The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%
  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%

  • Total voters
    738
@Durin , I have some questions about our Apothecaries:
1) Did they lost any generic Astartes knowledge, like Techmarines and Librarians?
2) How much we need to offer to Dragons for such knowledge?
3) Can they also teach us some more advanced techniques or they apply only to Blood Angel geneseed?
4) What benefits mechanics-wise can we expect from sending Varangian Guard painboyz to Blood Dragons for training?
 
Write in for exterminatus idea

While the risk of being able to manufacture exterminatus weapons is great the reward far out weights them especially now. If the Orks begin deployment of War Moons as they showed during the War of the Beast exterminatus weapons mypay be our best chance of quickly eliminating them. The risk of a group,stealing an exterminatus weapon is there, but it is there now and so long as we keep the manufacturing as low as possible and as well hidden as possible the risk should be minimised.

Can't do much spelling on me phone.


@Durin
1. As a write in for the sirens can we table the discussion until we have tested the banishment rune. Give people more information to work from and weigh the cost benefits.
yes
@Durin
1. What is our current orbital defense level?
5.8
@Durin, will our characters have a greater chance of dying to Avernus if we assign Ridcully to help with the Orks?
yes but not much, there will still be an major chance of a re-roll
Gotta say, I find Prime Paladis' counterarguments fairly convincing, actually.
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I am trying to portray him as conservative but in no way dumb, the exact opposite in fact
mmmm.

Depends if he does the scanning for threats to our characters automatically I suppose which he seems to do independent of actions like when he pulled Thaddeus out of the way of a Magma Wyrm...

Still while he is here @Durin
1. Does Lin have any opinions on any of the subjects like
1i. Exterminatus
1ii. Xenos contact
1iii. Sirens
Given the new circumstances
2. Is the idea of partially feeding the Cultists to the Sirens more palatable to the council?
3. Would the Sirens accept it?
1i. only the commonsense opinion that you should carefully way up the short term advantages vs the long term risks
1ii. worthwhile given the threat
1iii. he is staying out of this debate due to being personally conflicted on it
2. partially feeding? what is that?

how much you use extermiantus will be covered in next section
@Durin , I have some questions about our Apothecaries:
1) Did they lost any generic Astartes knowledge, like Techmarines and Librarians?
2) How much we need to offer to Dragons for such knowledge?
3) Can they also teach us some more advanced techniques or they apply only to Blood Angel geneseed?
4) What benefits mechanics-wise can we expect from sending Varangian Guard painboyz to Blood Dragons for training?
1. no
3. Blood Angels only
4. none
 
When we researched the sirens with the psykers they found that if they interrupted the sirens during feeding the soul of the person was somewhat eaten and became psychicly dense, but they survived. I'd do the exact quote, but I'm on the phone.
that is considered to be rather unpleasant for the SIrens (think having a feast layed out in front of you and then taken away when you have the first bite) and pretty cruel even by 40k standards by humans
 
that is considered to be rather unpleasant for the SIrens (think having a feast layed out in front of you and then taken away when you have the first bite) and pretty cruel even by 40k standards by humans
So dick move by everyone's standards got it.

