Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

On This point there is a bit of a problem with the Redirect plan we just accrued a massive in with the white Council why would we be looking for geomancers help in the North Sea for geomancy when we just literally helped save the organization with the most powerful and numerous geomancers and ward masters on Earth. Instead of just asking them to help us
*Shrug* Politics. Maybe we want at least some people on our payroll who aren't on the White Council's? Also I just realized Odin is probably also aware of the portal due to his relations with the White Council, the Grey Council and the original Merlin.
 
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[X] Hopefully trouble hasn't followed me so far, but there's certainly the wrong kind of interest afoot (Explain Anti-Bob's interest in Odin't actions especially the Kingfisher's purpose)
 
The entirety of the Red Court knows of it or will in short order. It's in their backyard and a major mystically loud event happened at its location.
Some of the Red Court is aware that something happened in the wilderness that is within their area of influence. Few of them know that the Lord of Outer Night died. Very few of them would know about an escaped god. I am almost certain no one in Red Court knows about the portal quite yet.
Edit: The White Council probably also knows of it since they were there when it was made. The WC has issues with spys.
Some members of the senior council know, and shouldn't be speaking about it.
 
I second Yog's concern about giving any hints about the portal down in South America. It won't remain a secret forever, but the longer it does, the better off we'll be.

Also, just because we can do it doesn't mean we should outright lie here. We can talk about tracking Evil Bob's machinations without being dishonest, so long as you don't include lies of omission. The other voting options don't have that advantage.
 
Some of the Red Court is aware that something happened in the wilderness that is within their area of influence. Few of them know that the Lord of Outer Night died. Very few of them would know about an escaped god. I am almost certain no one in Red Court knows about the portal quite yet.
What are you talking about? The portal is viewable. Why would they not investigate the scene? Why would only very few of know about one of their most valuable assets escaping? You sound like your talking with information only the author would have.


Some members of the senior council know, and shouldn't be speaking about it.
Briefings are a thing. We were explicitly told by DP they'd be having them after all of this. Why would the entire senior council not be aware? Like what reason would they have to keep what transpired to themselves? Again as you mentioned recently they also have a spy issue in general.
 
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What are you talking about? The portal is viewable. Why would they not investigate the scene? Why would only very few of know about one of their most valuable assets escaping? You sound like your talking with information only the author would have.
Because it takes time to investigate, and the portal is already manned by our armed forces.

And very few would know of the god escaping because it's politically embarrassing, and Red Court is not a liberal democracy. it's a dictatorship by rule of individual strength. Losing your god battery is a sign of weakness. It's to be concealed, and only disclosed to those that absolutely need to know, and only when they need to know. If you are Red King, you don't tell your vassals (who very much would like to literally eat you) that you lost a valuable asset you at least partially derive strength from.
Briefings are a thing. We were explicitly told by DP they'd be having them after all of this. Why would the entire senior council not be aware? Like what reason would they have to keep what transpired to themselves? Again as you mentioned recently they also have a spy issue in general.
They would try to keep it a secret as a general rule. The factions of DF don't share info in general. Especially not important information that puts their ally in danger.
 
Because it takes time to investigate, and the portal is already manned by our armed forces.
Okay. How much time do they need to investigate? Why do you think they need this much time? The RC was already on the scene. When Molly did what she did BMI wasn't up so everyone in the vicinity (we don't know how far our presence stretches when we do Shintai things) would be well aware something went down and where.

We don't have details on how it's being manned either. It was left to be handled off-screen for the moment IIRC.

And very few would know of the god escaping because it's politically embarrassing, and Red Court is not a liberal democracy. it's a dictatorship by rule of individual strength. Losing your god battery is a sign of weakness. It's to be concealed, and only disclosed to those that absolutely need to know, and only when they need to know. If you are Red King, you don't tell your vassals (who very much would like to literally eat you) that you lost a valuable asset you at least partially derive strength from.
Again. Your speaking as if your privy to information only the author would have. Do you know how their imprisoned gods are managed, tracked and overseen? Do you know how often they feed off of them and how public they are with it? How do you know the fact that they escaped can even be hidden in the first place?

They would try to keep it a secret as a general rule. The factions of DF don't share info in general. Especially not important information that puts their ally in danger
Are you serious? Molly has been significantly involved with the White Council as of late. Why would the senior council not give a full briefing on what happened to themselves? How would Morgan and co get away with keeping important intel from everyone else on the senior council? This doesn't make sense it's not like we asked them to not tell their most trusted friends of equal standing. You can't function as a global organization if you keep everything important a secret from the people in charge which you work closely with and trust.
 
