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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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I think it would be beneficial to have the bombers be separately targeted at either the transports or the mass conveyors, whichever they will fair better against. Without the strike craft, the enemy AA is only passable.
@Durin Are the bombers powerful and accurate enough to target and cripple the engines of the mass conveyors and transports?
@Durin Are the bombers powerful and accurate enough to target and cripple the engines of the mass conveyors and transports?
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
The BIG assumption is that we can do this, and do it without crippling losses.
- Location
- Berkeley
Didn't Durin say that it could be summoned in the void, not that it would?
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
the issue with this is that they are on the Battle Barges
- Location
- Berkeley
Just for clarification—based on our knowledge of their plans, do we expect their sorcerers to end up on the planet, or will they remain in the void?
- Location
- Australia
They have two choices: do it in the void or do it on the ground. Between our forces and Avernus', doing it on the ground would be suicide. If they're going to do it, they'll do it in the void.
Would it be worth taking catastrophic losses taking out the Battle Barges to prevent them summoning the First Circle Archangyl? Horatius fought one of the Second Circle so I'm hoping that'll give us some idea of the threat level a First Circle poses.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Why?
If they're good enough to do it quickly i.e. they can count all the people we kill as sacrifices.
Why wouldn't they do it on the ground?
As I recall I asked the power level of the Firsts and at least the one they intend to summon is a real big boy.
@Durin
1. So would First Circle Archangyels have similar names if not personalities to famous Imperials?
2. Do we know which Archangyel they intend to summon if they need too?
3. I recall you saying that this one is high exalted in power? Does that mean they intend to bring in the equivalent of An'ggrath/Kairos ect?
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- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
[X] Plan Against Expectations
-[X] Low- Make a fighting retreat from the orbitals as soon as the enemy gets into range, leaving your defences to cover the retreat. This will preserve your fleet and inflict some damage to the Abomination Fleet.
-[X] Above Dis: Bluff- Attempt to hold the voidspace above Dis until the Abomination Fleet makes play to take it. This is effectively a bluff to convince them to to take the voidspace above Dis.
-[X] Secundary: Light Forces- The Light forces will be kept back from the main battle and therefore not easy targets. - Attacking the Light forces will be challenging but will further cripple their anti-harassment capacities.
-[X] Primary: Main Fleet-This will be the main attack force and therefore the easiest target- This is the default option if you want to do as much fleet damage as possible.
-[X] Make subtle of the information that Ridcully has gained form the enemies plans- Medium bonus and small chance of them realising you have the plans.
Yeah. Not doing what they excpect. Hide us knowing in general strangeness.
-[X] Low- Make a fighting retreat from the orbitals as soon as the enemy gets into range, leaving your defences to cover the retreat. This will preserve your fleet and inflict some damage to the Abomination Fleet.
-[X] Above Dis: Bluff- Attempt to hold the voidspace above Dis until the Abomination Fleet makes play to take it. This is effectively a bluff to convince them to to take the voidspace above Dis.
-[X] Secundary: Light Forces- The Light forces will be kept back from the main battle and therefore not easy targets. - Attacking the Light forces will be challenging but will further cripple their anti-harassment capacities.
-[X] Primary: Main Fleet-This will be the main attack force and therefore the easiest target- This is the default option if you want to do as much fleet damage as possible.
-[X] Make subtle of the information that Ridcully has gained form the enemies plans- Medium bonus and small chance of them realising you have the plans.
Yeah. Not doing what they excpect. Hide us knowing in general strangeness.
- Location
- Asia
@Durin
1. How effective would this plan be according to our advisers ?
2. What level of leaders can we reasonably expect to target with this plan ?
2a. What would be the effect of taking out leaders from that level ?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Yeah that doesn't really answer my question, if they can do it on the ground near instantly due to counting the deaths of their soldiers as sacrifices why wouldn't they.
Demons of that level don't hang around for long without constant feeding and bringing it through is likely easier on Avernus due to Warptouched.
- Location
- Australia
A ritual of the kind to summon a First Circle is not some slapdash easy thing you can just throw bodies into, ESPECIALLY since it's not a Khornate ritual. It's the kind of thing that takes time, effort, and preparation. The sorcerers conducting the ritual will be dead before they can complete it.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Unless they can do it in advance and just unleash it when they need to.
It'd probably take more souls, but again if us killing their dudes counts towards that I don't think that's a problem.
Inefficient sure, but its a desperation move.
- Location
- Australia
This argument is nonsensical. If they do the ritual in advance, then that means they're doing the ritual in the void. You're supposed to be arguing about why they'd do the ritual on the ground.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Sigh.
Starting the ritual in the void and finishing it on the ground are not mutually exclusive in this situation, especially given the potential power boost they could get from finishing it on the ground (remember in the incursion, the demons were stronger than they would be ordinarily)
- Location
- Australia
I know that doing those things aren't mutually exclusive, it's just that I consider "do so much of the ritual in the void that ground assets won't affect it all" to be in the broader category of "doing the ritual in the void". If they spend any substantial amount of time doing the ritual on the ground they will perish before completing the ritual.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Or not.
While I'd hope that either we or Avernus would gank em, there's no guarantee of that happening, especially if they throw caution to the wind and just do it as fast as possible knowing they'll die anyway.
- Location
- Australia
They'd have much better odds of success doing it in the void, so that is where we should assume they'll do it. There are two paths available to us:
1. We don't attack their sorcerers. They will launch a ground assault, lose, and then successfully summon the First Circle Archangyl in the void.
2. We attack their sorcerers while we can. We take very heavy casualties but we at least have a chance of preventing the summoning.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Not yet.
Hopefully.
Remember its a desperation move, until we get to the second to last wave without dying we should assume they're not going to try for it, they don't want it to steal their thunder.
- Location
- Australia
Your logic is bad. One of two things will happen.
1. We survive to the second to last wave, then they summon the First Circle Archangyl.
2. We don't survive to the second to last wave.
Your "best case scenario" will only come about if they win and we die.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Or we assassinate the sorcerers.
We made those last hunters for a reason ya know and until they're needed for a ritual they're very likely to leave their battle barges and come down to the surface to support their brothers and the rest of the army...making it much easier to assassinate them...or just to shoot them with a macro cannon either works.
They're not there just to summon the thing its a last resort measure.
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