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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange
[X] Truth and Reconciliation

I just want the Tacitus Tech and no more hatred between humans. Dont care for a singular human goverment.
 
MSH said:
It would be better to sacrifice tiberium than the tech trade. In fact, I think that's an entirely fair position.
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It seems fairly likely that much of the technology will be useless to us for the foreseeable future without STUs, and without tiberium, our STU supply becomes negligible. Do we have time, knowing the Visitors and Reeapers are out there, to replicate Bentusari technology without the advantages tiberium gives?
 
I am favoring these three simply to begin the process of getting everyone to not kill one another for 5 minutes, and to begin sharing techs to build the TCN so its actually worth a damn.

[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange
[X] Truth and Reconciliation
 
Honestly it kind of feels like we're more or less at the point of no return when it comes to reliance on tiberium since separating from it will kill our supply of STUs and both GDI and NOD seem to be at the point of becoming reliant on the mass production of STU reliant technologies.
 
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Truth and Reconciliation
[] Subordination of the Brotherhood of Nod
[X] Technology Exchange

If we're allowed approval-votes I'd add "subordination" because I could take it as a substitute for technology exchange and not feel cheated.

The Lone badger said:
Blow up the world, conquer the world, turn everyone into weird aliens, have us subjugated by other aliens… because he has repeatedly tried to do these things and never shown any attempts or intentions to do anything else.
At the very least this ends with Kane in a position of power and us saying "why did we let him do that".
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The thing is, you're modeling him as a machine who just endlessly seeks destruction without cause, rather than as a person motivated by incentives.

What are his incentives? He did those things for reasons. He's a monster and he'll do horrible things for reasons, but that doesn't mean he only does horrible things.

I am excluding my OOC knowledge of Kane's real origin and history and meta knowledge-of-the-future of the TCN
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The knowledge of Kane's origin isn't meta. It's in-character. We know he's an alien and what his background is.
 
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Karugus said:
I'm struggling to imagine how Kane endorsing unification ends with a messier and more problematic unification than just crossing our fingers and praying no warlord makes a poor choice in the face of the erosion of their legitimacy and power base.

Theres a reason major NOD figures are described as Warlords. Their political authority is rooted in their ability to mobilize a capable military. How challenged is that authority going to be by peace? As channels of diplomacy, communication, and trade open that a warlord is increasingly going to struggle to monopolize and distribute to those in his favor as a way of building loyalty? You have got to give NOD an off-ramp out of warlordism if you want peace, because otherwise we are gambling on people in power on the basis of their military, who are predisposed to think in terms of military, to solve problems with military solutions, willingly decoupling their regime's policy from military matters and abstaining from using their military to achieve their aims.

This high minded rhetoric is nice, but it's meaningless. It doesn't acknowledge the issues everybody needs to resolve in order to achieve peace in favor of just assuming it'll happen. Peace is *hard*, it's something that needs to be worked at and fought for, we need to give NOD a means of fighting for a peace they can live with besides military means. Assuming peace will just miraculously assume is just reckless.

This is not imperialism, this is not naked subjugation. It's demanding some kind of Reconstruction so the issues can be fought on a campaign trail rather than with military campaigns.
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"High minded rhetoric" Okay, dude.
 
[X] Subordination of the Brotherhood of Nod
This one is non-negotiable for me. I'm surprised more people are not voting for this. We must not let Nod as an organization continue to exist outside of GDI's orbit. Also explicitly reduces the capacity of the Brotherhood to launch wars after the completion of the network.
[X] Construction Share Ratio
Explicitly reduces the capacity for the Brotherhood to start shenanigans in the middle of building the network. Feel like this will be more useful than Truth and Reconciliation.
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Technology Exchange

I feel that this is the best way to smoothly complete the Tiberium Network without complications from fighting with Nod, while also guaranteeing a stable and prosperous future for humanity as a whole.
 
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I am surprised that Truth and Reconciliation is getting so many votes: it just doesn't make sense for a demand, if it makes sense. The GDI government can always do something like that later if the benefits are deemed to be satisfactory: I feel like getting a more concrete concession from nod, like []Construction Share Ratio, would be more useful.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
The thing is, you're modeling him as a machine who just endlessly seeks destruction without cause, rather than as a person motivated by incentives.
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If someone's already stabbed you three times you don't hand him a knife while saying "I trust that, as a rational actor, you will recognise that it is not in your long-term self-interest to stab me." He clearly thinks stabbing you is an effective way to advance his interests, and maybe he knows something you don't. You can't model everything he might know and might be planning, but you can recognise patterns.

tl:dr if you assume Kane is a perfectly rational actor open to pursuing enlightened mutual-benefit he wouldn't have done half the things that he's already done.
 
[X] Tiberium Control Network Effect
[X] Subordination of the Brotherhood of Nod
[X] Truth and Reconciliation

Yeah, I'd rather have Humanity united working together rather than divided and constantly side-eying each other with super tech. More so when you consider the fact that we have a Scrin base in system that we could take over and loot for super tech anyway.
 
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