Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The red court, the Denarians, the outside, opportunistic powers of various levels. We've got some very big fish with some very big guns interested in us.

It's like being in Southeast Asia during the Cold War and going "the whole world isn't against me, just the USA/USSR".

The FCF should have a supremely hilarious advantage in conventional conflict, but it's still possible we could lose people to it with the major global powers if they pop their big guns. Then there's the cosmic grade people; Nemesis is going to want to hurt us like nothing else through this opportunity. His plan before was to start witch hunts, but I'd be surprised if he didn't want to spark and interdimensional war now instead just to start.

When I think of defenses here I'm envisioning a minimum of one fortress splendor to immunize the guards to bullshit stuff, one sphere of influence splendor to abuse Malko's connections to make operating near us miserable for supernatural predators, a fortress on either side of the portal with personal investment from Molly, white council warding contractors on top of that, and political bullshit with all the nations were now sharing borders with so they don't become (or remain) tools of our enemies.

That's just to start.

We also have to concern ourselves with the wizards getting screwed because of how weakened they are at the moment. It's possible that keeping the reds off their back while they reorganize will require wide area military intervention.
I don't want to sound dismissive, but I have been over this before. Going by demonstrated capabilities, I am not worried, and I see no point in speculating about unknown unknowns
 
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  • [X] Agree, it's frustrating to limit the help you can give like this, but it's to get advice on the politics of the Council that you went to them to begin with
    [X] Plan To Each Their Own
    -[X] Thank them both for their sage advice and honest opinion
    -[X] Agree not to use False Springs Beckons on council affiliates
    -[X] Offer a compromise - The Books and the Tools of Healing for those with the full wizard's gift, and the birds for minor talents, for those the council cannot reach due to sheer numbers, who are most likely to spurn the absolute certainty of the Books based on their perceived association with oppression, and who the council still has to punish if they break the laws.
 
Arc 14 Post 64: Of Book and Beckon
Of Book and Beckon

20th of February 2007 A.D.

It occurs to you that you don't need the Council's permission to help people like Olivia, like Pauline and Anna and Helen, they are in most ways beneath wizardly notice, unless they break the Laws and that is what you want, that is what you are working towards, a world where kids don't get executed with swords for the crime of ignorance or for that matter carelessness. The death penalty may be 'biblical' as one of your more unpleasant neighbors argued to Dad one day, but that does not mean it should be given out lightly. You nod slowly, resolved not to live in a world anymore where taking up the Blackened Denarius carries a lesser sentence than being a fuck up kid.... A fuck up kid like I was.

"Alright, for the record I do reserve the right to change my mind." It's weird to have to spell that out, but it's that kind of place and that kind of time, a contract for all it's one of words not writing. "But for now the book should solve our more immediate problem."

And I have just the right ink in which to write that book, you think without explaining aloud. People tend to get jumpy when they find out you are using the ashes of newly slain foes in your work.

Gained: Ashes of the Hollow Seer (Tier 4 Splendor Reagent)
A thin dusting of black, like soot or powdered pencil lead save that one cannot touch it with the bare hand. It rejects life and warmth as life and warmth rejected it, the energy oddly responsive. Even someone without a hint of magic could form intricate shapes in the highly reactive dust, though you have been informed in no uncertain terms that most wouldn't want to. Simple shapes twist to alien geometries that swell an ache behind one's temples animate shapes decompose merge and divine into unspeakable chimera, the legacy of sight through madness.

"We will of course provide that you need for the Working," Rashid says pulling you out of reverie.

"Ah right, thanks." You're sure you'll find some other use for Drusus.

You bid farewell to the Gatekeeper and McCoy, a little surprised when Harry doesn't leave with his grandfather. After Olivia parts ways, she has to walk a friend's dog—when was the last time you did something that normal?— he falls in between you and Lash and turns his head.

"So you got room in that Book of yours for me?"

"You want to...?" you trail off surprised. It's hard to think of Harry as needing the help, as being someone touched by black magic same as those poor wardens or the idiot kids of previous imaginings. He'd been the one to introduce you to to the concept of the Laws after all, he wears a pentagram around his neck, he passed though wizardry and became enlightened for that love of magic.

"Yes," he says or starts to at least.

"You should take the lie-made true," Tiffany interjects. "It will clear your head, as though that's that's fogging it, without hobbling yourself. There may well come the day when you'll wish you could reach for the grey and I don't think that book does well with edge cases..."

