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Apocalypse Bird speculation
I see I am but one of the many who stretch the boundaries of reasonable speculation in the abyss.

Though, I kinda want to acquire Twilight in a peaceful way, if possible. There has been talk of seeing whether Abnormalities can change wrt Nothing There, but I find the birds to be better candidates for such experiments. There is, after all, a big, scary beast coming in the future, a bunch of them in fact. I wonder if Apocalypse Bird's narrative can be shifted in a more fundamental way than X's awkward child-friendly edition she told to Yuma.

Also I can't help but note that the Abnormality we ignored in favor of Hitomi was probably Big Bird. If we had gone after him instead, I feel we would have been able to communicate with him. Maybe the reason he only showed up at night was because he was holding off on "saving" people up to that point, but lost patience. Not that going after Hitomi was the wrong choice, mind you.
 
Just finished reading Wonderland, and doesn't Catt seem like a more complete (for a given value of the term) version of Kyouko despite their differing backgrounds?
Whether that is a good thing is up to you, though
 
I would have thought the Cult of Ayin would proclaim Lady Carmen as Best Girl, because Sir Ayin has incredibly good taste. Is that... not the case?
Unofficially, all the members of the Ayin Fan Club agree that Lady Carmen is the #1 Best Girl.

However, officially, the cul- I mean, fan club founder, the Great Hokma, decreed that Sir Ayin is to be both the #1 Best Girl and Boy, at the same time. It's a bit weird, but us cult members- I mean, fellow fans, don't judge the old man.

There is, after all, a big, scary beast coming in the future, a bunch of them in fact. I wonder if Apocalypse Bird's narrative can be shifted in a more fundamental way than X's awkward child-friendly edition she told to Yuma.
The problem with this is, Apocalypse Bird is THE BEAST for a reason.

Its judgment is SUPREMELY unfair because it can judge even the smallest sin. It's only capable of dealing out DEATH as punishment because the once small beak has become a gaping mouth that can devour all evil-doers. Its eyes are capable of observing all activities, allowing none to hide from its rule.

The best we hope for in regards to A Bird is that the collateral won't be too bad once it's fighting something.

Of course, given that A Bird is vulnerable to white damage, I wouldn't be surprised if X manages to find a way to pacify it and obtain the happy ending as you said. But we probably shouldn't rely on that unknown factor when dealing with something that can kill the entire town of Mitakihara in a single attack.
 
Don't get me wrong, I think we can change the 3 Birds. As they are less...volatile and unchanging than A Bird.

Small Beak doesn't instantly kill you unless you fight back. Many Eyes...is just stupid. The Judge actually seems to feel guilt and shame for what he was doing before (But he didn't change his behavior).

They are probably all way more reasonable to be "redeemed". Like snowballs rolling down the hill that haven't yet grown too big.

A Bird is different. A Bird isn't a snowball that grows too big. A Bird is an avalanche that flattens the town.
 
Yeah, ultimately their goal is to Protect people. if we can show them that what they are doing is not protecting people but hurting them, they might stop what they're doing. But for that we need time and we need plans and we need resources to prepare for the worst situation.
which is A bird.
 
Change the variables, you change the equation
Tweety little nightmares edition is the equation
The tweety trio the variables
If enough of a change is made
There might be a chance
 
Though saying that.

We probably aren't gonna be able to even attempt that anytime soon.

Both P Bird and B Bird are currently stuck in their saplings...which by the way we don't even know if we can change.

J Bird is probably busy being bullied by the Adult who tells Lies right now. And to obtain that guy's Sapling, means we have to walk into the territory of an Abnormality that is AROUND the level of power of the Apocalypse Bird.
 
.....
Well
There's nothing saying we can't try talking to the abnormalities whose egos we have or simply talking at the saplings
Quantum entanglement and dimensional bridges and all that jazzy music
 
We should probably try that huh?

So far, we have only tested on the E.G.O of the stuff we have, but never actually directly talked to the Abnormality residing within our "Facility" itself.

We should try that after we finish with NT. With Knight of Despair first since I want that teleport spell.
 
I consider apocalypse birds aleph level is because of his raw strength, Alongside with whitenight, then NT, MOSB, Blue star ML, CENSORED, Pinks.
The adults aleph is more on trickery, False promises, ill intent and just lies, She can probably do something very powerful if she wants to, but she didn't because well... she wants to fuck with us.
 
I've listed that before my friend
The adult is like a shoddy bond villain turned fantasy archetype
His cruel streak and complexity addiction will be his weakness
Besides the oz crew we do have a back up if we find them
The jester
Nothing more dangerous to a schemer than a fearless fool
 
she wants to fuck with us.
Don't underestimate her ability to nuke the living Seed of Light out of you though. It's absurd how strong she can be when she decides to go serious, not funny.

