Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Why kill them when I can cure them, I refuse to believe that most of them want to work for the Red Court knowing what they are (Use FSB)

A chance at redemption before jumping to killing people is the Carpenter family rule when it comes to stuff like this.

Plus, if we really need to remove someone, then an extradimensional prison colony in Sanctuary is doable.
 
How does the vote to cure people account for those who are just corrupt assholes?
Good point

[X] Plan To Each According to their beliefs
-[X] Using Sutra cyber infiltration and the Crown learn the following
--[X] Who is subverted by Red Court
--[X] What is the list of reasons people in Colombian government and military serve Red Court
--[X] Who serves due to which reason
-[X] Deal with each thrall according to the reason they serve
--[X] Punish those who serve willingly, such as using sutra to obtain and publish evidence of their crimes
--[X] Offer protection or escape to those serving under threat to themselves or their families
--[X] Cure those afflicted (use MiS and FSB)
--[X] Educate those who serve unknowingly (not about Red Court identity, but about them being subverted at all)
-[X] Call in Fellowship of St. Giles - it's a good way for them to serve to benefit from MiS, and should blunt the "Fivefold Courts are invading" panic someone will inevitably have



So, something like this, I guess? A more granulated plan
 
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I'm wondering if we'll ever find the time to reward Usum. Without him, Harry would a magical potato from Soulgaze intro molly soul. And other problems that come with it. Plus, he's really useful in many places. But how to reward him is of course a question.

Secondly... I really hope this isn't an arc about us taking over South America. We might have to do that to keep the Fomorians out. But that shouldn't be done now.
 
I'm wondering if we'll ever find the time to reward Usum. Without him, Harry would a magical potato from Soulgaze intro molly soul. And other problems that come with it. Plus, he's really useful in many places. But how to reward him is of course a question.
Fairly sure Usum is being rewarded already with a high position in the Fivefold Courts. Plus, he is a core part of our soul hierarchy.
Secondly... I really hope this isn't an arc about us taking over South America. We might have to do that to keep the Fomorians out. But that shouldn't be done now.
I think this might be an arc about setting up... not exactly conquest, but certainly a remodelling of some South American countries.

Or, really, this seems to be an arc about establishing international drug trade empire. We already got Marcone as distributor in Chicago, and Red Court probably stands behind at least some cartels in Colombia.
 
Fairly sure Usum is being rewarded already with a high position in the Fivefold Courts. Plus, he is a core part of our soul hierarchy.

I think this might be an arc about setting up... not exactly conquest, but certainly a remodelling of some South American countries.

Or, really, this seems to be an arc about establishing international drug trade empire. We already got Marcone as distributor in Chicago, and Red Court probably stands behind at least some cartels in Colombia.
I'm not sure if he has an official title. But now I wonder what he does in his free time if he has a body inside the soul world.

And it looks like it. The Infernals are truly masters of evil and cunning. We are definitely destroying a lot of jobs with this.. /s

But speaking of time... I still think that Molly's powers are progressing abnormally fast even for an Exalt. Because she is a PС. And perhaps all the powers of the setting who knew the truth expected a slower progression and so they delayed their attacks until it was too late.
 
But speaking of time... I still think that Molly's powers are progressing abnormally fast even for an Exalt. Because she is a PС. And perhaps all the powers of the setting who knew the truth expected a slower progression and so they delayed their attacks until it was too late.
Molly is not just an exalt. Molly is an exalt dropped at the turn of Ages, in the world set up for an Apocalypse over a long time, in direct proximity of a person whose fate it was to choose whether the world lived or died. In-story XP is pretty much "grow through adversity". It's not really surprising she is growing explosively. And yes, I am fairly sure no one present understands how this is happening, or where this is going. Some of the Walkers might remember, but pretty much no one else.
 
[X] Yog

@Yog I think there's a framing problem in your vote. Punishment isn't the goal here, fixing things is.