1. Does our embassy have an approximate idea of what the sirens think of us (humans)
 
So it looks like Enjou plan is winning
Adhoc vote count started by Nurgle on Jul 5, 2017 at 11:55 AM, finished with 169 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Plan Fast Conquest
    [x] Plan Unified Front
    [X] Fast- deploy ten billion men, take the Ork domains in an estimated 23 years, medium chance of something going wrong, estimated 25-50% casualties- The Inquisition, Champion Surt and the Security Council are pushing for this option claiming that urgent action is needed
    [X] Reverse-Engineer Exterminatus Weaponry and then use stealth ships to use as many as possible on Tugozak's Domain- This would take at least a decade of Archmagos Tranth time and require a good deal of high quality materials, if successful it will reveal a great deal about the Imperial Trust capabilities, if successful it will inflict massive damage on Tugozak's Domain and render many worlds uninhabitable.
    [X] Have Muspelheim Fleet harass Tugozak's Domain starting when Ork Domains are conquered, killing what ships and population centers it can- Inflict light damage, suffer light losses
    [X] Have Vanaheim Fleet harass Tugozak's Domain starting when Ork Domains are conquered, killing what ships and population centers it can- Inflict moderate damage, suffer moderate losses
    [X] Have Avernite Elites deployed to sabotage and destroy as much as possible, starting when Ork Domains are conquered- Inflict light damage, suffer moderate-to-high losses, increase any damage done by harassment fleets
    [X] Have High Grandmaster Ridcully spend some time increasing the intensity of civil war in Tugozak's Domain- increases success chance of other attacks, inflicts medium to-major damage, increases strength of surviving Orks, ties up half of High Grandmaster Ridcully's actions for extended periods of time
    [X] Have naval task force set out to inflict as much damage to minor worlds as is practical, starting after local Ork dominions are destroyed- destroy many Ork minor worlds fleet capacity and infrastructure, inflict major damge to most minor worlds populations, light losses
    [X] Have combined armstask force set out to inflict as much damage to minor worlds as is practical, starting after local Ork dominions are destroyed- destroy half of Ork minor worlds fleet capacity and infrastructure, inflict major damage to half of minor worlds populations, light-to moderate losses
    [X] Contact the Eldar and Necrons to warn them about the awakening of the Ork Gods
    [X] Feed Avernite Cultists to Sirens for knowledge
    -[X] Spend 4 opinion each convincing Governor Garp and Lord-Marshal Sigurd to support the proposal.
    [X] Do not warn local Chaos polities about the awakening of the Ork Gods
    [x] Ask Blood Dragons for assistance with Tugozak's domain and minor ork worlds, coordinate strikes with them.
    [X] Abstain on feeding Avernite Cultists to Sirens for knowledge
    [X] Abstain on warning local Chaos polities about the awakening of the Ork Gods
 
I think a write-in calling for Blood Dragons involvement should be included in both plans. It's a sensible thing to do.
 
I think a write-in calling for Blood Dragons involvement should be included in both plans. It's a sensible thing to do.
I don't really want to involve the nest in the trusts expansion, they will want something in return and for invading Orks they will want something substantial. I'd rather not indebt the trust to them during this critical time when not completely necessary. Apart from the blood dragons themselves most of the nests military is going to be very substandard to our own anyways.
 
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The Blood Dragons already have active campaigns against both Ork Domains, so it's likely that they will coordinate with us anyways once the alliance goes through - they benefit quite a lot from having the domains replaced by a friendly polity. The Dragon's Nest is also about as large as an uncorrupted polity could get since they rule an entire sector, and the only domain relatively close to them is Garkill's.
 
The Blood Dragons already have active campaigns against both Ork Domains, so it's likely that they will coordinate with us anyways once the alliance goes through - they benefit quite a lot from having the domains replaced by a friendly polity. The Dragon's Nest is also about as large as an uncorrupted polity could get since they rule an entire sector, and the only domain relatively close to them is Garkill's.
Before this emergency council the immediate goal was a defensive alliance. If we want to switch the goal to joint offence alliance (which is reasonable), council meeting is the time to do it, it won't happen by itself just because it's a logical thing to do, because we are the ones to do the logical thing.
 
[x] Plan Unified Front

I object to the Siren trade on the simple principals of we are willing to trade living humans, chaos tainted or not, to a primitive alien race so they can suck their souls out as food. 'Progressive' that is not, it's cruel and sets a dangerous precedent that Rotbart is willing to do anything to obtain that edge over his enemies, even if almost everybody else disagrees with it. And normally that might not be a bad thing, but this is going too far. And I think the fact so many factions are willing to vote against it is a good thing. It means the other Trust members are standing by their principles . And that is what this vote is about.

Do we stand by our principles and morals or are we willing to sacrifice people for power and knowledge, just like so many others have. How many Choas cultists were willing to sacrifice people for knowledge and power? And even the Emperor was willing to kill thousands and more just to extinguish religions so he could maybe weaken the Chaos Gods so they could be killed or die.

