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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Goldfish said:
[X] Let Harry handle this
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This is literally setting us up for trouble.
For the love of god, dont literally have the guy with 4 dice in Charisma + Empathy do this when Molly is RIGHT THERE.

Again, Harry has 4 dice in the relevant dice pool.
Thats human average.
Molly rolls 9 dice in Charisma + Empathy BEFORE Demonic Primacy or an Excellency.
 
uju32 said:
This is literally setting us up for trouble.
For the love of god, dont literally have the guy with 4 dice in Charisma + Empathy do this when Molly is RIGHT THERE.

Again, Harry has 4 dice in the relevant dice pool.
Thats human average.
Molly rolls 9 dice in Charisma + Empathy BEFORE Demonic Primacy or an Excellency.
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I just kinda want to see what Harry tries to say to smooth things over. How deep can he fit his own foot down his throat, you know? :p

I'll probably end up changing my vote if things end up being close enough for mine to matter.
 
uju32 said:
This is literally setting us up for trouble.
For the love of god, dont literally have the guy with 4 dice in Charisma + Empathy do this when Molly is RIGHT THERE.

Again, Harry has 4 dice in the relevant dice pool.
Thats human average.
Molly rolls 9 dice in Charisma + Empathy BEFORE Demonic Primacy or an Excellency.
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I don't really care. Literally the only thing I want here is for us to not give IDU to Susan. There isn't a vote which supports that so...
 
uju32 said:
I lived in West Africa for years, and its largely unremarkable for one family to send one or more of their children to be fostered by another for several years, and later return, for a variety of reasons, from economic to educational to stability.
It may be out of your lived experience, but its the reality for many people.

And no, you're wrong.
Now that her father and great-grandfather's enemies know her name and face? She's a lot more protected with Harry and Tiffany and Mouse than she is with a mundane Guatemalan family.

Hell, she's better protected with Susan, who is an actual combat vet at this point.
But Susan is clear about not wanting to retire to raise a child, and I dont think Harry or Tiffany is in the right headspace to do so either.

So my Plan A is to move the entire family to Chicago where we can keep an eye on them.
Assuming the Mendozas consent.
My Plan B is to follow canon and guilt Michael + Charity into caring for her.

Being our friend is not a qualification for superpowers. Izzy and Alex dont have superpowers.
We arent giving Daniel IDU, but we are giving him superpowers.

Susan being a stranger is exactly why I have no issue with it; I dont have to worry about DPoE's effects on our social relationship. She doesnt want a million dollars. A million dollars wont keep her alive in her chosen line of work.
Superpowers might.

And from our PoV, making her a harder target saves us trouble, because Harry will go to her aid if she is in danger or asks for help. And we will go to Harry's aid.
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What makes you think I meant if she stayed here? We're giving her protection no matter what as far as I'm concerned. Also as far as I'm concerned leaving this family here is tantamount to murdering them. Even if they don't have maggie their fairly likely to be killed just for the heck of it and to make harry feel sad.
 
EnlightenedFool said:
I don't really care. Literally the only thing I want here is for us to not give IDU to Susan. There isn't a vote which supports that so...
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So even though it literally only costs us 3m to do, and only improves our position, you dislike Susan so much you're willing to act against our interests?
Okay. Your prerogative.

Goldfish said:
I just kinda want to see what Harry tries to say to smooth things over. How deep can he fit his own foot down his throat, you know? :p

I'll probably end up changing my vote if things end up being close enough for mine to matter.
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I'd rather not, thanks
Hilarious as it may be to watch.
Harry has rolled high enough in this story arc that I dont want to keep tempting RNG Jesus

firefrog600 said:
What makes you think I meant if she stayed here? We're giving her protection no matter what as far as I'm concerned. Also as far as I'm concerned leaving this family here is tantamount to murdering them. Even if they don't have maggie their fairly likely to be killed just for the heck of it and to make harry feel sad.
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1) We are not hanging some poor sod out in Red Court territory to bodyguard a HVT whose identity is known to the bad guys.
That just adds to the death toll without actually affording any real protection.


2) We do not give orders to other people. We cannot control other people's lives. Not our choice to make.
We will offer to relocate the Mendozas, but its an offer.
They could refuse to move and stay in their home city, or move literally anywhere else in the world as undercover relocation.