Fortunately for us. She's more sadistic than efficient.

Nothing is more dangerous to a schemer than a fearless fool
Don't rely on the Jester of Nihilism to do anything to help you.

Whitenight is more likely to help us out than the Jester will. Plus, the Jester only pops up when shit is busy drowning the fan.

Generally speaking, outside of Nothing There and Army in Pinks. We shouldn't rely on any other Alephs to do X's job for her. They will probably make a bigger mess rather than actually dealing with the problem.
 
If we want to find the jester, we need to find the 4 MGs.
And he will do what she wants and they would not help anyone deliberately.
And she really doesn't care about greater goods, so don't expect he to listen to ayin about helping us.
 
Never said he would fix the problem
Merely provide us the oppurtunity to do so ourselves
He'd be the monkey wrench in the works
Especially if we provide a hound to keep on the right track like reddened buddy

It is the one thing lpbotomy corp never thought of doing really
Inter abnormality interactions of a benign nature
To give an example
Scp 682s encounter with the child that causes hostility
A complete uno reverse and child had a friend
 
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The Jester is far stronger than NT.

And also, has magic. NT ain't gonna keep any of EXODIA/BIG BAD Alephs in check.

NT is needed to not instantly die in a fight with them. And beside. Trying to recruit an EXODIA/BIG BAD Aleph is just a pain in the ass.

All of them are mega-collateral damage dealers. The Adult can nuke. The Jester can nuke. Whitenight can nuke. [CENSORED] literally nuke people by just having them look at him.

It's easier to just recruit the 5 Friends to beat the Adult, rather than trying to recruit the Jester. Hell.

The Jester is so much more different than X, it's gonna be difficult to even obtain its E.G.O. While the 5 friends are all much easier to obtain due to their connection with Chesed, Gebura, and Tiph.
 
1.6.7 - An End To Stillness
Chapter 70 - An End To Stillness

You mentally shake away the malaise. You're no stranger to being alone in things, and you wouldn't want a serial murderer as a companion anyways. Besides, you have Mami and Yuma. The person most uncomfortable with your true nature is you, not anybody else. Whether Nothing There will connect with your experience or not doesn't matter. As long as they are still willing to accept what you are, you don't need for there to be others "like you". In the Corporation, it wasn't the fact that you were the Manager that defined you. There had been many before the iteration that could be recognized as you first appeared. It was that you were the best Manager, that you knew better than anyone else how to guide people. And now, being an Abnormality won't be what defines you either. For better or worse, you are still the same person you once were. And you have more important things to focus on than your feelings right now.

Of note is the fact that you have an Abnormality in front of you who is both willing and able to communicate with you. There's no guarantee that they'll know what happened to your coworkers and employees after your dispersal, but Nothing There should at least remember how they reached this world.

"Speaking of voices," you try your best to transition naturally, "what ever happened to all my agents after I disappeared?" If Nothing There notices the hint of emotion breaking through your neutral tone, they don't comment on it. You take a seat on the bed, allowing yourself to assume a familiar posture. "I've been here for the past few days, ever since the Facility went down."

Nothing There dismisses the illusion of Kyoko and causally seats themselves in your lap before spreading out over the bed, leaving your legs pinned beneath them. It's not a fantastic position to be in, but by the time combat breaks out the two of you will probably have moved. For now, you can let them have this.

"After that weird light showed up, we all got let out." Nothing There says absently. "It was that lady nobody really liked who did it. Angela, do you remember her? She and the creepy lady fought your Agents for a while, but then they must have done something because I ended up in a new cell." The Abnormality's face seems almost wistful, thinking back in that moment. You're not exactly sure why being locked up would be a pleasant memory, but then again most people wouldn't have considered a second of your life as a "pleasant memory" and yet here you are. Abnormalities are just weird like that.

Humans are weird too, just not quite as much.

"I stayed there for a looong~ time until the Librarians started asking for my help in fights. I wasn't allowed to go out, but I could still feel all the feelings they were feeling. It was great!"

"Hold up. Librarians?" you interrupt. Nothing There stares at you incredulously before remembering you have zero context for what they're describing.

"Right, you don't know about the Library. The Angela lady made a big tree in the middle of where the Facility was and put all the Abnormalities there. She kept all the agents and the other people, too. Now they're called Librarians."

Internally, you sigh in relief. Angela had never shown any concern or care for your employees, so you had expected her to simply get rid of them once they were no longer needed for the plan. There was still the possibility that she was planning on doing that later and just needed the help for now, but there's no point dwelling in that right now.

"They'd invite people from out in City, and then fight them. There was probably a lot more stuff going on, but it didn't really matter so I didn't pay any attention to it."

