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The Dragon Has Three Heads - ASOIAF Quest

What are the end goal(s) of this quest?

  • Retake the Iron Throne.

    Votes: 36 14.0%

  • Destroy the White Walkers.

    Votes: 44 17.1%

  • Rebuild fallen Valyria.

    Votes: 43 16.7%

  • Create a new empire, forget the past and forge your own destiny.

    Votes: 74 28.7%

  • Survive. Who needs a crown?

    Votes: 24 9.3%

  • Utter domination. You are the Dragon and will not rest until you rule over all!

    Votes: 29 11.2%

  • Become the wisest of the wise. A true Loremaster. Learn the magics of old and converse with Gods.

    Votes: 40 15.5%

  • Forbidden Power - Why speak with the Gods when you can BECOME one of them?

    Votes: 64 24.8%

  • Immortality - The problem with Aegon the Conqueror is that he died. You will not.

    Votes: 79 30.6%
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    At this time I am using a counter system, listing the number of days votes take to be put into action. However for write-in votes you don't know how many days an action may take. For this we will use the old system of Major/Minor Decisions, and I will tell you how many days/weeks/months the plan will take. Remember that every month has 28 days, and that there are 13 months in the year with New Years as a special day alone outside the months. There is no leap year, as their calendar is not accurate to that degree.

    Major decisions are any new endeavors. Finding new investments. Finding new allies (specify what type, where you're looking if possible, what you want from them, etc) finding new trainers, starting new training even if it is with people you already know... Anything new.

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    Remember for all votes if you take a guard or other individual with you, you will need to write-in which guard/person you take with you (just saying take a guard or ally will leave the decision of which one up to me) and also whether Daenerys tries to use any future knowledge on the decision as well if it is one of hers or she is present. (She still may decide to try and use her future knowledge without your consent if she thinks it necessary.) These details are sub-votes.

    [] [Plan] X (Current Month, Short Term, Long Term, Immediate Actions, Purchases, etc.)
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    ---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 2
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    -[] Minor Decisions: Character name here
    --[] Minor Decision 1
    ---[] Sub-conditions of Minor Decision 1
    ---[] Sub-conditions of Minor Decision 1
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    -[] Free Actions: Character name here
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    [] Daenerys Priority: 1. Free Action 2, 2. Major Decision 3, 3. Minor Decision 1, etc.

    This way we can vote on the general plan, then I can separate the order of events in said plan.

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    If an action in a plan is not one for a specific character, more a general idea of what needs to be done, it will still need to go into the priority matrix.

    At the end of all your votes, put your reasons explaining your vote choice. As I've said before, a plan with reasons will get more weight than one without. Because reasons matter. I care about reasons more than numbers. I need reasons to help build the characters. Get used to putting reasons into your plans, as eventually reasons will become a requirement rather than a suggestion. This post will change when that occurs.

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    Plans have specific timelines. Immediate Actions are obviously immediate. Current Month is similarly self-explanatory. Short Term is something that can conceivably be done within 1-3 months, and Long Term is 3-6 months.
     
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    • Also, there is no way in hell I'm going to vote to commit bank fraud against the Iron Bank. Do you want shape-shifting assassins sent after us? Because that is how you get shape-shifting assassins sent after us.
     
    [X] Aegon & Daenerys Targaryen - While you have no access to the Iron Throne account, not being the current holder of that title; your family may have some private accounts of their own that you can gain access to.

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    NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
    If convincing the GC we're a Blackfyre is really feasible, why not instead convince them that Dany is one? Everyone knows their male line is dead anyway.

    We would keep our claim to the throne, and Dany would inherit the Blackfyre vault. We'd get the GC to support us by combining the Targ line with the Blackfyre line, there won't be any question why Viserys is supporting us when he has a better claim, and the Faith won't be up in arms about us marrying our aunt.

    Is this a viable vote, QM? And how much harder will it be than the current Blackfyre option?

    [] Aegon Targaryen and Daenys Blackfyre

    That way we can still call her Dany, and since they fled Westeros as she was being born, I doubt many people know of her existence, and less fewer would know her real name.

