The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

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Doesn't that negate the whole point of bringing them to Avernus?

If we bring them here just to send them off to the guard then it's a waste of time.
We have plenty of capacity before we're full. I'm not sure why this is even a point of contention.

Also convincing 5 billion people to come to Avernus...hilarious.
Convincing? Very few of Avernus' original colonists were volunteers.
 
Let's simplify this discussion.

@Durin, how viable is it to buy people from Midgard or Dragon's Nest and bring them in to boost Avernus' population?
 
We have plenty of capacity before we're full. I'm not sure why this is even a point of contention.
We don't have that much room.

Convincing? Very few of Avernus' original colonists were volunteers.
And that was fine in the Imperium, times have changed as you should well remember.

@Durin, how viable is it to buy people from Midgard or Dragon's Nest and bring them in to boost Avernus' population?
Seconded.
 
It took decades (over a century?) for Midgard to clear out its own underhives despite having peace, excellent leadership, and Imperial Trust technology. Dragon's Nest is in far worse condition than Midgard was, leading to many large cracks for people to fall through despite the technology we gave them and the disincentive to make their planets not suck.

You are assuming that the Blood Dragons would not make an effort, even if it is harder due to less technology. And it's not really tech that was the biggest cause of underhives developing, it's largely just because of the neglect of the rulers who didn't see a reason to bother. Even before we got all our really good industrial tech, Avernus's cities and hives never had anything like an underhive because we simply couldn't afford the vulnerability.

You are also forgetting that the Dragon's Nest wasn't trapped in a warp storm like we were, so they've had over a thousand years to get their shit together and fix their problems. With the Abomination around they couldn't allow there to be tyrannical leaders since that would be a vector for corruption (remember that they called the Star Father "the Tyrant"), and it's probably a good idea to assume that almost every non-Chaos human polity that's survived to this point has good leadership.
 
BTW, we now know what another artifact of Vulkan is, the song of Entropy is apparently a salamander headed staff that fires an entropic beam that can age what it hits to dust in seconds.

Cool.

The chariot and engine have also both been given descriptions, the Engine's "wrath has never been unleashed" The chariot is said to have "armour that is near impregnable."
 
[X] Plan Enjou T103

Just to let you guys know I previously asked Durin if anti-titan grenadiers was a good idea and this is what he said.
Would an anti-Titan class Grenadier unit be a good idea to deal with all the gargants we're expecting or would it not be cost effective?

3. it would not be a bad idea, I will say no more then that

So maybe we should try it to see how well it works?
 
Let's simplify this discussion.

@Durin, how viable is it to buy people from Midgard or Dragon's Nest and bring them in to boost Avernus' population?
possible if you can get them from Midgard, near impossible from Dragons nest due to a range of issues, the fact that Dragon's nest has a far lower level of education is a major one
 
Well these is wierd Enjou may loose a turn vote. I think these is a Tzeech plot
Adhoc vote count started by Nurgle on Nov 2, 2017 at 9:24 PM, finished with 664 posts and 27 votes.
 
possible if you can get them from Midgard, near impossible from Dragons nest due to a range of issues, the fact that Dragon's nest has a far lower level of education is a major one
Why is education an issue? Like, I get that there are multiple issues why buying from Dragon's Nest isn't possible, but education seems like a weird one to me.
 
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Why is education an issue? Like, I get that there are multiple issues why buying from Dragon's Nest isn't possible, but education seems like a weird one to me.
the fact that they are educated to a far lower level and literally do not know how to use a lot of the tech that is expected of them. it would be like having a large number of migrants from 1900 in modern Japan
 
the fact that they are educated to a far lower level and literally do not know how to use a lot of the tech that is expected of them. it would be like having a large number of migrants from 1900 in modern Japan
There are multiple solutions and workarounds I can think of for this problem, but I don't want to bug you and seeing as how there are other issues anyway, I'll keep them to myself.
 
the fact that they are educated to a far lower level and literally do not know how to use a lot of the tech that is expected of them. it would be like having a large number of migrants from 1900 in modern Japan
So how educated than does that make the i don't know peasants in Valinor? Can they even read?
 
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@Durin, knowledge implantation chairs shouldn't be used below the age of 24, but then what's the point of the Basic Education program? Wouldn't subjects already be too old to get any use out of such a chair by the time they can use it?
 
the fact that they are educated to a far lower level and literally do not know how to use a lot of the tech that is expected of them. it would be like having a large number of migrants from 1900 in modern Japan
Makes sense, most would need decades of education to become productive citizens, even then they would be capable of only the lowest skilled work possible and would probably never be able to join the PDF or perform anything but the most basic role's in the militia.
 
Makes sense, most would need decades of education to become productive citizens, even then they would be capable of only the lowest skilled work possible and would probably never be able to join the PDF or perform anything but the most basic role's in the militia.
I don't believe Cadia has as much education as we do and they still maintain a high quality PDF and militia. I don't see why education is at all a factor in this regard.
 
I don't believe Cadia has as much education as we do and they still maintain a high quality PDF and militia. I don't see why education is at all a factor in this regard.
Cadian PDF doesn't use the tech Avernite PDF uses.
Also while Cadia may not had high general education, they sure as frak had super high military education. Cadian children learned both combat skills and tactics from the early age and had as extensive mandatory militia program as we do (I mean Avernite militia program is literaly a copy of Cadian one).
I assume our military most likely doesn't have "true" basic training because literally every of-age Avernite already has more theoretical and practical military knowledge than most Imperial era Guardsmen. Trying integrate immigrants who never received such upbringing into our army is more trouble than it's worth since we would have desigh entire new training program to bring anywhere close to our basic recruits, and they would still be inferior than Avernites.
 
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