Would you Distort or manifest EGO?


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The problem is an idea cannot die. Yes, you might kill an idea for a year, a few decades. But eventually, as long as one man start thinking about this idea again, the idea will come back, thus you cannot kill an idea If you cannot kill every single human that still have a functioning brain. Or you scrapped the idea out of the river of humanity forever, which is something that you cannot do unless you can just go into the root of humanity and Gouge it out.
So as long as one human lives, you cannot kill an Abnormality permanently.
They would just revive after a few days, a few seconds, a few years, whatever. Just like how they act in the game.
Example, you can stop fraud from happening. But fraud, as an idea still lingers in collective conscious, you cannot kill fraud as a concept. So fraud will happen sooner or later again.
 
Do trees count as lances?
Lol, Romulus's own weapon is the concept of the trees that he and his brother cut down to build the first part of Rome. Or something. It basically turns into a massive fuckhuge tree when he deploys it.

That aside, is "sister" how X honestly thinks about Angela, or is she going to have hammer out how she feels about her semi-hostile robot assistant as she's coming face to face with her once more? Because oh boy are there going to be some complex feelings from Angela alone already.

Basing her new life upon Kali and not looking like Ayin at all can only help, but Angela is very well aware of everything she went through and hurled at our favorite clone over the course of the Script. I think that in lore, every time Day 1 comes around again, it's canonically a brand new X; but from the perspective of the players, and with how this is being played, an X can loop around back to Day 1 many many times, and only gets "replaced" with a fresh, inexperienced one upon either giving up or going insane/getting killed.

The point being that our X got fairly sick of TT2 but kept going, meaning she had a lot of time to spend with Angela who would obviously follow the Script into treating X as a total stranger for half of the time, and then as her most 'beloved'(read 'hated') creator the other half.
 
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The concept of killing a concept is just so...stupid? Insane?

Something similar to concept killing in recent memory is Chainsawman's deleting the object of fears if said fear is killed permanently.

Does [ ] killing concepts affect multiple timelines and multiverses?
No. Straight up no. While abnormalities are strong, Beasts are too much. The only one similar to them are the pinnacle damage Abnormalities.

Most Alephs cannot reach that level. They are too hyperspecialized and lacks timeline level area of damaging attacks.
 
Unfortunately there are methods to conceptually gouge them out in the fate series
It just is very rare
Not to mention difficult beyond measure
Like a very rare and expensive scalpel

Another note though
Nothing there would be a beast candidate due to love of humanity
Any abnormality with benevolent intentions would
Keyword is candidate though
Koyaskya didn't go beast until the last encounter meaning few if any of the candidates would acheive beasthood
 
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I might just put the birds up there, but they don't love humanity, they only love their forest.
Melting love is good enough to be a candidate.
mountain of smiling bodies can be a Candidate because they love humanities flesh.
White night, obviously.
Blue star for their love of humanity for their worship and wish to give them a Swift death/Salvation
The army in black can be a candidate, but it's a stretch.
Censored will not be a candidate.
Not sure about silent orchestra, but if mozart can be a beast candidate because his love for humanitys music than he can.
 
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[CENSORED] is the manifestation of the 18+ scenes that got cut out of Realta Nua.

That aside, is "sister" how X honestly thinks about Angela, or is she going to have hammer out how she feels about her semi-hostile robot assistant as she's coming face to face with her once more?
Deciding how to feel about Angela was one of the first votes in the quest.

I think it'll go fine since apparently X wasn't even that invested in the Seed of Light project.
 
Wait? Abnormalities have concept of death? Isn't their wholestick is they can't die, always respawn upon killed?

They can die, they just resurect, which means that of course Shiki can kill them, there's nothing stopping it in the first place.

Now, the only one I can see making it stick is the one with root access, since they could also remove the very concept that gave birth to the abnormality, but they wouldn't do that, that requires acting, too much effort.

