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It also depends on whether Hokma and Binah accepted Roland's advice of telling everyone about X's existence.
“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest
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[X] "Oh. I will admit, I was expecting that to take longer."
I wonder about the nature of Homura's magic pulling us back to Mitakihara. While it is implied in PMMM that timeline jumping is what her rewind magic actually does, that feels a bit boring if applied to X. Is she trying to rewind time on X's state to before the NT and DoSaM breach? That would reset X's position. But perhaps X will keep her memories in the same manner as White Night.
I wonder about the nature of Homura's magic pulling us back to Mitakihara. While it is implied in PMMM that timeline jumping is what her rewind magic actually does, that feels a bit boring if applied to X. Is she trying to rewind time on X's state to before the NT and DoSaM breach? That would reset X's position. But perhaps X will keep her memories in the same manner as White Night.
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I recommend Mirinae with 3x Will of the City, 3x Augury Kick, 3x Unyielding Strike.
Huh, where in PMMM does anyone say that?
That would mean Homura jumped through, like, a hundred Earths and each of them got destroyed by a progressively bigger Gretchen. Not only is that very depressing, it also doesn't make sense in terms of conservation of karmic potential. Why'd Madoka keep getting more energy then?
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Is it what I think it is? Time to make Angela jealous?
So Homura tried to turn back time and we said: *no*, and won that part.
…Define okay?
We need to have some therapy sessions about that, might as well take Madoka with us too, since she has the same problem.
Hmm, which would leads to the most awkward situation?
Though I really want to guarantee talking to Angela too.
At least we got this, that's good news!
So it's a pure fluff vote and we are only deciding which side of the conversation we hear fist. No problem, it means I can vote for the one I want without fear.
Blue star: *Hey! What am I, chopped liver?*
Interviews, or supplemental material, one of the two.
But it is canon for sure.
[X] "Uh, Angela? I think they're awake. Just a hunch."
Lurker183839
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Wasn't the Dimensional Walls implied to be eroded by Homura's Time Travel (which means in turn that it's true Time Travel, as if it were merely timeline jumping the "twisting and folding" wouldn't be mentioned)
It's possible either way the other will show up, but it's technically not guaranteed at all
I'm pretty sure that implies the opposite? (The current vote is: 1 person is at the door now, who?)
It's possible either way the other will show up, but it's technically not guaranteed at all
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questioningmeme
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Kalibrius
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Karma.....
Have any of you played Labyrinth of Refrain or any of Nippon Ichi's games? Another would be Wildbow's stories Pact and Pale
There's also various eastern religions to note
All interesting depictions of karma
It's an interesting case study especially refrain
Karma doesn't simply disappear it can affect others and even follow you beyond the grave to the next life and in refrain is tangible enough to be offloaded on others
That karma didn't disappear because the one perpetrating it didn't
Homura herself, acting as a string gathering bigger and bigger beads until we got
THIS MESS
in short, it ain't gonna disappear till the scales are balanced
and it ain't disapearing anytime soon
Have any of you played Labyrinth of Refrain or any of Nippon Ichi's games? Another would be Wildbow's stories Pact and Pale
There's also various eastern religions to note
All interesting depictions of karma
It's an interesting case study especially refrain
Karma doesn't simply disappear it can affect others and even follow you beyond the grave to the next life and in refrain is tangible enough to be offloaded on others
That karma didn't disappear because the one perpetrating it didn't
Homura herself, acting as a string gathering bigger and bigger beads until we got
THIS MESS
in short, it ain't gonna disappear till the scales are balanced
and it ain't disapearing anytime soon
...I have no words for how mind-bogglingly stupid this is. Apparently Homura's the ultimate villain of PMMM, since, you know, she killed six hundred billion people, and the correct thing to do was to shoot herself at the end of the third loop. Imagine thinking Rebellion is important after this.
I think I'll be safely ignoring this little piece of, uh, "lore".
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I personally don't believe it. I don't really remember there being any interview or supplemental materials mentioning it.
So it's probably just Nyarky misremembering.
Otherwise, just assume that the author of those interviews/supplements has no idea what the hell they are talking about.