Well, that's frustrating. Helpful, certainly, but not as helpful as it could've been. Knowing what your counterpart has been doing would have been preferable, but this isn't information you expected to receive easily anyways. At the very least the worst case scenario hasn't come to pass quite yet. You will need to confront Angela one day, although that relies on you ever finding a way back to the City. Something else to focus on later. For now, your question remains unanswered.

"How did you get from there to here?" you ask, sounding far more calm and controlled than you really are. Nothing There shifts slightly on top of you.

"It was really weird. I was in my room like always, when a nice person started talking. They told me they would be helping out a mutual friend, and that they wanted me to try and find them. After that, it was sorta like I had a door in the back of my thoughts. Or maybe a window? I dunno." The Abnormality shrugs, or at least does so as much as a person can while lying down. "Things went on like normal until the first Witch showed up. I killed it, obviously, but nothing really happened. I hadn't found you yet, so I kept trying new things until something worked. Eventually, I figured it out!" they declare proudly. "While a Witch was attacking, its Barrier showed up. When I killed it, I would just pop right back into my room. But if I ignored the Witch and just left through the exit, I could get to here!"

So somebody sent the Abnormalities here to help you in some way. That person set up a link from the Library where they were being contained to Mitakihara, and they've been able to use that link to come seek you out. Well, whoever that supposed "friend" of yours is, you really don't appreciate their assistance. By bringing the Abnormalities here where they can exist at full strength without anybody strong enough to deal with them, they've already gotten many people killed. If any of the more large-scale Alephs had made their way into this world instead of Nothing There, humanity as a whole might very well have been wiped out. While you might hope that Kyubey would step in and do something at that point, only a fool would depend on him for anything so important at this point. All you can do is hope the situation doesn't deteriorate much further.

Nothing There, either oblivious to or simply choosing to ignore your internal monologue, continues. "I ran into Kyoko right away! It was pretty surprising when I figured out she was still alive, but after that I came up with my plan pretty quickly. So I've been patrolling the area for a while now, hunting all the Magical Girls who showed up. I've mostly stayed as Kyoko, since my shell still isn't perfect yet." They sit up, practically pouting. "I would've just kept an eye on things until I was ready, but I got caught early. But that's fine! I should've remembered that I could never really hide from you."

"To be fair," you counter, "I was the one who assigned work with you. It would have been stranger if I didn't know when somebody had died."

"Well, everything you've told me has been helpful so far. There is only one more thing I'd like to talk to you about."

You tense. This is your last chance to resolve things without conflict. You're not typically one to shy away from a challenge, but you're also not particularly fond of unnecessary risks. Still, you cannot allow Nothing There to continue as it is now. Unless you can impart some semblance of empathy into the Aleph now, then the only way forwards is to fight. And that fight will be a brutal one indeed.

"I'll need you to get off my first, though." You say sternly despite Nothing There's pleading look. They reluctantly push themselves up and take a seat next to you.

"Alright, what is it?"

"I believe I may have a way to make you more human." you announce. Surprisingly, Nothing There doesn't seem much more enthused than they normally do. You suppose that if they believe they already have a way to reach humanity, then your offer is only just speeding up the process for them at this point.

"Awesome! You mean that thing you wanted to try on Kyoko to fix her memories? Yeah, you can go ahead!"

With the Abnormality's assent, you shift Lobotomy's focus towards Nothing There themself. Leaving behind the still-screaming Magical Girls, you reach into the abyss.

Unlike previous cases, Nothing There does not lose consciousness as Lobotomy activates. They remain fully aware, staring in awe at the curling tendrils of red that now fill the room. These too are distinctly different than what you have come to expect. The light that spills from Nothing There is not the radiant, immaterial flesh you have come to expect. It is coarse and thick, twisting with hungry life. The feelings stored within are changed as well. There is something distinctly off about each one, like a photo taken at slightly the wrong angle. This must be the difference between a human's mind and an Abnormality's.

You can see the very story Nothing There just told you, in all of its horrifying detail. Facing off against Ferris, Tido, and River in the Facility, everything in utter chaos. Being consumed by the Light, not as you were, and placed in a world perfectly suited for them. Their will following Geburah as she drives Mimicry through a man shrouded in black. The Library sent away, consigned to the Outskirts.

The real Kyoko Sakura, torn in half in a single strike without even a chance to cry out.

You.

A person who had offered Nothing There so many chances to see humans, to become human, back during your time as Manager. Who had given them this chance now, to be closer than they ever were before. Who knows humanity better than anyone else. Somebody strong, in the image of the woman who Nothing There admired above all others.

And none of it matters.

Because you recognize immediately that you can't change any of it.

Maybe it's a feature of Abnormalities, their alien psychology preventing you from interfering. Maybe it's just because they technically aren't human, and so the Light isn't intended to interact with them. Maybe it's a unique property of Nothing There, obscuring their true nature as always. Whatever the reason, you cannot modify anything about Nothing There's self.

