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[X] Cia Steblin, confidant pyromancer. Zeta (11)
[X] Cia Steblin, confidant pyromancer. Zeta (11)
Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
- Thread starter Neablis
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@Neablis I recall you saying that we would only integrate Advanced shielding into the flagship if we had a good success or better because we will have already started the ship but... what forces us to do this? I mean over this five year period we have 3 building actions and 1 research action. Why not just do the research action first and get the results of Advanced Shielding before putting a single bolt in the ship?
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I mean she can try to argue with us and our *checks* 7000 robots about how AI is the devil, but it ain't going to go well for her. Also Vita is literally designed to read social cues, it's not like she can hide her feelings from us. I am worried about many things but regular non-Chaotic crew betrayl is not one of them.
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[X] Plan: Expand your Ship, Vita!
[X] Diplomat-spy: Victan's active action bonus can be applied to all diplomacy rolls, including first contact with a new culture.
[X] Ker Bemsk, awkard telekinetic. Delta (13)
[X] Plan: Improved Manufactories To Build The Ship:
[X] Diplomat-spy: Victan's active action bonus can be applied to all diplomacy rolls, including first contact with a new culture.
[X] Ker Bemsk, awkard telekinetic. Delta (13)
[X] Plan: Improved Manufactories To Build The Ship:
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
I think it might be because we finished the ship design process. And look:
It is in the "equipment" category. Which are among things like the armor (and I think the engines?) that cannot be changed or retrofitted later on (with the exception of the Repair Bay IIRC). So even if we haven't started building it yet, the changes it might require could lead to us having to spend another 200 RP. To redesign the whole ship for a single component. Though tbf, that component will be encompassing the whole ship, so yeah.
Rolling well means probably that Vita manages to find enough free time to redesign parts of the ship to support the new shield design, or alternatively the design is similar enough it slots into the initial design without much need for changes in the blueprint. Or something like that.
Ah... makes sense. Thanks.
Angle
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Realized I didn't do any numerical analysis of the dozen psykers.
Ker Bemsk: Disposition 1, Power 1.3, Specialty 1 = 3.3
Cia Steblin: Disposition 1.2, Power 1.1, Specialty 1 = 3.3
Kezathi Zenza: Disposition 0.8, Power 1.0, Specialty 1.4 = 3.2
Dozen Psykers: Disposition 1, Power 0.5, specialty 1.8 = 3.3
They seem reasonably friendly and stable, but without much potential for getting friendlier the way Ker and Kezathi do. Power is noted as capping out at Iota (8), but I'd dock points just cause we have no reason to expect them to grow. Specialty is high cause they have all the specialties, but again, not clear they can pick up new tricks, so I'd dock them points...
Ker Bemsk: Disposition 1, Power 1.3, Specialty 1 = 3.3
Cia Steblin: Disposition 1.2, Power 1.1, Specialty 1 = 3.3
Kezathi Zenza: Disposition 0.8, Power 1.0, Specialty 1.4 = 3.2
Dozen Psykers: Disposition 1, Power 0.5, specialty 1.8 = 3.3
They seem reasonably friendly and stable, but without much potential for getting friendlier the way Ker and Kezathi do. Power is noted as capping out at Iota (8), but I'd dock points just cause we have no reason to expect them to grow. Specialty is high cause they have all the specialties, but again, not clear they can pick up new tricks, so I'd dock them points...
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You are correct, I was conflating you with the other argument that I was responding to in my first post. You were skeptical of the idea of turning things over to the planet?
It's the next highest priority after finishing the ship for me, yeah. I do want to spend the research and diplo on it, and I think we can do it while expiring the system.
Absolutely yes. I'd like to add to that a set of blueprints for a crewed destroyer and cruiser. Or frigate and cruiser...
That's actually an interesting question, isn't it? What is the best and minimal set of blueprints we can leave with then so they have an efficient fleet when we come back?
Frigates probably as the mainstay, they build fast and you can train a lot of crews on them, so you can take the best ones for promotion when you build your bigger ships. But the cruisers... Probably a big slow armored gunboat, right? It's defending fixed locations so it doesn't need to range or run, it just needs to be able to hurt the bigger things and take hits.
Maybe give them the finished research for the parts (weapon, frigate, etc) and let them design their own ships?
Would maybe have to give them a "basics of space admiralcy" guide so they build something approaching an efficient&effective fleet.
I was skeptical of the notion that we could give them design notes for ships and major void construction capacity without the kind of delay that will make Vita go stir crazy. I'm fine with swinging back around to help, I just don't think we can get them as advanced as you seem to be planning in one go.
Angle
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...What are the odds of us getting a Crew member out of the dozen psykers at some point, y'all think? I mean they'd probably be like, some kind of multiclass character, with maybe half as much psychic power and half of something else, but it might happen...
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Neablis said we can get them later as staff without taking a crew slot fwiw.
yeah, I'm voting for the new crew option, I'm not sure I want another capital C Crew from this planet.
You don't need machine spirits for OMC, they will just make it easier for Denva people to control stuff. Also keep in mind that OMC is the path to letting organics control anything you can build, from installations to ships.
I think somebody else already said it - just how much redesign needs to happen. If you manage to keep the form factor of the improved shields the same then you can slot them in, if they're radically different it'll require a redesign of the hull.
[X] Plan: Expand your Ship, Vita!
[X] Diplomat-spy: Victan's active action bonus can be applied to all diplomacy rolls, including first contact with a new culture.
[X] Ker Bemsk, awkard telekinetic. Delta (13)
I might have preferred the plan using the genetics RP to cover the basics of psytech if needed, since as has been said rolling well on a base tech is very good but not sure how bad it could be if we roll badly, but still a solid plan.
[X] Diplomat-spy: Victan's active action bonus can be applied to all diplomacy rolls, including first contact with a new culture.
[X] Ker Bemsk, awkard telekinetic. Delta (13)
I might have preferred the plan using the genetics RP to cover the basics of psytech if needed, since as has been said rolling well on a base tech is very good but not sure how bad it could be if we roll badly, but still a solid plan.
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That was what I figured - "expected synergies" and all that. The open question is if machine spirits open up an alternative to OMC for highly automated factories that Denva can still use without us. OMC (and definitely OMC plus factory machine spirits) will be better than it by the measure of "how few people can direct how much industry", supposing said alternative exists, this is just me brainstorming options for how we do our industry handoff.
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