That aside, is "sister" how X honestly thinks about Angela, or is she going to have hammer out how she feels about her semi-hostile robot assistant as she's coming face to face with her once more?

I think X did refer to Angela as sister in one update in her thoughts, we also voted to have a positive view of her in the very first vote.

Does [ ] killing concepts affect multiple timelines and multiverses?

Yes, they have access to the root, which, as the name implies, is the root of everything, the common part of the whole nasu mutliverse, if they prune the concept here, the idea is definitely completely gone, since it is also an atemporal thing from what I remember, they definitely can remove it from the past and present at least.
 
I wonder if Angela will mention / X will ask about the mentality of the former X's in this conversation?
It would be an interesting conversation, certainly. The very nature of the plot establishes that there have been many Xs, enough to cover roughly ten thousand years worth of looped time. That's 3.65 million days, and not a single one of them managed to clear the Sephirah Meltdowns(unless they're also reset once a new X comes in). But basically, however many days each X went through, the X is the only one to have made it all the way to Day 50. Hell, Day 48. Failing from that point on has Consequences™.

Does [ ] killing concepts affect multiple timelines and multiverses?
We don't know, basically because [ ] has never met a situation terrible enough to necessitate such an act. Chainsaw Man is somewhat cavalier about the concept because what gets shredded are largely bad things like atom bombs and eldritch abominations, but [ ] limits herself to killing an iteration of a concept, rather than the concept itself. A future, rather than the future. There's the theoretical possibility that such an act could be accomplished, but it could basically be compared to a cardinal sin for the Swirl of Existence to willingly excise something out of itself and the Akashic Records.
Unfortunately there are methods to conceptually gouge them out in the fate series
It just is very rare
Not to mention difficult beyond measure
Like a very rare and expensive scalpel

Another note though
Nothing there would be a beast candidate due to love of humanity
Any abnormality with benevolent intentions would
Keyword is candidate though
Koyaskya didn't go beast until the last encounter meaning few if any of the candidates would acheive beasthood
I might just put the birds up there, but they don't love humanity, they only love their forest.
Melting love is good enough to be a candidate.
mountain of smiling bodies can be a Candidate because they love humanities flesh.
White night, obviously.
Blue star for their love of humanity for their worship and wish to give them a Swift death/Salvation
The army in black can be a candidate, but it's a stretch.
Censored will not be a candidate.
Not sure about silent orchestra, but if mozart can be a beast candidate because its love for humanitys music than he can.
Okay, no. WhiteNight. That, I can agree with, but he's the only one. …maybe Blue Star. All the others would mostly fall into categories like Phantasmal or Divine Beasts, or Divine Spirits. Beast Class is an entire league of its own.

On a very basic level, a requirement for Beasts is to have a desire to improve Humanity, a love for us that drives them to action. An entity can rise up to a level capable of wiping out a fucking planet(looking at you Vortigern), but without a drive to do something for the sake of Humanity and Humanity alone, the Beast Class is out of reach.

Now, this love obviously never equates to good things. Goetia pitied us for our mortality, so sought to start over without it. Kiara thinks of herself as the only human, so everything she does for herself is for "Humanity". And so on. Melting Love, Silent Orchestra, the Black Forest Birds, what they do is ultimately driven by their own desires. Mountain almost isn't even sentient, and Nothing There wants to become human rather than do nice things for them. The reality is that almost all ALEPHs are innately and inherently selfish, thinking of themselves and their desires first and foremost.

And, Mozart is a Demon Pillar candidate, not a Beast. Not sure how you mixed that one up, but understandable. The reason he doesn't become a Demon Pillar in Orleans is mostly because of his love for Marie.
 
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We don't know, basically because [ ] has never met a situation terrible enough to necessitate such an act. Chainsaw Man is somewhat cavalier about the concept because what gets shredded are largely bad things like atom bombs and eldritch abominations, but [ ] limits herself to killing an iteration of a concept, rather than the concept itself. A future, rather than the future. There's the theoretical possibility that such an act could be accomplished, but it could basically be compared to a cardinal sin for the Swirl of Existence to willingly excise something out of itself and the Akashic Records.
Yeah, that's more reasonable.