I'm all for checking levels of involvement before acting, but we shouldn't be being more or less harsh on the basis of some sort of karmic balance. If someone is a willing collaborator they should just be removed in whatever way is most expedient (within the bounds of wartime ethics) at the time.

I'm wondering if we'll ever find the time to reward Usum. Without him, Harry would a magical potato from Soulgaze intro molly soul. And other problems that come with it. Plus, he's really useful in many places. But how to reward him is of course a question.

Secondly... I really hope this isn't an arc about us taking over South America. We might have to do that to keep the Fomorians out. But that shouldn't be done now.
Molly is Usum and Usum is Molly at this point. He's an exalted demon so his concept of identity already accounts for this situation.

I think we reward him by listening to him.

As to the conquest stuff, we don't actually need to take over fully or anything. Just drive out the malign supernatural interests so the people who live here can sort the rest out.

The secret to not becoming a despised colonial overlord is to not colonize people.
 
@Yog I think there's a framing problem in your vote. Punishment isn't the goal here, fixing things is.

I'm all for checking levels of involvement before acting, but we shouldn't be being more or less harsh on the basis of some sort of karmic balance. If someone is a willing collaborator they should just be removed in whatever way is most expedient (within the bounds of wartime ethics) at the time.
I can see the issue. Ok. Would the word "deal with" or "remove" work better (which would be better)?

There is, however, a goal to punishment - we want to establish that we are the good guy here, but that we have teeth, and if you willingly collaborate with Red Court, you'll be dealt with, harshly. "If they threaten you or your family, come to me, I'll protect you. If you try to exploit people out of pure greed, I'll destroy you" is not a bad message.
 
If you try to exploit people out of pure greed, I'll destroy you" is not a bad message.
Can you be clear? Is this part from the previous winning plan "punishment"? If so can you put it in this plan?

Call on Sutra cyber crimes experts to establish a beachhead on earth and collect or fabricate evidence of serious crimes committed by those people then leak them.
 
Adhoc vote count started by BoredMan on Dec 28, 2024 at 3:08 PM, finished with 51 posts and 22 votes.

  • [X] Why kill them when I can cure them, I refuse to believe that most of them want to work for the Red Court knowing what they are (Use FSB)
    [X] As many as it takes (Continue with the plan, expand it to include all back ups)
    [X] Plan To Each According to their beliefs
    -[X] Using Sutra cyber infiltration and the Crown learn the following
    --[X] Who is subverted by Red Court
    --[X] What is the list of reasons people in Colombian government and military serve Red Court
    --[X] Who serves due to which reason
    -[X] Deal with each thrall according to the reason they serve
    --[X] Punish those who serve willingly
    --[X] Offer protection or escape to those serving under threat to themselves or their families
    --[X] Cure those afflicted (use MiS and FSB)
    --[X] Educate those who serve unknowingly (not about Red Court identity, but about them being subverted at all)
    -[X] Call in Fellowship of St. Giles - it's a good way for them to serve to benefit from MiS, and should blunt the "Fivefold Courts are invading" panic someone will inevitably have
    [X] Plan: Sight Beyond Sight
    -[X] Use the crown on an assembled dossier on Augustin. "Who else is a willing collaborator with the red Court in the Colombian government?"
    -[X] Use the crown on a photo of the administrative Capitol buildings in Bolivar Square. "Who in the Colombian government is addicted to Red Venom?"
    --[X] Why not both? If they appear on first list expand the plan to cover them. If they appear in the second list subvert them with FSB. Cut the Reds off at the knees.
 
[] Why kill them when I can cure them, I refuse to believe that most of them want to work for the Red Court knowing what they are (Use FSB)
1. We know the Reds use multiple layers of control, not just the addiction. Like keeping family hostage
2. The Reds have deep deep deep hooks in the area, even if we flip people, they'll just get removed without even slowing the Reds down much as they use different puppets instead
3. On the other hand we are supernaturally persuasive so we can probably buy enough time to fort up.

