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“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest

Would you Distort or manifest EGO?

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Nottheunmaker said:
Boy people are quick to play god once they get some power. Sure, let's start erasing memories because it's more convenient for us.
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Do you have a better offer? Rumours aren't going to go away just because they're unfounded, and they will continue to weigh on Hitomi even if she knows for sure it's not her fault. And the erasing of memories happens all the time anyway, so it doesn't mean it's something significant. These are not some important memories for these people anyway.
 
In regards to moving school, we shall leave that up to Hitomi and her parents to discuss. It's not that simple to deal with, from the pov of the parents (moving work, etc), and Hitomi herself too. Even then still, it's not something for us to decide for them.

Our goal here is to inform her parents and herself of the situation and what happened. Apologize for the troubles she suffered, and advise them on how to help Hitomi recover from it as a family.

The situation with the school is something for the parents to bring up with the school itself, and for Hitomi's friends to help her out.

One thing we could actually do to help Hitomi out if she does want to stay here instead of moving school is to ask for the assistance of both Argalia and our kids on how to fool people and dispel the rumor that Hitomi is a drug addict.

Because if there's anyone who knows how to manipulate people well, it's Argalia. Well, Ayin and Carmen can also help, but they avoid X like they avoid child support.

Rumors kind of fall flat on their face once someone "convincing" tell you otherwise, especially when it's with kids.
 
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Nottheunmaker said:
I did. Move schools.
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Because of course, there is no chance that these rumors will not follow her to another school, mutating even more. Not to mention that she will leave her friends behind. I knew a similar story in real life, and the girl ended up committing suicide. And it was in the capital, not in a small town like Mitakihara. Nothing but maybe moving to another city isn't going to help.

questioningmeme said:
In regards to moving school, we shall leave that up to Hitomi and her parents to discuss. It's not that simple to deal with, from the pov of the parents (moving work, etc), and Hitomi herself too. Even then still, it's not something for us to decide for them.

Our goal here is to inform her parents and herself of the situation and what happened. Apologize for the troubles she suffered, and advise them on how to help Hitomi recover from it as a family.

The situation with the school is something for the parents to bring up with the school itself, and for Hitomi's friends to help her out.

One thing we could actually do to help Hitomi out if she does want to stay here instead of moving school is to ask for the assistance of both Argalia and our kids on how to fool people and dispel the rumor that Hitomi is a drug addict.

Because if there's anyone who knows how to manipulate people well, it's Argalia. Well, Ayin and Carmen can also help, but they avoid X like they avoid child support.

Rumors kind of fall flat on their face once someone "convincing" tell you otherwise, especially when it's with kids.
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I really doubt this will help. You will need to completely flip the story, making your narrative more compelling, and even then the trail of past rumours will remain, no matter what. This can affect not just her studies, but even her job prospects. Not to mention the damage it did to her parents' reputation. This is all the more terrible in traditionalist societies like Japan.
 
Still, Memory erasure is on a level of invasiveness X never really had to do before.

We can either ask Kyubey to do it, which is a huge favor from his side, given that the rumors aren't really threatening the ferret. While having X do it herself will...well, Carmen will have a lot more people to play with.

I don't like it.
Purposefully and forcibly changing people's memories against their will is something Pre-Enlightenment Ayin would do.

And Dad's whole life work can be summed up as "Do as I say not as I do."

I'll still support trying to change their opinion of Hitomi first or explore some kind of less evil avenue before going after the dear old dad's special method of memory erasure.
 
questioningmeme said:
Eh it's unlikely for it to be Carmen.

That tone is more like Madoka.
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I'm pretty sure it quite literally is Madoka, specifically her E.G.O.-fueled/Distorted side, the Agnus Principle, judging by the color of the text. It's likely bleeding over from either another timeline or the future due to Madoka's status as the central point of Homura's time-loop and the massively increased karmic weight, or whatever Kyubey called it, that it gives her.
 
