Damn, didn't notice. I'll do the next update in the morning to make up for it
Rolls
Lydia smoothing things over
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
Damn, didn't notice. I'll do the next update in the morning to make up for it
Rolls
Lydia smoothing things over
- Location
- washington
Hope that gets her an exp cause handling ancient knights is kinda like a lesser version of handling someone like Thor.
The fight is over, but they do want to get to know the modern world better and going out to help guard potentially at risk wizards gives them a chance to both do that and potentially stab some warlocks.
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Oh okay, I honestly forgot those kids were still in chicago at this point 😅
More power to the knight's then I suppose
Interacting with undead welsh nobility is where she should shine:
She should be rolling at -4DC for interacting with Black Court vampires, for example. And possibly -6 when dealing with Kemmler's legacies.
Chicago is going to confuse them so much. What with an active and friendly elemental dragon, rising magic levels, etc.
That is the most normal part of the place, it's everyone using tamed lightning to warm their homes, communicate across the world and access a unspeakably vast ethereal library while insisting it's not magic that will really confuse them.
The question of what is and isn't magic is a perilous thing. On one hand you have a handbook of Black Magic, and on another, you have motonic science. Speaking of - is essence use subject to techbane?That is the most normal part of the place, it's everyone using tamed lightning to warm their homes, communicate across the world and access a unspeakably vast ethereal library while insisting it's not magic that will really confuse them.
It is not when used on its own, since it is always in equilibrium with the world, the wizard's will does not leak through and cause messes. That said when using Essence to cast a spell if one wishes the spell not to have a tech-bane one must use only essence. Even one success from a standard gathering of power is enough to cause a tech-bane effect.
That still leaves Harry with up to 5 successes. Not to mention Elemental Blessings of Wood and Stone Dragons (are they terrestrial tier, by the way?).
We should probably be careful with the ancient sorcery, since the power+authority thing could be dangerous for his health per the ruling we got earlier on how either one alone being missing could end messily for a wizard.
Especially because those two spells essentially demand some powerful spirits respect your right to order them around. If they go poorly they could go very poorly.
Not saying he necessarily can't or shouldn't use them, but maybe start him on something that doesn't poke the forces of the universe and demand they make him a sandwich.
Stuff like the personal transformation effects, which could still go poorly but generally only claim the caster's own body. The Tree's Many Branches and Invulnerable Skin of Bronze would both good picks for his first go as Ancient Sorcery.
Vote closed.
Arc 14 Post 65: Favor of the Fallen
Favor of the Fallen
20th of February 2007 A.D.
"You've lived with this all your life, you have been under the Doom of Damocles and now you are not." You pause and take a deep breath, doing your best impression of someone who is looking at this objectively. Good thing I'm so good at keeping my feelings off my face... "Harry you've shown that it is possible to overcome the influence of Lawbreaking through choice alone. In this you stand as an example for others. If the White Council wishes to avoid having the Book of Laws become a crutch that it is reliant upon, then it will need a beacon such as yourself, to shine the light of self-determination."
Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 16/18
Tiffany gives you a look over his shoulder. Laying it on a bit tick aren't you, it seems to say, but what she's missing is that Harry has had very few people in his life who trusted him unreservedly and said so. There's the Murphies and the Alphas of the world who trust him sure, but feel no need to express it because it's just self-evident to them that the wizard knows how to wizard, the hero is heroic and then there's Tiffany making the argument that black and white are out and grey is in, but no matter how well she polishes her words there's no denying the fact that she's lowering the bar.
The thing that makes Harry Dresden who he is, you've come to realize, is always wanting to pass that bar even if he breaks a leg landing.
"I don't think I'm much of an inspiration." The shake of the head betrays him, what he really means is 'I shouldn't be an inspiration.'
"Harry what have you been teaching those kids?" you cut him off. "Not to do as you do? Of course not. The hows and whys of magic whose experience are they from? Yours right, the same wizard who broke the First Law once upon a time. Take it from someone with a literal voice in her head who thinks she should get on with becoming the Dread Empress of Everything, there's only one Harry Dresden in there and as you are the White Council decided to ask you to train the next generation. I say you extend at least as much trust to yourself as Donald effing Morgan did."
