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The Dragon Has Three Heads - ASOIAF Quest

What are the end goal(s) of this quest?

  • Retake the Iron Throne.

    Votes: 36 14.0%

  • Destroy the White Walkers.

    Votes: 44 17.1%

  • Rebuild fallen Valyria.

    Votes: 43 16.7%

  • Create a new empire, forget the past and forge your own destiny.

    Votes: 74 28.7%

  • Survive. Who needs a crown?

    Votes: 24 9.3%

  • Utter domination. You are the Dragon and will not rest until you rule over all!

    Votes: 29 11.2%

  • Become the wisest of the wise. A true Loremaster. Learn the magics of old and converse with Gods.

    Votes: 40 15.5%

  • Forbidden Power - Why speak with the Gods when you can BECOME one of them?

    Votes: 64 24.8%

  • Immortality - The problem with Aegon the Conqueror is that he died. You will not.

    Votes: 79 30.6%
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    At this time I am using a counter system, listing the number of days votes take to be put into action. However for write-in votes you don't know how many days an action may take. For this we will use the old system of Major/Minor Decisions, and I will tell you how many days/weeks/months the plan will take. Remember that every month has 28 days, and that there are 13 months in the year with New Years as a special day alone outside the months. There is no leap year, as their calendar is not accurate to that degree.

    Major decisions are any new endeavors. Finding new investments. Finding new allies (specify what type, where you're looking if possible, what you want from them, etc) finding new trainers, starting new training even if it is with people you already know... Anything new.

    No mixing something that would qualify as a minor decision or free action into your major votes! If you have a question about your votes, ask me.

    Talking with specific people about specific subjects. You can generally only talk with one person at a time with this. There are simple logical exceptions, Husband & Wife combos can be put together as one conversation, brother & sister, stuff like that. I'll clarify if a combo is unacceptable when I see the vote. This is also for continuing any long term action. Any major decision that you have already voted to start (not just mused about in-story) can be a minor action the next time around. Continuing training that you have already begun for example. Continuing a long-term investigation or plot. Stuff like this.

    Making small talk with characters. You will not learn anything special really, but it gives you more insight into their backgrounds and history, can raise/lower their loyalty or other relationship points with you, etc. Raising/lowering and how much depends on rolls.

    These can interrupt any current action(s) and will take precedence over the current plan. A way to change things on the fly as you discover new information or alternate ways to potentially enhance your plan, or change it completely if needed.

    Remember for all votes if you take a guard or other individual with you, you will need to write-in which guard/person you take with you (just saying take a guard or ally will leave the decision of which one up to me) and also whether Daenerys tries to use any future knowledge on the decision as well if it is one of hers or she is present. (She still may decide to try and use her future knowledge without your consent if she thinks it necessary.) These details are sub-votes.

    [] [Plan] X (Current Month, Short Term, Long Term, Immediate Actions, Purchases, etc.)
    -[] Major Decisions: Character name here
    --[] Major Decision 1
    ---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 1
    ---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 1
    --[] Major Decision 2
    ---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 2
    ---[] Sub-conditions of Major Decision 2
    -[] Minor Decisions: Character name here
    --[] Minor Decision 1
    ---[] Sub-conditions of Minor Decision 1
    ---[] Sub-conditions of Minor Decision 1
    --[] Minor Decision 2
    -[] Free Actions: Character name here
    --[] Free Action 1
    ---[] Sub-conditions
    --[] Free Action 2
    ---[] Sub-conditions

    You get the jist of this.

    However, under the plan vote, you will then put a "Priority" Vote.

    [] Aegon Priority: 1. Major Decision 1, 2. Free Action 2, 3. Minor Decision 1, 4. Major Decision 2, etc.
    [] Daenerys Priority: 1. Free Action 2, 2. Major Decision 3, 3. Minor Decision 1, etc.

    This way we can vote on the general plan, then I can separate the order of events in said plan.

    Don't put V1, V2, or any other such revision information into your plan. Just leave it like I have it. Nothing extra. The tally system will update to your newest post. No need to make version markers. It just makes things harder for me.

    If an action in a plan is not one for a specific character, more a general idea of what needs to be done, it will still need to go into the priority matrix.

    At the end of all your votes, put your reasons explaining your vote choice. As I've said before, a plan with reasons will get more weight than one without. Because reasons matter. I care about reasons more than numbers. I need reasons to help build the characters. Get used to putting reasons into your plans, as eventually reasons will become a requirement rather than a suggestion. This post will change when that occurs.