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Both the Summer vote and redirect vote are terrible. Because they focus the attention on the prize. We don't want that. Telling Odin about Bob is not much of a problem, because it doesn't demonstrate Molly's knowledge about the exaltation / the thing in the dragon's belly. It deflects the conversation from us and Odin competing for the prizes to us and Odin cooperating on fighting evil spirits. We don't want Odin to consider us competition.

The redirect plan is terrible in particular. No one knows about the South America portal. No one should be read into South American portal. Please don't disclose vital information.
I second Yog's concern about giving any hints about the portal down in South America. It won't remain a secret forever, but the longer it does, the better off we'll be.

Also, just because we can do it doesn't mean we should outright lie here. We can talk about tracking Evil Bob's machinations without being dishonest, so long as you don't include lies of omission. The other voting options don't have that advantage.
It's a portal to hell torn open by pulling a land god through the gauntlet, the same guy who's resurrection through infernal power has changed the nature of an empire sized chunk of the landmass.

The portal is not subtle and it's all but impossible for it to stay anything approximating secret, especially if we start doing stuff around it.

If you're banking on any kind of security through obscurity for it after we essentially flashed our whole ass at anyone with functional magical senses you should go back to the drawing board.

The problem with the current plan you're voting for is that it directly tells Odin we're in on the game and think this place is relevant to that. The first things he's going to do are highly likely to be ask us for help, putting us in a very awkward position at minimum, and look into anything that can connect this place to what he already knows. Like the enormous current of magical energy drawing a straight line from here to a point within 50 miles of the dragon hunting ship.

There is some value in a slightly early confirmation of the portal from us, but not that much given the context and it should only get that far if this whole area is already deep in Odin's pocket.
 
Also, just because we can do it doesn't mean we should outright lie here. We can talk about tracking Evil Bob's machinations without being dishonest, so long as you don't include lies of omission. The other voting options don't have that advantage.
Also I just realized this. This is a vague statement about how we shouldn't lie or redirect or anything without providing any helpful reasoning as to why you believe we shouldn't. Are you in the camp of people who don't have an issue with Odin getting exactly what's he's after here at the possible expense of us not having the opportunity to ourselves? If an Exaltation is on the line are you fine with Odin getting it instead?
 
Also I just realized this. This is a vague statement about how we shouldn't lie or redirect or anything without providing any helpful reasoning as to why you believe we shouldn't. Are you in the camp of people who don't have an issue with Odin getting exactly what's he's after here at the possible expense of us not having the opportunity to ourselves? If an Exaltation is on the line are you fine with Odin getting it instead?
No, I just don't want to get in the habit of lying unnecessarily when whatever lies we tell now are likely to be revealed to be untrue in relatively short order, and by a faction we are on friendly terms with.

I don't care much at all about lying to enemies, and if whatever stories we tell here were unlikely to ever be revealed as fabrications, I also wouldn't mind that.

Making up shit to tell them now is at best a band-aid solution and one that damages our credibility in the long-term.

As for other Exaltations, I don't want any others in the setting and could probably be convinced to vote to murder anyone who tries to release one, if we can get away with it.
 
No, I just don't want to get in the habit of lying unnecessarily when whatever lies we tell now are likely to be revealed to be untrue in relatively short order, and by a faction we are on friendly terms with.

I don't care much at all about lying to enemies, and if whatever stories we tell here were unlikely to ever be revealed as fabrications, I also wouldn't mind that.

Making up shit to tell them now is at best a band-aid solution and one that damages our credibility in the long-term.

As for other Exaltations, I don't want any others in the setting and could probably be convinced to vote to murder anyone who tries to release one, if we can get away with it.
I don't get it. Why do you think people will figure we aren't being entirely upfront later? I'm referring to Degorium or BronzeTongue's plan not the base one presented. Not saying your concern is unwarranted but I'm not following the logic.

Noted.
 
Okay. How much time do they need to investigate? Why do you think they need this much time? The RC was already on the scene. When Molly did what she did BMI wasn't up so everyone in the vicinity (we don't know how far our presence stretches when we do Shintai things) would be well aware something went down and where.