"Maybe you're right," he looks out onto the lake, towards the island out of sight, but never out of mind. "I'm just not used to all that trust. I don't feel different after Paris..."
"Or maybe you do and it's in all the wrong ways," Tiffany offers gently. Uh-oh, she doesn't do 'gentle' often. "Feeling pissed off at Susan for keeping secrets. That is allowed, justified even."
He gives her an unreadable look, or at least one hard to decipher. Susan... Rodriguez, the reporter? They had been together at one point. What would she be hiding? As far as you know they hadn't spoken in years, not since she ran off to join the Fellowship and fight the war.
"And what good does that do?" he rounds on her.
"Well that's up to you isn't it?" she answers cryptically. "What do you want to do about it?"
"Am I... should I go?" you ask, despite the burning curiosity to find out what they're talking about. "I don't want to intrude." A patent lie, but one well delivered at least.
"I have a daughter," the words burst past his lips. "Drusus showed her to me, showed me she was in danger so I'd use that place to save her... I didn't, I was afraid..." With that Harry runs out of steam, he can't quite bring himself to say it. "She's fine, but I don't know how much of that was real, I don't know if the Red Court knows where she is."
"But she is in their territory with, at best, a Fellowship protection detail. If the Fellowship were powerful enough to protect people living openly they would not be operating as they do," Tiffany finishes. "Her assumed name is Margret Mendoza she lives in Escuintla Guatemala..." she rattles off a set of personal details she must have gotten off the internet, maybe even with IRIS' help.
The Last Station has an open door policy to both of them and you had informed the SUTRAS to help both of them if they ask, though you had imagined Harry getting help with cases not... long lost daughter. Yeah, you get why Harry is pissed, just the idea of family out there where you can't protect them, not even knowing they exist makes your blood boil never mind that he's missed four years of her life, he's never getting those back. Fuck Susan...!
"Better that he avoids doing so in the future Majesty, that's what got him into this conundrum in the first place," Usum almost causes a very inappropriate laugh.
"Is that enough to find the girl?" Tiffany recalls you back to the here-and-now.
"Easy," you answer, much to Harry's... well it's hard to tell what Harry is feeling, not because he's hard to read, but you suspect because he does not know himself.
Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 15/18
"See how easy that was?" Tiffany sounds almost too neutral, like a schemer whose plan had come perfectly together. Was that part of the reason why he asked about the Book, so he'd be safer around his daughter?
"[You deceived/ unwillingly moved him?]" You ask, feeling a little silly using the Language in a whisper and still more so for something this small, but it's not like you have mind speech.
"[Not unwilling. I allowed clarity of desire, clarity of self. Foremost that the girl he safe and that he is safe-in-presence.]"
How do you feel about Tiffany's manipulation?
[] It was the right thing to do, Harry wants to see his daughter and he wants her to be safe, he was just getting in his own way
[] It was wrong of her to manipulate him, even with good intentions
[] Write in
OOC: Even 7 successes are not going to allow you to guess something as far out of left field as secret daughter, that was a major part of why he wanted to sign the book, so he would be safe for Maggie and Tiffany knew it so she used the moment to push him into meeting with her at least. As far as she is concerned the safest place for that kid is behind a ring of balefire and a small army of minions because you know... Fallen Angel mentality.
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Molly Sway
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Harry Willpower
Tiffany Read Emotions -> Manipulate+Empathy
vs
Harry willpower to stop her (if he had made the roll he'd have told her to stop but you would still have gotten a perception roll to figure out something was happening)
Willpower to not laugh at the demon's joke
Molly Sway
vs
Harry Willpower
Tiffany Read Emotions -> Manipulate+Empathy
vs
Harry willpower to stop her (if he had made the roll he'd have told her to stop but you would still have gotten a perception roll to figure out something was happening)
Willpower to not laugh at the demon's joke
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Hahaha, demon burn!
Let Lash be your voice of reason, Harry. Your judgement is compromised by your martyrdom complex.