    [] [Plan] X

    You may (but are not required to) put additional reasons to agree with that plan beneath your vote if there are reasons for it that the original vote creator didn't put in that you thought of. The more/better the reasoning inside explaining a vote, the greater the chance it will be added into the story.

    Votes are typically closed after either 12 or 24 hours unless real life interferes. Ties will be either decided by me, or by whoever is in the forum or the Discord that has not voted already at the time. I will @ whoever is currently in the forum or Discord that I choose to be the tiebreaker.

    Plans have specific timelines. Immediate Actions are obviously immediate. Current Month is similarly self-explanatory. Short Term is something that can conceivably be done within 1-3 months, and Long Term is 3-6 months.
     
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    • Lucienz said:
    I don't understand why everyone wants to be a Blackfyre:
    1. We're putting ourselves at risk of losing our entire account if a real Blackfyre ever appears (no matter how great of a customer we are; the Iron Bank will never allow everyone to just take over someone else's account and would move on this so fast your head will spin). Think about how many merchants and lords would be peeved if they knew that their account could be claimed by random people claiming to be their children, it would ruin the Iron Bank.
    2. We're making some broad assumptions that the Blackfyre do not still exist and that the Golden Company don't already know Illyrio's son is the Blackfyre heir. For all we know, he already has control of the Blackfyre account through the female Blackfyre line and claiming another's account would require the Iron Bank to contact both parties to resolve the account dispute thus letting him know where we are.
    3. People are trying to be wayyyyy too clever about this. I'll be honest, the first question the Iron Bank will say if we say we're Blackfyres is, "prove it." No Bank gets this prominent by handing over retired accounts to random people that have the same eye and hair color to others. They'll likely bring in an expert and while our character could probably say enough about the Red Keep to make our Targaryen claim plausible. I highly doubt our character or Danaerysnis good enough at bsing that we'll be able to spin a story about how the Blackfyre male line was not extinguished and we were totally hiding in [insert Essos city for years] and making a living doing [insert reason] and only decided to claim our account now because [etc]. And the Iron Bank will almost certainly interogate us sepperately to make sure our stories corroborate with one another. This is a professional institution that has lasted thousands of years remember? They're going to take all precautions.
    -If the Iron Bank is really this incompetent at handing over retired accounts I'm honestly amazed anyone would ever hand over their money to them since hair color is all you need apparently.
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    1. True, but you have to convince the Gold Co. Not the bank. You'd fail at convincing the bank.
    2. There may indeed be some Blackfyre's around. In fact, I guarantee that there is at least one. - Insightful.
    3. The bank will put whoever in charge of the account the Golden Co tells them to. Because the account is owned by the Golden Co. Not the bank. They merely manage it. Like any bank does.
     
    Lunasmeow said:
    1. True, but you have to convince the Gold Co. Not the bank. You'd fail at convincing the bank.
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    Which of course like the Iron Bank will almost certainly interogate the boy and girl Targaryen who suspiciously are the same age and gender as those two Targaryens on the run everyone knows about. :rolleyes:

    I can see the eloquent responses our character has available to them.
    Golden Company: "So you've been in hiding for years doing some unspecific thing because you clearly don't know much about the world of Essos outside Pentos. And you decided to show up just now because you rediscovered your heritage and/or got bored."
    Illyrio: "They're Targaryens. Seize them right now. Given that I'm not an idiot, my servants who helped bathe them know where their birthmarks are proving I'm more likely than not their guardian. At the very least, their back story is clearly a lie given that for something this important we can take the time to track down exactly where they "claim" to have been in hiding to see whether two people like them ever "owned" a house in that area or had a secret supporter there."
     
    Lucienz said:
    Which of course like the Iron Bank will almost certainly interogate the boy and girl Targaryen who suspiciously are the same age and gender as those two Targaryens on the run everyone knows about. :rolleyes:

    I can see the eloquent responses our character has available to them.
    Golden Company: "So you've been in hiding for years doing some unspecific thing because you clearly don't know much about the world of Essos outside Pentos. And you decided to show up just now because you rediscovered your heritage and/or got bored."
    Illyrio: "They're Targaryens. Seize them right now. Given that I'm not an idiot, my servants who helped bathe them know where their birthmarks are proving I'm more likely than not their guardian. At the very least, their back story is clearly a lie given that for something this important we can take the time to track down exactly where they "claim" to have been in hiding to see whether two people like them ever "owned" a house in that area or had a secret supporter there."
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    I never said how easy it will be. Just that it wouldn't be too horribly difficult. But it all depends honestly. People don't always believe things for logical reasons. Emotional ones work too. People desperate for a hero or savior will see one anywhere. Like those people who see Jesus in their toast.