Eternal_0bserver said:
After all, Kyubey is not a rebellious teenager, the kind who tries to do everything against the wishes of their parents.
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He's not, but he's not our friend either, wouldn't count on him using any of his precious energy for something that little, it's not like she's dying or anything, so it isn't important, right? 人◕ ‿‿ ◕人

Nottheunmaker said:
I did. Move schools.
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Not gonna work that easily, besides the rumors possibly following her on their own, that's still a lot of attention on her for being a transfer student, in Japan, people will wonder why she did it and find the *reason*, then we're back to square one but this time she doesn't have her friends to help her not being bullied to the point of suicide (and yes, it can absolutely reach this point, Japan is very bad on that kind of things.).
 
Maybe don't erase the memories but... muddle them a little?
Or maybe create a fake reason?
All it would need is a little nudge.
"Hitomi isn't the type of person to take drugs, she must have been kidnapped!"
It's not even that evil.
The human mind is wonderful at creating assumptions on it's own, this one's just... a little guided.
 
Again. Just do small steps first before we use mind controls and memory manipulation on highschool kids.

Just because they doesn't know any better doesn't mean that they deserve no chances.

The whole point of X's existence is to believe in the better side of people and that one can change, and the the hopeless cycle can be broken.

If normal talks don't work, we can pull out the evil stuffs. But I don't want to set an example to the girls where we escalate things too quickly.
 
questioningmeme said:
Still, Memory erasure is on a level of invasiveness X never really had to do before.

We can either ask Kyubey to do it, which is a huge favor from his side, given that the rumors aren't really threatening the ferret. While having X do it herself will...well, Carmen will have a lot more people to play with.

I don't like it.
Purposefully and forcibly changing people's memories against their will is something Pre-Enlightenment Ayin would do.

And Dad's whole life work can be summed up as "Do as I say not as I do."

I'll still support trying to change their opinion of Hitomi first or explore some kind of less evil avenue before going after the dear old dad's special method of memory erasure.
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But we already did that, didn't we? The moment we left Big Bird's victims to be taken care of by the Incubators, we expected them to wipe their memory. Yes, you could say the initiative didn't come from X, but she was fine with it, so the difference is semantic at best. And why is this something bad? No one gets hurt if they forget some of the rumours, and it will not only save Hitomi's reputation but her parents as well. Because the harm caused by such rumours is incredibly painful, even when all people know that this is a lie.

Nyarky said:
He's not, but he's not our friend either, wouldn't count on him using any of his precious energy for something that little, it's not like she's dying or anything, so it isn't important, right? 人◕ ‿‿ ◕人
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We are currently collaborating to combat Abnormalities and I don't think this is a significant request - it's basically something Incubators have to do all the time though.

Seams of Reality said:
Maybe don't erase the memories but... muddle them a little?
Or maybe create a fake reason?
All it would need is a little nudge.
"Hitomi isn't the type of person to take drugs, she must have been kidnapped!"
It's not even that evil.
The human mind is wonderful at creating assumptions on it's own, this one's just... a little guided.
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It sounds overly complicated, but it probably works too.
 
Seams of Reality said:
Maybe don't erase the memories but... muddle them a little?
Or maybe create a fake reason?
All it would need is a little nudge.
"Hitomi isn't the type of person to take drugs, she must have been kidnapped!"
It's not even that evil.
The human mind is wonderful at creating assumptions on it's own, this one's just... a little guided.
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You don't even need mind control for that, just some social engineering, we're just too much of a hermit to do it easily alone, but her parents may very well be able to when knowing the real reason, they probably aren't as effective right now because they don't even know what happened.

Eternal_0bserver said:
We are currently collaborating to combat Abnormalities and I don't think this is a significant request - it's basically something Incubators have to do all the time though.
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They always do it right after the event happens though, which is why I am very unsure of if they would be willing to do it there, when it is already days past, they might simply not see it as something that would help Hitomi, they might actually be banking on it being stressful for her and thus putting pressure on Madoka in a way that he can easily say is not his fault, remember, Kyubey is perfectly willing to backstab us tomorrow if it helps him more at the moment, then go back to working with us as if nothing happened if that helps him after, he doesn't do grudges, but nor does he does trust.
 