    Plus, it'll be Aegon, Daenys and Viserys, mirroring Aegon, Rhaenys and Visenya, the three heads of the dragons.
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    This is a viable vote, I left write-ins for a reason. - However it is tempered by canon. Remember when I mentioned that you needed Viserys or Dany to vouch for your claim to the Iron Throne? That was because of my earlier quote where the small council said that Dany's claim to the throne was unquestionable. Maybe because she'd been followed by Kingdom spies the entire time, they knew for certain who she was. I haven't yet decided how they were so certain of her "unquestionable" identity. However I make that decision, it could come back to bite you. If the reason turns out to be a singular person and they die due to rolls or are loyal to you then it will still be viable. If it is not... You won't have any claim to the Throne without Viserys. You know Viserys will be returning, but not how soon, nor if once he returns if he will live long enough to back that claim in person with those will need to hear it.
     
    Mr Apollo said:
    Not a chance, I refuse to have us take the name of a bastard, a traitor, and a failure. If it is our destiny to retake our home then let us do it under our own name.
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    I like when people are willing to stick to their guns, temporarily easier path ahead of them or no. - You've just earned yourself one free nat20 to use in the campaign on something that we have to do at some point.
     
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    Taylor Mcfee said:
    [X] Daemon Blackfyre & Daenerys Targaryen - While you are a proud Targaryen, your identity is not known by many, and subterfuge has already paid off once. Dany's identity is known though. Maybe you can get the Golden Co. AND any family heirlooms.

    Night_stalker, Ghostdevil, Lucienz, Mr Apollo,Satsuma Red, Magoose, Brom, always_confused,Timewinders, Schnarf, StarkDemise, JoshieWoshie,Enso, ALanos, NúmenoreanNazgûl, DkArthas,blackshadow111, Saevin23, marackomarac33,HugoR

    Hey Guys. Th Author pretty much spelled it out to us.

    Blackfyre and Targaryen is the better option. As long as we marry Dany down the line.

    Change votes? Yes? No?
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    Eh, depends on what you mean by better. If you're only counting getting the GC and Blackfyre? Yes. If you're not counting that? Maybe no. Rolls determine much. There is always the chance that Dany could die before you get married, leaving you no claim except as a Blackfyre. That is still Targ blood and will have some back you, but others will refuse.

    I was clarifying the benefits of one side because people who are not the QM were stating things as if there were no benefits to being both. There are, provided you both survive. This is an exercise in reminding people that both paths have ups and downs with success, and ups and downs with defeat.
     
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    NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
    No it's not.

    If we fail the roll, the GC will be pissed and will know where we are. If we succeed, we lose some legitimacy as the heir in the eyes of everyone other than the GC, people will be far more likely to accept the son of Rheagar's claim to the Iron throne rather than that of a Blackfyre. Also, as people have pointed out, we lose the Stark support we might otherwise get. Then they might wonder why Viserys, who has better claim than us, and is supposed to have a long family feud with the Blackfyres is loyal to us. There are Illyrio, Varys and possibly other people who have taken us in over the years who can tell them the truth. All that we gain is a VS sword and a sellsword company, which admittedly is pretty tempting, but we can get those in other ways. QM said that the Targ vault has an heirloom that complements Blackfyre, so possibly another VS sword, or maybe even VS armor like we saw in our dreams.

    If you really want to go with the Blackfyre route, trying to convince them that Dany is a Blackfyre is the superior option that cuts down half the cons, adds a few pros. The only possible downside is that people might be more aware of her existence than they are of ours, making it harder.
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    You may lose Stark support. You'll be back to doing diplomacy with them instead of having it automatically, yes. That doesn't mean you won't get it at all. Rolls for that. Of course, this is a lesser position than having them behind you from the start. Hence my point about both sides having ups and downs. Ease now, difficulty later is a thing in many choices I offer.

    People won't wonder about Viserys though, because he will come clean about his prior madness and will state that his reason for abdication is the worry that it could return. This was a very good thing to consider though. Also, I'm no longer tipsy so I can clear up my phrasing. When I said "abdicate in your favor" I meant he would abdicate to Dany. You would be King Consort, Dany would be the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and to all involved she would be the ruler. You as husband would be advising her, of course. Privately she would look to you for final decisions, publicly not so.

    I will agree that if you guys go the Blackfyre route, convincing the GC that Dany is the Blackfyre is the best way. Or you could y'know always claim just Targ now, here in the bank, and then meet the GC on your own and lie to them. I did hint at that by saying that the Bank has no cares how you present yourself to others. They are no stranger to double lives.
     