    Illyrio will be an issue though.
     
    Lunasmeow said:
    I never said how easy it will be. Just that it wouldn't be too horribly difficult. But it all depends honestly. People don't always believe things for logical reasons. Emotional ones work too. People desperate for a hero or savior will see one anywhere. Like those people who see Jesus in their toast.

    Illyrio will be an issue though.
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    Hire the Faceless to take care of him?
     
    Lunasmeow said:
    I never said how easy it will be. Just that it wouldn't be too horribly difficult. But it all depends honestly. People don't always believe things for logical reasons. Emotional ones work too. People desperate for a hero or savior will see one anywhere. Like those people who see Jesus in their toast.
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    I know it just strikes me as odd how many people seem to think this would be easy rather than look at this from the prospective of a Golden Company whose going to interrogate everyone down to the last detail. :lol

    I mean pretty eyes and random silver hair is no proper way of claiming Kingship! :V
     
    Lucienz said:
    I know it just strikes me as odd how many people seem to think this would be easy rather than look at this from the prospective of a Golden Company whose going to interrogate everyone down to the last detail. :lol

    I mean pretty eyes and random silver hair is no proper way of claiming Kingship! :V
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    That is fair. It will be sufficiently difficult, of that you should rest assured. And the vote isn't winning anyway. That may change when I wake up, but for now Targ stands.
    Adhoc vote count started by Lunasmeow on Aug 18, 2017 at 12:03 PM, finished with 132 posts and 31 votes.
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    If convincing the GC we're a Blackfyre is really feasible, why not instead convince them that Dany is one? Everyone knows their male line is dead anyway.

    We would keep our claim to the throne, and Dany would inherit the Blackfyre vault. We'd get the GC to support us by combining the Targ line with the Blackfyre line, there won't be any question why Viserys is supporting us when he has a better claim, and the Faith won't be up in arms about us marrying our aunt.

    Is this a viable vote, QM? And how much harder will it be than the current Blackfyre option?

    [] Aegon Targaryen and Daenys Blackfyre

    That way we can still call her Dany, and since they fled Westeros as she was being born, I doubt many people know of her existence, and less fewer would know her real name.

    Plus, it'll be Aegon, Daenys and Viserys, mirroring Aegon, Rhaenys and Visenya, the three heads of the dragons.
     
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    I guess people are making a good point about becoming a Blackfyre and it could greatly benefict us. I will be willing to change my vote if we could make a good case with the golden company. Having a sellsword company backing us from the start is a great boon.
     
    NúmenoreanNazgûl said:
    If convincing the GC we're a Blackfyre is really feasible, why not instead convince them that Dany is one? Everyone knows their male line is dead anyway.
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    She was born in Dragonstone. Everyone in the Seven Kingdoms is aware of her.

    Also you are reading the "male line is dead" bit wrong. It doesn't mean that there can't be anymore male Blackfyres. It means that Maelys had no surviving male children. So any future Blackfyres would come from the female line that was still alive.
     
    Are we forgetting that while being a Targaryan we are connected to the Starks too? Becoming a Blackfyre would erase that ancestry and eventually their help should we ever need it.
     
    Lunasmeow said:
    You are the first trueborn son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Named by a maid who managed to save you from the Tower of Joy and against all odds deliver you to your family at Dragonstone, you are were named Aegon Targaryen twice over. Once for your dead half-brother, that you might succeed where he failed, and once for the Aegon the Conqueror that you might reclaim that which is yours by right.
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    Seems I was right
     
    godofsmallthings said:
    She was born in Dragonstone. Everyone in the Seven Kingdoms is aware of her.

    Also you are reading the "male line is dead" bit wrong. It doesn't mean that there can't be anymore male Blackfyres. It means that Maelys had no surviving male children. So any future Blackfyres would come from the female line that was still alive.
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    She was born right before leaving Westeros. If anyone knows her name, it's because of Varys' little birds.

    And I am aware of what "the male line is dead" means. I'm just saying that it'd be easier to convince them to accept a female heir inheriting the Blackfyre name, than it would have been if the male line was not dead.
    Galerius said:
    We ain't Jon Snow bro, we're an entirely different character.
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    We're still half-Stark, and Ned Stark is probably the best chance at proving our claim as the son of Rhaegar Targaryen. I mean, we would have dragons, so we would not necessarily need him that badly, but more people will believe us if he vouches for us. Speaking of, there are some things we don't know that Aegon should.

    @Lunasmeow, Do we know how we ended up in Essos and Jon in Winterfell? Why was only one of us smuggled away? And if Illyrio knows who our mother is, then Varys would too, right? Did he tell Robert? Does Robert even know that we exist? Or who our parents are? Who Jon's parents are?
     