We don't have details on how it's being manned either. It was left to be handled off-screen for the moment IIRC.
They would need to visit the site (is it guarded on Earthside already?), and probably travel through a portal and back to see where it goes.
Again. Your speaking as if your privy to information only the author would have. Do you know how their imprisoned gods are managed, tracked and overseen? Do you know how often they feed off of them and how public they are with it? How do you know the fact that they escaped can even be hidden in the first place?
I am speaking based on our knowledge of what kind of organization Red Court is, nothing more.
Are you serious? Molly has been significantly involved with the White Council as of late. Why would the senior council not give a full briefing on what happened to themselves? How would Morgan and co get away with keeping important intel from everyone else on the senior council? This doesn't make sense it's not like we asked them to not tell their most trusted friends of equal standing. You can't function as a global organization if you keep everything important a secret from the people in charge which you work closely with and trust.
I think there might be a miscommunication here. I do not doubt senior council knows about the portal. What I doubt is that Odin got information from them, or will get it from them.
 
I don't get it. Why do you think people will figure we aren't being entirely upfront later? I'm referring to Degorium or BronzeTongue's plan not the base one presented. Not saying your concern is unwarranted but I'm not following the logic.

Noted.
That's just how things go, IMO.

This isn't a random mook we're talking to. What we tell the Valkyrie will get back to Odin pretty much as soon as we leave here, and he isn't going to believe that we coincidentally showed up here when he just happened to have a research vessel a few miles offshore searching for a hidden Dragon and it's treasure.

Best to assume competence on behalf of our opposition, especially when the opposition in this case is a god like Odin.
 
They would need to visit the site (is it guarded on Earthside already?), and probably travel through a portal and back to see where it goes.
They don't need to know where it goes immediately to know it's there and that it's a portal. We don't know if it's guarded on Earth side. This was delegated to a Clone, Regina I think her name was, for the moment IIRC. We never gave specifics.

I am speaking based on our knowledge of what kind of organization Red Court is, nothing more
The entire basis of your argument is built on the assumption that they even have the option of hiding a missing god in the first place. We do not know this. Only the author does. So no this is false.

I think there might be a miscommunication here. I do not doubt senior council knows about the portal. What I doubt is that Odin got information from them, or will get it from them.
Yeah. The post you respond to was talking about the senior council not Odin so that seems to be the case. That said Odin is a member of the Grey Council. You need to provide a reason for why nobody would tell a close and trust ally about what happened in South America. An ally they trusted enough to help them root out other traitors to the council. That would require that the wizards keep him in the loop with traitor related developments, which Molly in general played a key role in during that Arc.
 
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That's just how things go, IMO.

This isn't a random mook we're talking to. What we tell the Valkyrie will get back to Odin pretty much as soon as we leave here, and he isn't going to believe that we coincidentally showed up here when he just happened to have a research vessel a few miles offshore searching for a hidden Dragon and it's treasure.

Best to assume competence on behalf of our opposition, especially when the opposition in this case is a god like Odin.
That's a bit defeatist bro... I made Tattletale comparisons earlier but Odin is on the Grey Council and things still ended up as bad as it did. A coincidence in meeting is as viable as any other explanation, Molly clearly has great intel gathering capabilities but the details on that are sparse. He doesn't have to inevitably figure out that we knew of the dragon and or dragon blooded before coming here or that the boat is associated with Odin/Monoc.
 
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Why do you guys think anyone would need to visit to know what happened? The white council noticed the moment we stepped into the FCF for the first time, and there's no reason for them to be the only one.

You could argue this event isn't as significant as that one was, but it's indisputably lasting longer over a wider area.

Mallko has Molly!cooties all over him and that is going to seep into all of Peru, and parts of Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina, and Chile. The opening to a hell should itself be detectable at a significant distance too, based on what we've seen, but even if it wasn't that would be enough.

Remember how the nevernever works:

The Nevernever touches the Mortal world in places where they have something in common, a resonance of energies. If a point in the Nevernever is a dark and spooky place, then it touches a dark and spooky place in the mortal world. But, maybe five feet over, it's only sad, and that leads to a place in a cemetery on the other side of the country.[1]
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The big and important stuff is probably the same, it's likely that Molly indirectly rearranged the spiritual face of a South America when she tore it a new orifice.

You can't just prolapse a continent and expect people to miss it.
 
[X] Hopefully trouble hasn't followed me so far, but there's certainly the wrong kind of interest afoot (Explain Anti-Bob's interest in Odin't actions especially the Kingfisher's purpose)
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 9, 2024 at 10:37 AM, finished with 46 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] Hopefully trouble hasn't followed me so far, but there's certainly the wrong kind of interest afoot (Explain Anti-Bob's interest in Odin't actions especially the Kingfisher's purpose)
    [X] No trouble, I was just following up on a lead I got from the Summer a couple months ago now that I had a free moment, then my own curiosity, it is uncommon to see works of magic so deeply entwined with those of modern engineering (Try to flatter them)
    [X] Plan Redirect
    -[X] excellencies, FPoR, and any other applicable buff.
    -[X] Attempt to imply that Molly is in the market for the assistance geomancers for something involving the portal in South America, but doesn't want to completely spill the beans to a third party.
    -[X] [Stunt]: Molly replied, the words leaving an aftertaste like sapphire and subtle laughter as they left her mouth. "No trouble, not unless you count aftermath".
    —[X] "Lets just say I've got a bit of a real estate problem I'm looking for expert assistance with"
 
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Of Pyres and Dead Things

26st of February 2007 A.D.

