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Lisa: The Hintful
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Can't find the source now. Though it's mentioned elsewhere, nobody lists the source. It's some of the older fluff, though.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Can't find the source now. Though it's mentioned elsewhere, nobody lists the source. It's some of the older fluff, though.
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- nowhere
we got burned for something very similar when we first started the idea of the education exchange for being overly arrogant. if we were to do this again model it as we did with the trust
Godzillaslayer10
I am ready for this quest!
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- Somewhere
Come to think of it. I am so glad Avernus wiped Garkill out of existence when it did. He was already reaching Ghazkull's intelligence when he died. I am really really, really glad he's died before G&M woke up.
[X] Plan Preparing for the Green Tide
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
...I wonder if Avernus wiped him out for other reasons than the cyclonic torpedo now.
Hmm.
Only that we better get everything if they get all the variants. That was so many slots of Tranth actions.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Lets see, Terminator Armour, the actually unbreakable angel steel (which we can probably produce en mass maybe even enough for whole suits) the forges we are missing blood shard bolts, Baal predator, Technomancy, maybe Librarian dreadnaughts if we have them.
All that for the designs which they probably can't produce en mass, yeah I think we do ok in this deal...
Still not too happy about it.
I'm just happy that we are going to possibly get the OK for getting more stuff from the Sirens. I always dreamed of Avernus turning into such a psychic power house Prospero would wet itself with pure envy. Which of course means the Guard gets an ever stronger librarium.
Eat your heart out Magnus, we will have the best psychic legion.
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- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
Look, the reason that we're not doing that is because it is so politically untenable that we know the trust would react horribly even without asking them, bringing it up openly just loses us political capital.
It is also not very useful for groups without lots of psykers to go around.
Wait until after everyone is drowning in daemons a couple of times, then people will be desperate enough to accept it.
I understand that fully, which is why Enjou is levying the current crisis to bring it up. I'm excited we're finally here.
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- Australia
I've updated my plan to include navigator genes and exclude berserk gas. Notifying Chaos is still completely off the menu. People, I think, are forgetting that they are Chaos. They do not prepare for threats in the same way, by just hunkering down and fortifying. They will likely raid for slaves in preparation to conduct grand rituals and do other evil Chaos shit to other polities in order to increase their odds of their own survival, even at the expense of others.
I am also leaving aside the possibility of trading human souls to the Sirens. Many of the other polities of the Imperial Trust would already be very uneasy at the idea of us trading for xenos warplore. Now is not a good time to throw further fuel on the fire by suggesting that we should start feeding them cultists as well. If we ever start doing that, we need to ease into it. We already have a reputation for radicalism and increasing it will only hinder us more.
I am also leaving aside the possibility of trading human souls to the Sirens. Many of the other polities of the Imperial Trust would already be very uneasy at the idea of us trading for xenos warplore. Now is not a good time to throw further fuel on the fire by suggesting that we should start feeding them cultists as well. If we ever start doing that, we need to ease into it. We already have a reputation for radicalism and increasing it will only hinder us more.
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We are at the point where warning Chaos seems a reasonable thing to do... Also the write in Enjou is using is about as much easing into it a possible.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
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- Australia
I have already explained why warning Chaos can end up reducing the local area's ability to fight Chaos, not simply that it does. Do not simply say "warning Chaos is reasonable". Back it up with rationale which addresses my points.
If we bring up the topic at a later time rather than right now when we're going through with a Siren trade for xenos warplore, that would be easing into it as much as possible.
Another person completely ignoring what I've written. I at least back up my claims with reason and logic, not the shit argument of "period".
The fact that Surt is bringing it up, unless you want to posit that he is a fool for contemplating it the idea is at least reasonable.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
If they try to raid us, they will very much regret it.
And the more Orks they kill, the less Orks we face.
I consider weakening a potential From Beyond level threat as a priority beyond all. TBSL is that bad.
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- Australia
Whether or not Dragon's Nest would be fine with the idea wouldn't change that warning them would be a bad idea.
There is more to the local area than the Imperial Trust. They could go after isolated Dragon's Nest worlds or worlds belonging to smaller and weaker xenos and human empires. Those Chaos polities would have a higher chance of survival, but the weakening of those other worlds will end up reducing the combined total war effort against the Orks. This isn't even mentioning the fact that driving Chaos to such acts by warning them is a horrendously immoral thing.
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- United States of America, Michigan
Then let's become a demon prince of chaos because that gives us another edge /sarcasm. Sometimes you just have to put principles ahead of what gives you the most advantages especially when dealing with chaos.
They are Chaos, predatory by nature. They would do that regardless. No one is expecting them to be nicer for the warning given.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
*shrugs*
Okay. They're not us, and we need as many Orks dead as possible.
While I have considered it, we're on Avernus, so that's not a good idea.
Would advocate for it otherwise.
And no, I am not joking. I am that worried.
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- Australia
They would not do it as intensely and thoroughly. If raid intensity is at level 5 now, it'll go up to level 10 after we warn them and stay at that point until they're destroyed by the Orks. The amount of Orks the forces of Chaos kills will increase, but that's more than counterbalanced by the decrease in kills other planets/polities will inflict. Furthermore, the increased raid intensity will soften those other planets up, making them easier to take for the Orks, which means they'll be able to set up and ramp up industry much more quickly than they'd otherwise be able to.
The end result is that we have more surviving Chaos polities than there would be otherwise, less surviving non-Chaos polities than there would be otherwise, and quite possibly more Ork worlds after capturing the planets weakened by Chaos.
My opinion of you is quite poor right now. You have failed to address my points three times now, sticking stubbornly to your non-argument of "it helps because I say so". I will not speak to you any further.
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I disagree with your assessment. While individual cultists may place doing the most harm above their survival any long lasting Chaos polity must needs do the reverse. They will focus on not dying to orks that they may continue to serve their gods rather than come to them in shame and failure.
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- Australia
Your mistake here is in thinking that "doing the most harm" and "putting their survival above all else" are different things when it comes to Chaos. What does raiding other polities do? It gives Chaos slaves, which increases the amount of daemon stuff they can do by sacrificing them and provides a larger workforce for them to exploit. This simultaneously harms other polities while increasing their chance of survival.
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Maybe Enjou is right and it won't be a singular Beast arising. Another likelihood is that all Waaghs now start at From Beyond right off the bat, probably need Ridcully to plop down a Greater Divination on the Orks to confirm or deny though.
We really do need to know the difference.
We really do need to know the difference.