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Easiest way to justify it would be that
1: QB knows what they are doing and has seen similar things before
2: If it actually were timeline jumping, QB could mention it to break Homura in an easier manner (if nothing else, "from your very first loop you were now eternally barred from the Madoka that you wanted to save and protect")
3: QB did not say that, instead opting for the Potential speech, so it's not
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Kalibrius
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She isn't a villain
But then in a tragedy very few are true villains
All just fools who make costly mistakes
Homuras are bigger than others but even still she's emotionally stunted, a child in the deep end, and ultimately doing the only thing left she believes is remotely right
A road to hell but as can be seen
She became the queen of it all for the one she cares beyond even herself
But then in a tragedy very few are true villains
All just fools who make costly mistakes
Homuras are bigger than others but even still she's emotionally stunted, a child in the deep end, and ultimately doing the only thing left she believes is remotely right
A road to hell but as can be seen
She became the queen of it all for the one she cares beyond even herself
It's definitely canon since Magia Record, I can confidently state that.
And it makes sense from the perspective that adding karmic lines to Madoka to grow her potential would make no sense if it wasn't true. If you unmake a world through time travel, it doesn't add more weight to something, unless what connects is something still real.
Also, Wraith Arc Homura literally travelled back into a world that still has Gretchen in it after it ate humanity, so. That's pretty convincing. Thank the manga and canon.
Wraiths are also the universe itself acting as an immune system after Witch system was nixed, so cosmic horror aspects in PMMM are common.
No, what the QM said means that what's happening is this:
Roland: "Uh, Angela? I think they're awake. Just a hunch."
Angela: "Oh. I will admit, I was expecting that to take longer."
And we are deciding which part we are hearing first (I say first because we'll probably hear Angela's part too if we choose Roland), it's a conversation, we are only choosing which of the participants is closer to the door, they're both there in any case.
Ok, back to that:
If you want signs of it from the show itself, episode 10 shows an Oktavia who has familiars playing the guitar instead of the violin, meaning that Kyoujibo is not playing the same instrument there, which is a change that cannot have been due to Homura's actions, so it has to be a parallel timeline.
For the karma:
One, not all the earths will have ended up with a gretchen, since Madoka can very well have died before it happened.
Two, the way it works is that Homura is attaching karma of the olds Madoka's to the *new one*, it doesn't need them to be alive because Karma doesn't care about that. Kalibrius just explained it so look at their post for more.
The original show was written by Urobuchi, I am afraid its terminal.
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Ah, I see...
I get it, I get it.
Souls are multiversal, it is the same Madoka in all timelines.
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Oh, and Homura leaving doesn't means the old world disappear, it continues on without her.
Lurker183839
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By the logic wouldn't Sayaka and co have increased Potential too?
As for changes between Loops, who knows what effects Madoka's innumerable Wishes had on things (especially that timeline where people know of her abilities)
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How the fuck does that work?
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Well
Who said they didn't?
Assuming the karma centers on homura and spills over by bond in 'closeness' value the amount of jarma in order of greatest to least would be
Homura
Madoka
Oddly enough Oriko due to the amount of hate homura has for her and how she kills her each time
Sayaka
Mami
Kyoko
Yuma
Kuro
List goes on
And how it can be the same soul..... well if particles can entangle, concepts can entangle, then most likely souls can too
Who said they didn't?
Assuming the karma centers on homura and spills over by bond in 'closeness' value the amount of jarma in order of greatest to least would be
Homura
Madoka
Oddly enough Oriko due to the amount of hate homura has for her and how she kills her each time
Sayaka
Mami
Kyoko
Yuma
Kuro
List goes on
And how it can be the same soul..... well if particles can entangle, concepts can entangle, then most likely souls can too
Lurker183839
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Things are probably like this:
Quotes fit as back an forth -> implies both characters are at the door, we're voting who goes first
QM: Actually, that's coincidence, and something I should have corrected
You are currently voting on who turns up at the door.
(This does not necessarily preclude interactions with the others though, but that is up to the QM)
Sayaka couldn't wish in the first loop and could after, so, yes, yes it was the case.
Ask Madokami, she's the one that knows the details past ascension.
More seriously, it's simple: the soul of a person is a multiversal object that define who is *them* in all universe, the soul you see when in a universe is a part of that global soul that is interacting with this particular universe.