- Location
- Australia
Not really, no. It wiped out the orks but that was when they tried blowing up Avernus. I don't see why it would do any intentional difficulty scaling with us.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
- Location
- Right behind you.
Necrons.
Combined arms warfare with multidirectional simultaneous strikes.
Remember?
And the Demonic Incursion too.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Avernus matches our ability to survive, remember it was explicitly noted fairly recently after a big upgrade that the wildlife ramped up to match.
If we were facing the same odds as when we first landed we should not take any casualties at all, but despite having defences that can be compared to Mars and Terra we're still taking millions of casulties per year.
I wouldn't be surprised at this point that if we got super messed up the intensity would go down enough to let us recover.
As for the why, why on earth would it want to throw us into the deep end? If it just killed us off then we're not growing, instead it matches our level constantly testing us not too much not too little.
Not especially impressive, but they were far from impressive necrons.
Wasting anti matter bombs on the Cati really.
- Location
- Australia
Yes but Avernus raised the difficulty up to the point where the Necrons would be exterminated. It doesn't want us exterminated or else the difficulty increase would've been enough to exterminate us, but that hasn't been the case. The difficulty increase just seems to be from normal natural selection.
HanEmpire
Delicious
Avernus scales its deadliness according to how well we can fend it off. I don't know which turn it was, but after the city defence upgrades were done our generals noted that the military losses suddenly spiked back up to pre-upgrade levels. Rotbart commented that the Planet Mind seems to be keeping the Avernites sharp.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Ah here we are, turn 97 was the last time Rotbart noticed that Avernus had increased it's level an amount that required mentioning.
Coincidentally this was when we had nearly finished the PDF bionics and city upgrades.
To where 3 million was the new norm which has been consistent barring one blip the following turn (where it dropped to 1.8 million per year for unknown reasons, the next turn it was 3 million the turn after 3.8)
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- Location
- Australia
So population growth doesn't matter because the difficulty will scale to match. In that case, we should buy colonists from Midgard and Dragon's Nest. It's the only way I can see to greatly increase the number of Avernites alive in a short amount of time.
- Location
- The Bayou, Everglades
I like your idea, but I'm stilling going to rate it funny.
Think about it: What kind of people do you expect to willingly move to Avernus? To Helheim?
And I'm not saying "nobody".
HanEmpire
Delicious
No one will willingly immigrate to Avernus unless their own worlds are burning down around them.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Mate our population grows about 1.12% per turn, last turn that took us from 22,931,621,855 to 24,212,552,170 (though how much was orbitals I'm not sure.)
We don't need colonists.
- Location
- Australia
Also the many billions of those humans living in miserable, crippling, inescapable poverty within Dragon's Nest's hive worlds.
We can double that number within just a few years with a sufficient amount of colonists.
- Location
- The Bayou, Everglades
Population produces thrones. Population can be made into Mechanicus population, especially with our new chairs.
The first drawback is that we'd have to expand our cities all the sooner, which is not a good idea right at the moment.
The second drawback is the type of colonist we'd attract.
True, but I don't like opening us up to spies and people more susceptible to chaos than our own population. Midgardians you know you can trust.
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HanEmpire
Delicious
Eh, they wouldn't be as Pious as proper Avernites are. I don't want to add so many colonists that our special anti-Chaos cultural traits get diluted away.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Far fewer than there were only a few decades ago.
Yeahhh, because that's a wonderful idea atm...
For both these reasons.
To add another I don't want to dilute the progress we've made on the Avernite metahuman either.
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- The Bayou, Everglades
Well, there's always the apartheid option. Just build a few cities specifically for colonists, and don't allow them in any of the other cities.
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Do you have evidence for this? I know the Dragon's Nest didn't have the best economic tech available and wouldn't likely reach Trust levels until we traded them better tech, but given the Abomination and how keeping everyone in a state of oppressed poverty would make them more likely to fall to its corruption I think they would have put in some effort to reform things. Though @Durin could confirm one way or another.
- Location
- The Bayou, Everglades
Statistically, there should still be a few million at least.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Yes I cannot see that back firing at all.
Not at all
Yes, but ask yourself if it is worth the BD combing their worlds for a few measly million, shipping them to us here, only for 50% to 25% to die.
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HanEmpire
Delicious
That's a blip for us. It's even less reason to bring over immigrants.
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- The Bayou, Everglades
Nope, me neither.Yes I cannot see that back firing at all.
Not at all
And if we want to attract even more colonists, throw together a commercial campaign, including a fair warning about the trolls, the giant worms, the tyrant lizards, the flora outside the big safe walls of our cities, the punishment for worshipping the ruinous powers, and so on - just make that whole thing a musical montage.
And then forget to mention the spiders. That last part is important.
It'll be a surprise.
Leaves the good ones. I don't understand the problem, this is standard procedure.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
For a start we don't want the "bad" ones.Leaves the good ones. I don't understand the problem, this is standard procedure.
For a second these people will be so dispersed that the time it'd take to gather em up could be much easily and better spent on other projects.
Like recruiting more soldiers for the BD for instance.
- Location
- Australia
We can conscript excess population into the Guard and give them to the Imperial Trust. There's really nothing requiring us to expand our cities.
It took decades (over a century?) for Midgard to clear out its own underhives despite having peace, excellent leadership, and Imperial Trust technology. Dragon's Nest is in far worse condition than Midgard was, leading to many large cracks for people to fall through despite the technology we gave them and the disincentive to make their planets not suck.
I'm looking for a few billion, actually. Were we to buy 5 billion people with the expectation that half of them would die, that's still an extra 2.5 billion people we wouldn't have had, effectively doubling our population growth for a turn.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Doesn't that negate the whole point of bringing them to Avernus?
If we bring them here just to send them off to the guard then it's a waste of time.
And your assuming that the Dragon's nest which is run by astartes who are disinclined to have incompetent governors unlike the Imperium, who have the skills to do it and have plenty of incentives now to make their planets not suck wouldn't have done it already, if nothing else to get rid of those breeding grounds of cultists.
And of course the fact that if they haven't we do not want underhivers...
As derogatory and probably racist as it is that is the stereotype for a reason.
It also took Midgard something between 50-100 years, but not with level 18 technology until the final stages I think.
It's an extra 2.5 billion who will stretch our defences to the limit, are not insulated against chaos like our people are and we will dilute the progress we're making on the meta human species.
So sure, lets get them if we want more souls for the sirens, other wise it's a waste of time.
Also convincing 5 billion people to come to Avernus...hilarious. Even the DN know how dangerous we are that'd ensure we only get the crazy people, desperate criminals and cultists...I wish I was only mostly joking.
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
It's hard to ship so many people, especally so far away, and buying population off of Dragon's Nest would be better used to fill the colony worlds, where the extra productivity would be useful, instead of sending them somewhere where a bunch of them will die.
Additionally, we've already surpassed the estimated population of Catachan, with our 20+ billion to their 12 billion.
Admittedly that feat is made possible by a strong start, the way the plantlife doesn't seem to actively try to break down human construction, and the way the animals don't specifically hold back until they can mass for an assault against the cities, but it's still impressive for a death world as deadly as this one.