[X] It was the right thing to do, Harry wants to see his daughter and he wants her to be safe, he was just getting in his own way
[X] It was the right thing to do, Harry wants to see his daughter and he wants her to be safe, he was just getting in his own way
There's manipulation, and there's helping get a head on straight, and sometimes there's a thin line between them.
At the moment, we're on the right side of the line.
There's manipulation, and there's helping get a head on straight, and sometimes there's a thin line between them.
At the moment, we're on the right side of the line.
- Location
- Estonia
[X] It's less about it being morally wrong, it's about how this approach to communication with somebody close to you will not lead to a good relationship. Tiffany is being as stupidly self-sacrificial as Harry, by being willing to be caught and seen as a manipulator by Dresden, as long as it's for his sake.
Tiffany understandably has a low bar for "clarity", as just not trying to twist someone, not as clarity of open communication. When you are open about exactly what you want from the start.
She is probably also being fine about being seen as manipulative by Harry, as long as it's to his benefit, when that's just another form of needless self-sacrifice.
Edit: deleted the old post to clarify and add a write in.
Tiffany understandably has a low bar for "clarity", as just not trying to twist someone, not as clarity of open communication. When you are open about exactly what you want from the start.
She is probably also being fine about being seen as manipulative by Harry, as long as it's to his benefit, when that's just another form of needless self-sacrifice.
Edit: deleted the old post to clarify and add a write in.
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Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[X] It was wrong of her to manipulate him, even with good intentions
Let's not be stereotypical. There other ways to help people then just plain manipulating them into what is "best for them".
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[X] It's less about it being morally wrong, it's about how this approach to communication with somebody close to you will not lead to a good relationship. Tiffany is being as stupidly self-sacrificial as Harry, by being willing to be caught and seen as a manipulator by Dresden, as long as it's for his sake.
This works too. Also an interesting point of view even if I don't fully agree with it.
Let's not be stereotypical. There other ways to help people then just plain manipulating them into what is "best for them".
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[X] It's less about it being morally wrong, it's about how this approach to communication with somebody close to you will not lead to a good relationship. Tiffany is being as stupidly self-sacrificial as Harry, by being willing to be caught and seen as a manipulator by Dresden, as long as it's for his sake.
This works too. Also an interesting point of view even if I don't fully agree with it.
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[X] It's less about it being morally wrong, it's about how this approach to communication with somebody close to you will not lead to a good relationship. Tiffany is being as stupidly self-sacrificial as Harry, by being willing to be caught and seen as a manipulator by Dresden, as long as it's for his sake.
- Location
- Brazil
[X] It's less about it being morally wrong, it's about how this approach to communication with somebody close to you will not lead to a good relationship. Tiffany is being as stupidly self-sacrificial as Harry, by being willing to be caught and seen as a manipulator by Dresden, as long as it's for his sake.
[X] It was the right thing to do, Harry wants to see his daughter and he wants her to be safe, he was just getting in his own way
Her manipulation in this case was pointing out the true source of his motivation to do something and questioning if what he wanted to do was really the best thing or just an impulse. In the process she presented a viable alternative by brining in another one of his friends to help.
You could directly map that conversation to something like a guy learning he has a daughter and claiming he needs to check into rehab right away. Only for his friends to point out that not only has he not touched heroin in thirty years, he somehow got his shit so together that he went from probation to being hired to run the narcotics division of the local police department.
That's technically manipulation, but honestly it seems like the type more appropriately labeled good rhetoric.
Her manipulation in this case was pointing out the true source of his motivation to do something and questioning if what he wanted to do was really the best thing or just an impulse. In the process she presented a viable alternative by brining in another one of his friends to help.
You could directly map that conversation to something like a guy learning he has a daughter and claiming he needs to check into rehab right away. Only for his friends to point out that not only has he not touched heroin in thirty years, he somehow got his shit so together that he went from probation to being hired to run the narcotics division of the local police department.
That's technically manipulation, but honestly it seems like the type more appropriately labeled good rhetoric.
[X] It was the right thing to do, Harry wants to see his daughter and he wants her to be safe, he was just getting in his own way