"Hopefully trouble hasn't followed me so far, but there's certainly the wrong kind of interest afoot..." You go on to explain what you had found following the thread that Gard's watcher had left you on, hesitating only a little as you set on the proverbial table, more like a steam pot set to simmer, what might be thought of as state secrets. Eh... if the Pentagon didn't want mercenaries and odd family lines in Iceland to know about their systems being compromised they shouldn't have allowed them it.

"Draugr," Ragnhildur twists unpleasantly at the mention of the Black Court and your mind instantly goes to the trailer for the new Elder Scrolls. From the look on Kristin's face you aren't the only one. Still both of you manage a straight face as her grandmother continues: "Always trying to dig up history and use it to their own ends. I heard there was some of that in Edinburgh as well where the witch-folk held court and did battle. Never a good sign when their lot start learning the ways of the world though."

"What do you mean?" you out forth, always eager to for a fresh perspective on old troubles.

"Well they're dead aren't they, can't learn new things, can't really fit more into those rotten skulls of theirs that wasn't there when they were alive? Oh they can manage names and places and dates, plots and atrocities, but ways of thinking or understanding of artifice, that's as far beyond them as wings to a mud-wrom. Even language... they struggle with the ways it changes in the mouths of living folk and have to tear it from our minds when the lose themselves to the 'long sleeps'. Death will have its due on them for thieves."

"You seem quite knowledgeable about them..."

"Fire is a good friend in dark wanderings." The elderly woman snaps her fingers and a spark appears on the tips of her fingers. "It's been a while since I sailed the seas and walked the world, mayhap its time to change that. At least I wouldn't be going alone..."

Kristin says something out of which you only catch the name 'Grindavík' to which she replies with a mysterious smile.

"Bah, my kid think I've grown lichen on my backside like an old boulder. Now I know it's been too long. Any idea where this corpse-master might be hiding?"

At first you open your mouth to say no, but then you remember Nathanael Cobbler or at least the shadow in his flesh you met in Vegas, he had been under the command of a greater evil, one that almost wrested his essence from you as the spirit of dark intellect was freed from the NSA systems and Iris's chase.

"Egypt, if it's anywhere on Earth it's in Egypt."

Speaking of language changing the way the matriarch mutters curses under her breath has a distinctly different feel to it than the Icelandic you heard around you in the city. Still it's understandable enough her her granddaughter —though there are most likely some more 'greats' in the— to give her a scandalized look. Ragnhildur turns to the Chooser to the Slain and says without preamble, there's your price then crow's daughter, help us pick the eyes of that corpse and set them to embers and you'll have our pledge to your master's working.

"What working?"

"To wake the Fire Serpent, that out liege might speak to him of the thing which he guards, once we find him at least," the valkyrie speaks. "Even as the memories of the dragonblood stretch it has been a long time since he coiled down onto a bed to stone to slumber and pulled the water over his head."

A thought comes to out like lightning from the blue, to the dragonblooded know that the thing the dragon guards, the treasure Odin wants might is the very thing that allowed their bloodline to endure. One would hope so, but you can't help but recall that the Old Man is known for trickery second only to Loki. How to you even ask that without coming off as hostile... and given all the debts you already owe.

What do you do?

[] Ask to speak to one of the parties individually
-[] Ragnhildur
-[] The valkyrie

[] Try to poke around the matter and ascertain what they know without outright asking (Manipulation+Empathy)

[] Write in


OOC: No rolls for this one, we have already established a baseline and since you guys choose to be forthcoming the reactions flowed naturally.
 
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[X] Ask to speak to one of the parties individually
-[X] Ragnhildur


Cause like… I like Odin but… he's still a dick, and we probably can help them either way
 
There you go; sharing what we had on the current situation openly put our opposition in the lead, potentially to the point that we get completely left out in the cold.

This is why you don't redirect by sharing actionable information on the topic at hand. Especially before you know what everyone else is doing.

Every time we go in to have a hug and sing kumbaya with Odin he will run through our pockets for loose change. He sits on our side of the community picnic, but business is business.

We shouldn't be hostile, be we need to be competitive.
 
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