"Didn't work, huh?" your counterpart says in a muted tone, noticing your disappointment despite your best efforts to hide it. "Don't be too sad. I'll just have to do this the hard way, like I expected."

"Yes, you're right."

You turn Lobotomy back towards the howling of the imprisoned Magical Girls. It's a surgical tool, a way to shape minds, not a messenger, but with some effort it will carry your intent well enough. You'd like to say that you're going to save them all. That you can defeat the monster that hurt them. But life is harsh, and for all that you've done you will not lie to people who have already been deceived so harshly. There is only one assurance you can offer now.

"This will all be over soon. Please be strong for me until then."

You have a duty to fulfill. No matter what it takes, you will not allow the innocent to suffer for your failings. Not when there is something that you can do to help them.

Time to find out exactly how close your body is to the real thing.

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[] Combat
-[] Tactics
[] Accept the offer You cannot abandon them to their fate. Not when they're there because of you.


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Big Bird's Sapling - Observation Level 2/3
Der Freischütz's Sapling - Observation Level 2/3
Porccubus' Sapling - Observation Level 2/3
Punishing Bird's Sapling - Observation Level 1/2
 
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OOOOOOH SHIIIIIITTTTTTT!!!!!!


View: https://youtu.be/pe3h62MrlPE

[] Plan: [FULL FRONTAL]
-[] Combat.
--[] Stall for more time. Hugs NT before telling her to stay put a bit so that you can "explain the situation" to the girls outside.
---[] While stalling for time have QB make a network between X, Mami, Sakaya, and Homura.
---[] Tell Homura to immediately stop time for the safety of everyone. Then have her bring all the girls into stopped time.
---[] Give the girls an abridged version of the current situation.
----[] Have Mami get Madoka and Yuma out of here and away from wherever we're fighting.
----[] Have Sayaka buff Homura, particularly, buff Homura's magical ability if possible, if not buff Homura's strength/speed/endurance. Once she is finished, tell her to escape with Mami, If asked why explain that purely physical attacks do not work on this thing. Also 37 magical girl body count.
-----[] Tell Homura to stop time if she believes it is necessary and whenever you tell her to and informs her of the Soul gems positions inside NT once you are in time stop. Then tell her to stop time once you are ready to attack.
------[] Attack NT on all the parts without the Gems inside them and try to save your energy for what comes next.
-------[] Once all the attacks are done. Release time stop.
--------[] Provided it hits NT and damages her enough, proceed to grab a hold of her now damaged body and pull all the soul gems out. Use everything at your disposal whenever needed. If the attacks are missed. Refer to the next step.
--------[] Attempt to obtain Kyoko's soul gem if she is damaged enough, then do the next step. If not possible, move to the next step.
--------[] Fight alongside Homura, use every tool at your disposal, and attempt to prevent damage to the Soul Gems, but prioritize Kyoko's soul gem first, all the other girls are secondary. Try to eliminate Nothing There while extracting the soul gems whenever possible.

Edit: Changed my plan to "Giving NT warmth"
 
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Mayhaps for talking first, we apologize to nothing there for our failure and promise to figure a way to make them human at a later time and what we are about to do then mention that mayhaps if someone made a wish on their behalf they could become human

At least we have confirmation on who is behind this
Carmen
The question then is what exactly is her plan for us
 
Flow is weird here, adding a comma after pleasant memory does NOT work though
memory, but then again most people wouldn't have considered a second of your life as a "pleasant memory" and yet here you are.

or simply ignoring to your
than they normally do are
something to you can do

So we lost the chance to delay further huh (could we try and get the Witch NT spawned from? Needle and haystack though)

Also, do the names in the chapter mean anything to you guys?
 
Carmen
The question then is what exactly is her plan for us
This is still uncertain.

Carmen isn't that nice. I still believe in Sir Ayin. The sheer incompetence when dealing with an inhuman creature has him written all over it.

EDIT: It's actually quite unlikely that it's Carmen too. Since NT confirmed for us that this happened AFTER the ending of LoR. And given that Carmen already went to get some groceries after the domestic violence session with Angela, this is probably Ayin.

Especially since this only happened after Ayin got released instead of before it.
 
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Kyoko right away! It was pretty surprising when I figured out she was still alive
The real Kyoko Sakura, torn in half in a single strike without even a chance to cry out
Strange. Unless NT just decided to attack Kyouko straight away?

Anyway, meme: Forcing NT to have to use a Wish power to fly is still a benefit - I don't think NT can multitask well enough to use multiple Wish Magic at the same time

(Also we can't stall for time any longer, the last sentence is too final for that IMO)
 
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