Killing a Concept itself is a huge, huge deal.
 
I dunno, the birds seem like an obvious fit for Beast. You know, given that Apocalypse Bird is literally called that, and has benign intentions towards its charges.

Admittedly, I don't know anything about FGO, so I could be misunderstanding this.
 
.... technically a candidate as long as a human dwelled in the forest
Big bird would probably be the driving force in this case since he's like koyaskaya a love for all beings that drives him to 'save' them
He'd be the primary candidate piece
 
A FSN cross...
I don't know much about FSN except by osmosis, but depending on how you introduce X to the setting, you might have to consider how the top level beings in Fate Universe would react: Gaia/Alaya, Dead Apostles and the associated nonsense etc.

(Note: In this setting it is unlikely most Alephs or even a Pinnacle can outright destroy the planet)

It'd probably be easier to introduce X as someone who made a deal with Alaya and became a Counter Guardian or something?

Thing is, the City's Singularities would definitely scream of Mystery, or even True Magic (except Singularities don't get more powerful based on age) to Magus, and Magus as a whole are the type to take notes from the City lol

E: I wonder if Angra Mainyu counts as a discount Abnormality?

E2: I have absolutely no idea how the SoL fits in this setting, maybe make it in this context the Wish X wanted to make?

E3: X as a Ruler makes quite a bit of sense: True Name Discernment = Lobotomy, God's Resolution = physically manifested Order, and Magic Resistance is probably just being an Abnormality. No desire for the Grail would make sense given the SoL is already completed, and X hasn't had enough experience to really have Wishes to make
 
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We don't know, basically because [ ] has never met a situation terrible enough to necessitate such an act.

Also, it's effort, too tiring, don't wanna.

Seriously, it takes a lot to just make them get out to have a calm conversation, don't see them do more.

Thing is, the City's Singularities would definitely scream of Mystery, or even True Magic (except Singularities don't get more powerful based on age)

The singularities cannot be true magic, true magic is defined by being something that science cannot do (yet) and the entire point of singularities is that they are science.
 
I guess singularity would still be an apt term if nothing else because true agic is to magecraft what singularities are to science
 
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SIngularities would fuck over true magic hard due to how they work.

No. Even normal magic would get butt fucked hard due to how Singularities work.

Doesn't magic get weaker the stronger and more widespread science gets last I remembered? Hell. What the heck would L-Corp do to most magic? L-Corp technology is so much beyond even other Singularities.
 
Doesn't magic get weaker the stronger and more widespread science gets last I remembered? Hell. What the heck would L-Corp do to most magic? L-Corp technology is so much beyond even other Singularities.
Close but Magic gets weaker due to the "Mystery" behind the technique being more known which corresponds to the advance of technology in certain fields. Like say an Age of Gods magician cracked the secret to flight, he doesn't share the knowledge that much behind perhaps a small circle of trusted peers as to not make the Magic less potent. However, due to the advancement that created planes of the modern era, the knowledge of flight became easier to understand it weakens the flight magic to nonexistence. Basically, Nasuverse magic relies on the famous quote "A Magician never reveals its secrets" as when more people know about the trick behind the technique, the wondrous sense "magic" around it is gone from the eyes of the bearer
 
I would say that only in the city that magic will be weak, even when you're only in the outskirts, there will be magic energy around.
Because the entire world is engulfed in a mystery now, that people in the city only knows the city itself.
they know nothing about outside the walls of the city, other then the outskirts
Ruin explorers are a real job in the city. Roland bad end told us that
 
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There is also the fact that Pluto just found some magic in the Ruins, didn't he? He isn't just a Distortion but has actual fuckery.

Apparently the Ruins is some incomprehensible level of more dangerous and arcane than the City.
 
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