    Lunasmeow said:
    I will agree that if you guys go the Blackfyre route, convincing the GC that Dany is the Blackfyre is the best way.
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    Provided that they never learn of your deception of course, and Viserys lives long enough to tell the kingdoms who you are.
     
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    Galerius said:
    S'cuse you?

    As a Supporter of the Blackfyre family, I take offence at that! I demand a Trial by Combat!
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    What noise is this? Give me my long sword ho!

    Also, it would be totally outside our established character to take anything other than our own name. After all, in the first post, we reflect on how glad we are that the maid that saved us named us Aegon instead of a commoner name like Jon, aka the name of the Lord Paramount of the Vale. We are apparently a total snob when it comes to names.

    Lunasmeow said:
    I like when people are willing to stick to their guns, temporarily easier path ahead of them or no. - You've just earned yourself one free nat20 to use in the campaign on something that we have to do at some point.
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    Thank you very much!
     
    NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
    She was born right before leaving Westeros. If anyone knows her name, it's because of Varys' little birds.

    And I am aware of what "the male line is dead" means. I'm just saying that it'd be easier to convince them to accept a female heir inheriting the Blackfyre name, than it would have been if the male line was not dead.
    We're still half-Stark, and Ned Stark is probably the best chance at proving our claim as the son of Rhaegar Targaryen. I mean, we would have dragons, so we would not necessarily need him that badly, but more people will believe us if he vouches for us. Speaking of, there are some things we don't know that Aegon should.

    @Lunasmeow, Do we know how we ended up in Essos and Jon in Winterfell? Why was only one of us smuggled away? And if Illyrio knows who our mother is, then Varys would too, right? Did he tell Robert? Does Robert even know that we exist? Or who our parents are? Who Jon's parents are?
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    I wondered when someone would ask this question.

    As far as you know (you were a baby at the time so you only know what the maid told the Targs and they passed on to Viserys) she saw the birth of Jon, but also saw the promise Ned made Lyanna. He then told the baby (as people are wont to do, talking to babies as if they can understand) that he would name him Jon, his bastard to keep him safe. She would have given you over to Ned had she not seen this. For some reason she was willing to risk much to bring you to dragonstone. One hell of a loyal maid. You don't know why.

    Robert as far as you know doesn't know of your existence or the manhunt would be much worse. As a son of Rhaegar, trueborn or not, you are a dangerous pretender. Viserys and Dany are bad enough, but they are children of Aenys whom everyone hates. Rhaegar was beloved until his supposed "kidnapping and rape" of Lyanna, a fellow noble. If word ever got out that the kidnapping and rape were merely an elopement... Your claim would be very difficult to put down. Especially if word got out about how badly Robert is handling the kingdom's debt.
     
    HugoR said:
    Are we forgetting that while being a Targaryan we are connected to the Starks too? Becoming a Blackfyre would erase that ancestry and eventually their help should we ever need it.
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    Ned "muh honor" Stark will not support us at the expense of his friend. Once Robert dies...

    NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
    I'm just saying that it'd be easier to convince them to accept a female heir inheriting the Blackfyre name, than it would have been if the male line was not dead.
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    Why is a female heir better ? Do you mean to say that we could convince the GC that Dany is Maelys' daughter ? That can't happen unfortunately. Dany is too young to be Maelys' daughter; the years don't add up properly. So we would have to claim to be a grandchild of Maelys, in which case it doesn't matter if the child is male or female.

    Lunasmeow said:
    If you're only counting getting the GC and Blackfyre? Yes.
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    Holy shit guys, Blackfyre confirmed.

    Lunasmeow said:
    . Or you could y'know always claim just Targ now, here in the bank, and then meet the GC on your own and lie to them. I did hint at that by saying that the Bank has no cares how you present yourself to others. They are no stranger to double lives.
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    This is a good option to have, especially if they agree to keep quiet about the "fact" that we are a Blackfyre. What do you think @NúmenoreanNazgûl ?
     
    Mr Apollo said:
    Also, it would be totally outside our established character to take anything other than our own name. After all, in the first post, we reflect on how glad we are that the maid that saved us named us Aegon instead of a commoner name like Jon, aka the name of the Lord Paramount of the Vale. We are apparently a total snob when it comes to names.
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    While we might be snobs, we think practically. If taking the Blackfyre name means getting more resources, then so be it. It will help us out in the long term.
     