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    [X] Daemon Blackfyre & Daenerys Targaryen - While you are a proud Targaryen, your identity is not known by many, and subterfuge has already paid off once. Dany's identity is known though. Maybe you can get the Golden Co. AND any family heirlooms.

    Night_stalker, Ghostdevil, Lucienz, Mr Apollo,Satsuma Red, Magoose, Brom, always_confused,Timewinders, Schnarf, StarkDemise, JoshieWoshie,Enso, ALanos, NúmenoreanNazgûl, DkArthas,blackshadow111, Saevin23, marackomarac33,HugoR

    Hey Guys. Th Author pretty much spelled it out to us.

    Blackfyre and Targaryen is the better option. As long as we marry Dany down the line.

    Change votes? Yes? No?
    Adhoc vote count started by Taylor Mcfee on Aug 18, 2017 at 3:15 PM, finished with 141 posts and 31 votes.
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    Taylor Mcfee threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Reasons Total: 29
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    Taylor Mcfee said:
    [X] Daemon Blackfyre & Daenerys Targaryen - While you are a proud Targaryen, your identity is not known by many, and subterfuge has already paid off once. Dany's identity is known though. Maybe you can get the Golden Co. AND any family heirlooms.

    Night_stalker, Ghostdevil, Lucienz, Mr Apollo,Satsuma Red, Magoose, Brom, always_confused,Timewinders, Schnarf, StarkDemise, JoshieWoshie,Enso, ALanos, NúmenoreanNazgûl, DkArthas,blackshadow111, Saevin23, marackomarac33,HugoR

    Hey Guys. Th Author pretty much spelled it out to us.

    Blackfyre and Targaryen is the better option. As long as we marry Dany down the line.

    Change votes? Yes? No?
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    No. As people down bellow said it should be better to stay a Targaryan. We shouldn't blind ourselves with greed and take the more risky aprouch.

    Edit:Although is kinda sad we will lose the Starks.

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    Taylor Mcfee said:
    Hey Guys. Th Author pretty much spelled it out to us.

    Blackfyre and Targaryen is the better option. As long as we marry Dany down the line.

    Change votes? Yes? No?
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    Not a chance, I refuse to have us take the name of a bastard, a traitor, and a failure. If it is our destiny to retake our home then let us do it under our own name.
     
    Taylor Mcfee said:
    [X] Daemon Blackfyre & Daenerys Targaryen - While you are a proud Targaryen, your identity is not known by many, and subterfuge has already paid off once. Dany's identity is known though. Maybe you can get the Golden Co. AND any family heirlooms.

    Night_stalker, Ghostdevil, Lucienz, Mr Apollo,Satsuma Red, Magoose, Brom, always_confused,Timewinders, Schnarf, StarkDemise, JoshieWoshie,Enso, ALanos, NúmenoreanNazgûl, DkArthas,blackshadow111, Saevin23, marackomarac33,HugoR

    Hey Guys. Th Author pretty much spelled it out to us.

    Blackfyre and Targaryen is the better option. As long as we marry Dany down the line.

    Change votes? Yes? No?
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    No it's not.
    Lucienz said:
    I know it just strikes me as odd how many people seem to think this would be easy rather than look at this from the prospective of a Golden Company whose going to interrogate everyone down to the last detail. :lol

    I mean pretty eyes and random silver hair is no proper way of claiming Kingship! :V
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    Lunasmeow said:
    That is fair. It will be sufficiently difficult, of that you should rest assured.
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    If we fail the roll, the GC will be pissed and will know where we are. If we succeed, we lose some legitimacy as the heir in the eyes of everyone other than the GC, people will be far more likely to accept the son of Rheagar's claim to the Iron throne rather than that of a Blackfyre. Also, as people have pointed out, we lose the Stark support we might otherwise get. Then they might wonder why Viserys, who has better claim than us, and is supposed to have a long family feud with the Blackfyres is loyal to us. There are Illyrio, Varys and possibly other people who have taken us in over the years who can tell them the truth. All that we gain is a VS sword and a sellsword company, which admittedly is pretty tempting, but we can get those in other ways. QM said that the Targ vault has an heirloom that complements Blackfyre, so possibly another VS sword, or maybe even VS armor like we saw in our dreams.

    If you really want to go with the Blackfyre route, trying to convince them that Dany is a Blackfyre is the superior option that cuts down half the cons, adds a few pros. The only possible downside is that people might be more aware of her existence than they are of ours, making it harder.
     
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