Honestly though, my biggest issue with this option is that it doesn't sound fun
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 28, 2024 at 3:45 PM, finished with 54 posts and 22 votes.

  • [X] Why kill them when I can cure them, I refuse to believe that most of them want to work for the Red Court knowing what they are (Use FSB)
    [X] As many as it takes (Continue with the plan, expand it to include all back ups)
    [X] Plan To Each According to their beliefs
    -[X] Using Sutra cyber infiltration and the Crown learn the following
    --[X] Who is subverted by Red Court
    --[X] What is the list of reasons people in Colombian government and military serve Red Court
    --[X] Who serves due to which reason
    -[X] Deal with each thrall according to the reason they serve
    --[X] Punish those who serve willingly, such as using sutra to obtain and publish evidence of their crimes
    --[X] Offer protection or escape to those serving under threat to themselves or their families
    --[X] Cure those afflicted (use MiS and FSB)
    --[X] Educate those who serve unknowingly (not about Red Court identity, but about them being subverted at all)
    -[X] Call in Fellowship of St. Giles - it's a good way for them to serve to benefit from MiS, and should blunt the "Fivefold Courts are invading" panic someone will inevitably have
    [X] Plan: Sight Beyond Sight
    -[X] Use the crown on an assembled dossier on Augustin. "Who else is a willing collaborator with the red Court in the Colombian government?"
    -[X] Use the crown on a photo of the administrative Capitol buildings in Bolivar Square. "Who in the Colombian government is addicted to Red Venom?"
    --[X] Why not both? If they appear on first list expand the plan to cover them. If they appear in the second list subvert them with FSB. Cut the Reds off at the knees.
 
Arc 15 Post 31: Against the Blood New
Against the Blood

3rd of March 2007 A.D.

Deciding you are going to cure dozens of people of a supernatural addiction that has plagued this part of the world since time immemorial is the easy part, the hard part... well according to Martin the hard part is everything else. Getting into a room with the target without any listening devices or other compromised personnel, convincing them that you are on the level, actually curing them...

"I can handle those two, I'm convincing."

A tired laugh echoes from the other side "You don't say? That still leaves keeping them from getting re-addicted as soon as their handler realizes whatever you did to ween them off it."

"They'll be immune," you clarify.

It's clear he had started off humoring you. The idea of sparing Red Court assets just because killing is wrong painfully naive to his ears. It is not that the Fellowship never tries to turn them, but the process is long term and varies wildly in success.

Grimy steel rooms wit narrow windows piercing rays of sunlight upon a face drawn with pain and nameless hunger... You shake away the memory, part of you wishing that you hadn't asked for a video recording of their methods.

He is not humoring you now. "That still leaves the problem that you'd have to walk up to each decision maker to make your pitch. If Duke Emiliano notices you moving in he is going to start removing your new assets and he has more bullets to spend than you do hours in the day to spend on this. I'm going to have to figure out a way to draw them in one place to make the change over, some kind of retreat or a religious occasion, something important enough for so many to attend, but which no true vampire could observe in person."

"You don't have to do this. I was just asking for advice," you insist, but Martin is adamant.

"It would be a good demonstration of both your power and your intentions to the leaders of the Fellowship. I'm going to need some operatives, preferably ones that speak Spanish but I can make due as long as they have good discipline."

I'm not actually helping enact a coup, you tell yourself as you order the transdimensional intelligence agency to send people over for stake out and infiltration purposes. It is going to be a week or two before Martin's arranged the meeting , though at least that means once this goes off, if it goes off well you should have no problem securing land rights for the Gate.

In a sense the jungle spirits being active on your side has also solved the problem of more military encounters. It's the rain forest. There is never a time of year when heavy rain and winds aren't at least vaguely within the purview of the some spirit drawing its power from the waters of the amazon and the rain shadow of the Andes.

While Martin is attempting to organize the meeting you asked of him what do you do?