This may be our best chance to get more than the banishment runes, but I don't think we need to. And if we do, the situation can always be revisited, possibly with more support and understanding of the mechanics of their runes.
 
[x] Plan Unified Front

I object to the Siren trade on the simple principals of we are willing to trade living humans, chaos tainted or not, to a primitive alien race so they can suck their souls out as food. 'Progressive' that is not, it's cruel and sets a dangerous precedent that Rotbart is willing to do anything to obtain that edge over his enemies, even if almost everybody else disagrees with it. And normally that might not be a bad thing, but this is going too far. And I think the fact so many factions are willing to vote against it is a good thing. It means the other Trust members are standing by their principles . And that is what this vote is about.

Do we stand by our principles and morals or are we willing to sacrifice people for power and knowledge, just like so many others have. How many Choas cultists were willing to sacrifice people for knowledge and power? And even the Emperor was willing to kill thousands and more just to extinguish religions so he could maybe weaken the Chaos Gods so they could be killed or die.

This may be our best chance to get more than the banishment runes, but I don't think we need to. And if we do, the situation can always be revisited, possibly with more support and understanding of the mechanics of their runes.

Chaos cultists may be human but they are less humane than the bloody Orks. The principles they are standing on are deeply stupid.
 
[x] Plan Unified Front

I object to the Siren trade on the simple principals of we are willing to trade living humans, chaos tainted or not, to a primitive alien race so they can suck their souls out as food. 'Progressive' that is not, it's cruel and sets a dangerous precedent that Rotbart is willing to do anything to obtain that edge over his enemies, even if almost everybody else disagrees with it. And normally that might not be a bad thing, but this is going too far. And I think the fact so many factions are willing to vote against it is a good thing. It means the other Trust members are standing by their principles . And that is what this vote is about.

Do we stand by our principles and morals or are we willing to sacrifice people for power and knowledge, just like so many others have. How many Choas cultists were willing to sacrifice people for knowledge and power? And even the Emperor was willing to kill thousands and more just to extinguish religions so he could maybe weaken the Chaos Gods so they could be killed or die.

This may be our best chance to get more than the banishment runes, but I don't think we need to. And if we do, the situation can always be revisited, possibly with more support and understanding of the mechanics of their runes.
Ok few things.

1. This is a mercy, their souls are damned and rightly so, they die they get to go to chaos and literally feed the trolls destroying the universe, this way their souls are purified, cleansed and shat out as clean energy.
2. The Imperial Truth and the emperor religion purging idiocy was BS, every know knows that, that's not how the warp works.
3. Principles and morals, sure this is still 40K, we may not like it, but it works the Imperium worked for thousands of years and we are not even 1 iota a fucked up as them even if we did this on a massive scale with (10,000 psyker children a day keeps the death away) who were innocent which chaos Cultists are bloody not. We at the moment make 200 Cultists per year. 200. hundred.
4. Not everyone, just everyone who doesn't have as good an understanding as we do (meta knowledge) as shown by the fact that the admech, Inquisition, Muspelhiem and Niflehiem stand with us. The others have their reasons, but they never had their world overrun by Daemons and had to kill an entire 1/3rd of their population after wards (well Garp did, but we can turn him for a reason)
5. This is possibly our best chance to get our hands on non chaos rune sorcery (probably not old one, possibly derivative)

In short I have no troubles handing over 200 traitors to humanity to the Sirens in fact I'm angry we're doing it only because we don't get to punish them as they so richly deserved. Instead of eternal toil for the species they betrayed they get to be purified and returned to the warp in a clean form, in fact the only thing the Eclisarchy got right is that burning is an appropriate albeit useless punishment for these traitors.

And before you start, please answer me this, if we had 200 Eldar sitting ready to exchange instead of 200 traitors to humanity would you do it?

I'm not angry, your reasons are your reasons and normally I'd be backing you, but to spit in the primordial annihilator's eye and profit from it?

Yeah I'd do this.
 
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