Lepidoptera said:
The raven-haired girl sat unnaturally still on one of the many chairs Madoka kept in her room. At least those were finally getting some use. It wasn't as though she had intended to collect so many, but there had been so many interesting designs!
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I don't even know what this is referring to, but I'm going to guess it's another of those weird things they put in the anime because why not. In that case, I can only applaud your courage in trying to come up with a believable explanation for the infamous Mitakiharan aesthetic, lol

Regarding Hitomi, the worst part is, she's likely aware that her friend group knows something about what happened to her, but isn't telling her for some reason. Which, I'm pretty sure, doesn't feel good at all. Really ought to tell her at least, regardless of our decision about her parents.
 
diplomacy said:
I don't even know what this is referring to
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Here's some pictures of Madoka's room:






While searching for them, I learned that they are apparently a reference to Bokurano, which:


By the way, as someone who read Bokurano, my *favorite* chair is the baby crib, those that knows why it's there should understand why I find it the biggest gut punch of them all.
 
Nyarky said:
You don't even need mind control for that, just some social engineering, we're just too much of a hermit to do it easily alone, but her parents may very well be able to when knowing the real reason, they probably aren't as effective right now because they don't even know what happened.
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It's not how it usually works in the real world, you know. People are far more likely to blame, all other things being equal than to make excuses, and you need a level of social skill that's not unlike mind control to completely undo the harm. As for Hitomi's parents, it must have affected them just as seriously.

... Sigh, you might think I'm being too harsh on this, but I've witnessed a story like this, and it's a really bad memory.
Okay, we're probably too hasty with this discussion. Let's hear from Hitomi's parents first, but I insist that when we talk to them, we mention this as one of the solutions to the problem.

Nyarky said:
They always do it right after the event happens though, which is why I am very unsure of if they would be willing to do it there, when it is already days past, they might simply not see it as something that would help Hitomi, they might actually be banking on it being stressful for her and thus putting pressure on Madoka in a way that he can easily say is not his fault, remember, Kyubey is perfectly willing to backstab us tomorrow if it helps him more at the moment, then go back to working with us as if nothing happened if that helps him after, he doesn't do grudges, but nor does he does trust.
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The Incubators certainly know that they cannot count on renewed cooperation if they directly oppose X's interests. As for the scope of work, it doesn't hurt to ask anyway.
 
Eternal_0bserver said:
It's not how it usually works in the real world, you know. People are far more likely to blame, all other things being equal than to make excuses, and you need a level of social skill that's not unlike mind control to completely undo the harm. As for Hitomi's parents, it must have affected them just as seriously.
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I didn't say it would be easy, and it unfortunately is probably too late to shape the narrative, but Argalia is a very charismatic individual, as in, *convinced a cult leader to join his cult* level of charismatic, so he might be able to manipulate things.

Eternal_0bserver said:
... Sigh, you might think I'm being too harsh on this, but I've witnessed a story like this, and it's a really bad memory.
Okay, we're probably too hasty with this discussion. Let's hear from Hitomi's parents first, but I insist that when we talk to them, we mention this as one of the solutions to the problem.
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I do not think you are too harsh, I never had anything reach that point but I did learn about suicides due to bullying happening, and this is the kind of cases that leads to it from what I know.

You're right that we should see Hitomi's parents first anyway, that's what we're going to discuss with Madoka, they are a big uknown in the equation and how they are taking it will shape how we're helping a lot.

Eternal_0bserver said:
The Incubators certainly know that they cannot count on renewed cooperation if they directly oppose X's interests.
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The incubators were perfectly happy telling Madoka how to shoot them in the head while giving her a gun with how they acted in the anime, do not assume them to understand the consequences of their actions as soon as any emotions is involved, they don't keep grudges themselves and won't think we would keep one.
 
Seams of Reality said:
Well, I guess we really do gotta collect them all don't we.
I guess just... swoop in to get her too?
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Problems: X doesn't know she exist, Homura may or may not be hostile to her depending of if you go for the interpretation of her first manga being a precog vision she had or not, and most of the time she works as a complete unknown that doesn't even get close to the canon cast.
 
Mainly because trying to predict the movement of X is a dumb thing or something.

Due to how wacky time shenanigans are once you go for the "deities" abnormalities like ABird and Wnight.

I imagine Oriko just saw DoSaM and decided to "Nope" out of there.
 
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