The only thing we get to insist on is Maggie's relocation.
And thats because Harry is here.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Nov 13, 2024 at 8:27 PM, finished with 75 posts and 10 votes.
  • [X] Plan Protective Custody
    -[X] Empathy excellency
    -[X] Ensure it's explained that Maggie needs to move because she's a highly valued target for her bloodline relation to Harry and already known and targeted by the forces of darkness™.
    -[X] Explain, how Susan is a lever that can be exploited against Maggie and, thus, Harry
    -[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed), as a way to improve her safety or to allow her to remain in the good fight
    [X]Plan Family Intervention
    -[X] Empathy Excellency if necessary
    -[X] Point out she does not need vampiric powers to
    -[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed)
    -[X]STUNT: Time to intervene. The tab of the Sprite can popping is unexpectedly loud, pulling Susan's attention back towards you. "You dont need powers for that sort of work though?" You ask with an arched brow, before counting off on one hand "The Venatori Umborum, the Church, some supernatural-adjacent police sections....Its not as rare as you think." Deliberately you take a slug from your can before continuing, meeting her eyes with yours. "But I can also give powers. If you want." You give a half-shrug, setting down the can as you do. "Its your life, and we all make our own choices."
    [x] Let Harry handle this.
    [x] Let Harry handle this.
    -[x] but: if that is truly what you want to do with your life, I can offer greater strength than what fragments of might you can snatch from the parasite of Red Thirst worming its way into your soul.
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uju32 said:
So even though it literally only costs us 3m to do, and only improves our position, you dislike Susan so much you're willing to act against our interests?
Okay. Your prerogative.


I'd rather not, thanks
Hilarious as it may be to watch.
Harry has rolled high enough in this story arc that I dont want to keep tempting RNG Jesus


1) We are not hanging some poor sod out in Red Court territory to bodyguard a HVT whose identity is known to the bad guys.
That just adds to the death toll without actually affording any real protection.


2) We do not give orders to other people. We cannot control other people's lives. Not our choice to make.
We will offer to relocate the Mendozas, but its an offer.
They could refuse to move and stay in their home city, or move literally anywhere else in the world as undercover relocation.

The only thing we get to insist on is Maggie's relocation.
And thats because Harry is here.
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I was never talking in any theoretical of leaving them Mendozas or Maggie or anyone here. They'll die they will absolutely die and we should tell them that.
 
[X]Plan Family Intervention
I do not see a convincing reason not to at least make the offer and I feel that this plan's stunt is likely to work better than just explaining another reason why.
 
*Gets some popcorn out and watches the drama unfold*

Don't mind me, I have no strong thoughts one way or another on this one.
 
Degorium said:
I didn't notice this before but these people are supposed to be a secret I don't really think you should be mentioning them by name in this place.

[X] Plan Protective Custody
[X] Let Harry handle this.
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the fellowship probably has a hand full of their members in them in fairness. Given no idea if anyone here is the leadership probably at least knows they exist. Especially since I'm fairly sure even if they've been ramping up historically the red court have almost definitely done outsider summonings before this war.
[X]Plan Family Intervention
[X] Plan Protective Custody
 
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But, seriously, what should we ask of the Fellowship to trigger MiS on a continued basis? To make contact with us? To report on something? I am honestly unsure
 
I was under the impression y'all wanted to avoid this side quest stretching on longer than it has to so we can get back to the White Council and close out this Arc. We actually do need Susan to not get in our way here for that to work.

If Harry fucks up his rolls in talking to her by himself without our input it's only going to make our job harder. Do you want this to be more complicated than it has to be and take longer to figure out? If Susan digs her heels in this could become much more of a hassle than it has any right to be. We should be trying to make this as smooth as possible.

Molly has better dice and DPE which means she's the best option here by far. I don't understand why people are voting to have Harry handle it by himself. That probably is the worst base option to vote for with nothing else attached.

Yog said:
To report on something
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If the idea is to use MiS for the moment wouldn't having the Fellowship report on whatever intel they have and receive on the Red Court going forward be enough? Like on a once a week basis they can call one of Molly's clones to give her an update until further notice.

I'm pretty sure that'd be enough? Also I'm pretty sure False Spring Beckons would achieve the same effect here.


Nyarky said:
*Gets some popcorn out and watches the drama unfold*
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Degorium said:
I didn't notice this before but these people are supposed to be a secret I don't really think you should be mentioning them by name in this place.

[X] Plan Protective Custody
[X] Let Harry handle this.
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The Venatori Umborum, the Hunters of Shadows are an open organization thats existed for hundreds of years. Openly allied to the White Council. Mostly mundane mortals, and some lesser talents/sorcerers. Scholars, investigators, keepers of lore and some places. Dresden has met members of the organization at least twice that I know of; once in a comic, and the other in a short story.

The True Venatori are the secret organization, who are embedded in the Venatori Umborum.
The Archive established the Venatori Umborum as cover for the operations of the True Venatori.