[] Continue with the Fortress action
-[] Write in how

[] Move on to another of your plans this week, you will return to this one when the plan is right
-[] Write in which

[] Write in


OOC: Just having Molly try to to a one person plot here would risk the reds getting wise to you. This way you can talk to all of them at once. leveraging your charms and it has the added benefit of usng one of the people you recruited last month. No rolls for this one
 
OOC: Just having Molly try to to a one person plot here would risk the reds getting wise to you. This way you can talk to all of them at once. leveraging your charms and it has the added benefit of usng one of the people you recruited last month. No rolls for this one
Would it help if we kill the Handler?

I mean, how good is the Red Court at reports and record-keeping?
If we remove the highest Rampire involved with a specific asset, will the Red Kind still know that person was an asset?
 

A tired laugh echoes from the other side "You don't say? That still leaves keeping them from getting re-addicted as soon as their handler realizes whatever you did to ween them off it."

"They'll be immune," you clarify.
Martin should have expected this answer, considering Molly could easily suppress his parasite and remove the parasite from Susan. Seriously, man, she does things that are far more impressive in terms of magical mojo than making people immune to drug spit.
 
Would it help if we kill the Handler?

I mean, how good is the Red Court at reports and record-keeping?
If we remove the highest Rampire involved with a specific asset, will the Red Kind still know that person was an asset?

Yes, these people are important enough that multiple high order vampires know who they are and the rough details of the organization

Martin should have expected this answer, considering Molly could easily suppress his parasite and remove the parasite from Susan. Seriously, man, she does things that are far more impressive in terms of magical mojo than making people immune to drug spit.

The way you explained suppressing the parasite would not have applied to this.
 
[X] Plan Daedalus
-[X] Continue with the Fortress action
--[X] Lead and participate the construction of defensive fortifications and enchantments, primarily on the Courts side
--[X] Activate your whole enchantment package: Shintai (while inside the courts), WHWH, BSM, FPoR, MHM and Lord of the Land for large scale construction
--[X] Maintain Leadership, Occult, and Craft excellencies as needed
--[X] Involve enchanters from the Courts, and Olivia (for mana manipulation) to work on the project
--[X] Work with the spirit for whom it is to be a body, like the train is for Porter.
---[X] Use Proxy Servant Protocol to expand the crafting and magic dicepools of the craftsmen involved, and Source Code Compliance Protocol (with essence expenditure) to lower magical DC
--[X] Stunt: in your mind, gears whirl, a multidimensional fractal mosaic of interlocking details coming together in a union of magic and technology, of half-remembered flashes of ancient insight and the vision of a future yet to come. Projected into mortally comprehensible dimensions it is a body of a god, a fortress for those manning it, a logistics hub for the products moved in and out, a weapon to be aimed at invaders, a Labyrinth. It would normally take you days to even start explaining your plan to those assembled before you, brilliant as they are, called from all corners of your soul for a chance to work directly under you. But that is not needed, when they are, in effect, also part of the design, as it stretches in one more not just spatial, but temporal direction. Still, bolstered by your leadership, and equipped with the best tools possible, you speak of what you are constructing.


Basically, mechanical-magical large scale defensive labyrinth-fortress thingy. I was inspired by three things:
1) Geofront of Evangelion fame
2) The fact that we have the whole thing for Labyrinths - they are neat, and conceptually impactful
3) That Autochton is also artifice as well as artificer.
4) Various "clockwork automata" fictions

I am not saying "build mini-autochtonia", i am not that ambitious, but that's the inspiration I am taking. For the functionality - it needs to provide defenses for the defenders, attack and trap the attackers, and serve the logistical needs if we transport things in and out. It is deliberately left fairly vague. It is also to serve as a master class for our enchanters and craftsmen, so we can reinforce their loyalty by getting to participate in a project like this.

I want to see what we can do when going totally all out in a large scale crafting projects with willing magical support. We kinda did this with Porter, but that was on a down low, really. I want to see the full extent of what we can do.

EDIT: Did some edits and expansions.
 
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