    Mr Apollo said:
    What noise is this? Give me my long sword ho!

    Also, it would be totally outside our established character to take anything other than our own name. After all, in the first post, we reflect on how glad we are that the maid that saved us named us Aegon instead of a commoner name like Jon, aka the name of the Lord Paramount of the Vale. We are apparently a total snob when it comes to names.



    Thank you very much!
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    It would be if you hadn't robbed Illyrio. That gives you a chance to take pragmatism and greed over pride like you did before. Character can change through experience. This is just another of the same type of decision that would temper you either towards pride or greed and pragmatism.

    Also it is somewhat easier because for this plan to work you would marry Dany matrilineally meaning that you would take her name and the children would be considered of House Targaryen. Much like female rulers do in Dorne to keep the House Martell as the ruling dynasty.
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    godofsmallthings said:
    Why is a female heir better ? Do you mean to say that we could convince the GC that Dany is Maelys' daughter ? That can't happen unfortunately. Dany is too young to be Maelys' daughter; the years don't add up properly. So we would have to claim to be a grandchild of Maelys, in which case it doesn't matter if the child is male or female.
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    I'm not saying a female heir is better. I'm saying that since the male line is dead, any descendants would be from a female Blackfyre anyway, so there should be less fewer people who find it upsetting for a female to inherit the claim.
    godofsmallthings said:
    This is a good option to have, especially if they agree to keep quiet about the "fact" that we are a Blackfyre. What do you think @NúmenoreanNazgûl ?
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    We tell the Bank we're Targaryen and gain access to the Targ vaults, we'll have the Targ heirloom and later Viserys to legitimize our claim. Then (after we have an army to check them should things go south) present Dany as the Blackfyre heir and get their support? It is an option, though I'd prefer to come to an honest arrangement, maybe a marriage alliance to join our lines, and offer them lands and an end to their exile? Less chance of things blowing up in our face that way.
     
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    NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
    We tell the Bank we're Targaryen and gain access to the Targ vaults, we'll have the Targ heirloom and later Viserys to legitimize our claim. Then (after we have an army to check them should things go south) present Dany as the Blackfyre heir and get their support? It is an option, though I'd prefer to come to an honest arrangement, maybe a marriage alliance to join our lines, and offer them lands and an end to their exile? Less chance of things blowing up in our face that way.
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    I think he meant tell the bank that you're Targ, but tell the GC that Aegon is a Blackfyre. But either could potentially work.
     
    I don't think we can reliablyou make the golden company and ally for the time being. The chance of making them our enemies is to great. Better to plot for now and see where the Targaryen name takes us. Blackfyre ad nothing for us unless we roll really good at key moments, something I wouldn't trust 100%
     
    Basically the vote comes down to this:

    Targ - You have a chance to present either Dany or Aegon as a Blackfyre to the GC later. How that chance comes about depends on rolls and how soon you approach them.

    Both Blackfyre & Targ - You have already decided that Aegon will be the Blackfyre, and that you will try to push for "his" claim with the GC.
     
    Vote will be closing in about an hour. Get your final debate points in and any vote changes in by then.​
     
    [X] Daemon Blackfyre & Daenerys Targaryen - While you are a proud Targaryen, your identity is not known by many, and subterfuge has already paid off once. Dany's identity is known though. Maybe you can get the Golden Co. AND any family heirlooms.
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    So, final thoughts: In a few years, with grown/growing dragons, Viserys by our side, the Seven Kingdoms broken and in disarray, the Baratheons possibly dead (except maybe Stannis) and a Lannister bastard on the Iron Throne, we'll be in a strong position to negotiate a deal with the Blackfyres. Trying to deceive them has too many loose ends and possible points of failure that could blow up in our face.

    And if anyone has yet to roll, can they try for that nat100? It might be the only thing that'll save us from that nat1.
     
    The Iron Bank won't believe us until they get in contact with the GC. Maybe we could strike up a deal with them while we're at it?
     
    Galerius said:
    The Iron Bank won't believe us until they get in contact with the GC. Maybe we could strike up a deal with them while we're at it?
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    Well the account is owned by the GC. If the GC asks them give us the ownership of the account, they might do it without too much drama. After all it would be upon the GC to make sure that we are who we say are, not the Iron Bank.
     
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