Brother Devisimar literally lives with a Venator member when he's in Chicago.
They may not advertise themselves, but they arent secrets.
Susan will have heard of them by now, and Martin has certainly met some.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Nov 14, 2024 at 2:24 AM, finished with 87 posts and 15 votes.
  • [x] Let Harry handle this.
    [X] Plan Protective Custody
    -[X] Empathy excellency
    -[X] Ensure it's explained that Maggie needs to move because she's a highly valued target for her bloodline relation to Harry and already known and targeted by the forces of darkness™.
    -[X] Explain, how Susan is a lever that can be exploited against Maggie and, thus, Harry
    -[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed), as a way to improve her safety or to allow her to remain in the good fight
    [X]Plan Family Intervention
    -[X] Empathy Excellency if necessary
    -[X] Point out she does not need vampiric powers to
    -[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed)
    -[X]STUNT: Time to intervene. The tab of the Sprite can popping is unexpectedly loud, pulling Susan's attention back towards you. "You dont need powers for that sort of work though?" You ask with an arched brow, before counting off on one hand "The Venatori Umborum, the Church, some supernatural-adjacent police sections....Its not as rare as you think." Deliberately you take a slug from your can before continuing, meeting her eyes with yours. "But I can also give powers. If you want." You give a half-shrug, setting down the can as you do. "Its your life, and we all make our own choices."
    [x] Let Harry handle this.
    -[x] but: if that is truly what you want to do with your life, I can offer greater strength than what fragments of might you can snatch from the parasite of Red Thirst worming its way into your soul.
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*looks at leading votes*
*sighs*
I dont know why the leading vote is for self-harm.
If anyone else wants to vote, they might want to do so in the next ten hours.
 
uju32 said:
Current tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Nov 14, 2024 at 2:24 AM, finished with 87 posts and 15 votes.
  • [x] Let Harry handle this.
    [X] Plan Protective Custody
    -[X] Empathy excellency
    -[X] Ensure it's explained that Maggie needs to move because she's a highly valued target for her bloodline relation to Harry and already known and targeted by the forces of darkness™.
    -[X] Explain, how Susan is a lever that can be exploited against Maggie and, thus, Harry
    -[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed), as a way to improve her safety or to allow her to remain in the good fight
    [X]Plan Family Intervention
    -[X] Empathy Excellency if necessary
    -[X] Point out she does not need vampiric powers to
    -[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed)
    -[X]STUNT: Time to intervene. The tab of the Sprite can popping is unexpectedly loud, pulling Susan's attention back towards you. "You dont need powers for that sort of work though?" You ask with an arched brow, before counting off on one hand "The Venatori Umborum, the Church, some supernatural-adjacent police sections....Its not as rare as you think." Deliberately you take a slug from your can before continuing, meeting her eyes with yours. "But I can also give powers. If you want." You give a half-shrug, setting down the can as you do. "Its your life, and we all make our own choices."
    [x] Let Harry handle this.
    -[x] but: if that is truly what you want to do with your life, I can offer greater strength than what fragments of might you can snatch from the parasite of Red Thirst worming its way into your soul.
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*looks at leading votes*
*sighs*
I dont know why the leading vote is for self-harm.
If anyone else wants to vote, they might want to do so in the next ten hours.
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For me at least it is the case that I just don't care much about Susan.
Or the child for that matter.

We have to get the kid out, because she's a potential danger to Harry and Ebeneezer.
Anything else is gravy.
 
Artemis1992 said:
The kid is already with a different family.

Those are the relevant targets to convince that she'd be safer with us.
Susan plays no role in that part.
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Uju had already pointed this out but that's Maggie's foster family not adopted. They very likely don't have any legal rights to Maggie. Her blood father is still around and didn't even know of her existence so it's not really possible that she transferred custody of Maggie over to them.

So Susan's word has weight here.
 
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BoredMan said:
Uju had already pointed this out but that's Maggie's foster family not adopted. They very likely don't have any legal rights to Maggie. Her blood father is still around and didn't even know of her existence so it's not really possible that she transferred custody of Maggie over to them.

So Susan's word has weight here.
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I don't really care about the legal issues.

We can literally take the kid (with the foster-families consent) and no goverment will be able to track us going back to Chicago. And if they did, we could trivially deal with that too.
 
[X]Plan Family Intervention
-[X] Empathy Excellency if necessary
-[X] Point out she does not need vampiric powers to
-[X] Offer better powers (Inner Darkness Unleashed)
-[X]STUNT: Time to intervene. The tab of the Sprite can popping is unexpectedly loud, pulling Susan's attention back towards you. "You dont need powers for that sort of work though?" You ask with an arched brow, before counting off on one hand "The Venatori Umborum, the Church, some supernatural-adjacent police sections....Its not as rare as you think." Deliberately you take a slug from your can before continuing, meeting her eyes with yours. "But I can also give powers. If you want." You give a half-shrug, setting down the can as you do. "Its your life, and we all make our own choices."
 
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