"No, definitely not, if a spell even risks killing someone it won't chance the nature of it, it'll just fail and if you want to do something deliberately grey, like putting someone to sleep with magic that won't work either. It's an oath forever or at least while the book lasts."

Tiffany nods, like she had been expecting that. "Take it from someone who remembers six thousand years, you don't want to be tying your hands for centuries to come."

"There's some knots that should be tied."

A very Harry-like sentiment, though not delivered with quite the tone you would expect if that was all there was to it so you take a closer look. What you see if not a man struggling with old temptations, but one fiddling with his coat buttons against an balmy near-spring air. Oh... he wants to no longer have the option to transgress not for its own sake, but because of what it would say to the other wizards. No more 'loose canon Dresden', no more half-suspicious looks from Morgan and his peers.

If anything would get someone to think of himself as part of the White Council it's seeing that very Council almost ripped apart before his eyes and fighting to preserve it.

Is that reason enough to bind his own magic though?

[] Yes, if that makes him more at ease, no matter the reason you are happy to help

[] No, try to argue him around to Tiffany's side. Now is not the time to voluntarily disarm himself even of the most distasteful weapons

[] Write in


OOC: Next up we will be making the book and helping the White Council recover as much as one can in the short term.
 
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fairly sure we asked that they would help procure regents dp. Because for fuck sakes we deserve a reward and if we're not getting one they should at least help us procure something to help THEIR problem.
 
Honestly, that's his magic, if Harry feels more comfortable doing that, I really don't see why we should try to change that about him.

[X] Yes, if that makes him more at ease, no matter the reason you are happy to help

And I agree DP, if WC doesn't give Molly something tangible after all this, I'm really going to be pissed.
 
Sober now. Don't want someone in our party to nerf themselves. Harry is the Warden of Demonreach and a member of Molly's party.

No nerf please.

@DragonParadox empathy excellency still running?

[X] No, try to argue him around to Tiffany's side. Now is not the time to voluntarily disarm himself even of the most distasteful weapons
 
[X] Yes, if that makes him more at ease, no matter the reason you are happy to help

Harry's magic, Harry's capabilities, and Harry's choice.
 
[X] Yes, if that makes him more at ease, no matter the reason you are happy to help

It's his magic. His choice to make, even if it isn't the one we think best.
Also, he isn't wrong that it would probably give him some credibility in the Council.
 
[X] Yes, if that makes him more at ease, no matter the reason you are happy to help

Yeah. I am not exactly happy at the idea, especially being as how a lot may hinge on the Starborn stuff, but if it comes to it barring some implausible end-run by Nemesis, you could always destroy the book. Ultimately it is his choice.
 
[x] No, try to argue him around to Tiffany's side. Now is not the time to voluntarily disarm himself even of the most distasteful weapons

No, no way in fuck.
 
[x] No, try to argue him around to Tiffany's side. Now is not the time to voluntarily disarm himself even of the most distasteful weapons

He certainly can choose not to break the Laws, but he shouldn't deprive himself of the choice forever.
 
[X] Maybe he should talk to Ebeneezer first? Blackstuff exists and is used for a reason, and you know Harry is worth the trust
-[X] If he's still resolved afterwards, then yes, if that makes him more at ease, no matter the reason you are happy to help
 
[X] Maybe he should talk to Ebeneezer first? Blackstuff exists and is used for a reason, and you know Harry is worth the trust
-[X] If he's still resolved afterwards, then yes, if that makes him more at ease, no matter the reason you are happy to help


Good idea @Yog. Let Harry make the choice fully informed of what it means.
 
There is more than one Law.

Also this.
yeah well he has jack shit for transforming others, doesn't have time magic, barely knows necromancy, is never gonna mind control someone without being mind controlled himself to do so, he has neither talent for the latter or for entering minds, the only risky one is outer gates and time travel and the latter he can't do and the former is stupid 99% of the time.
 
yeah well he has jack shit for transforming others, doesn't have time magic, barely knows necromancy, is never gonna mind control someone without being mind controlled himself to do so, he has neither talent for the latter or for entering minds, the only risky one is outer gates and time travel and the latter he can't do and the former is stupid 99% of the time.
Just because he doesn't have something now doesn't mean having the option or ability won't be relevant later. You aren't writing the story.

For example when Dresden saw fit to use the Word of Kemmler to revive Sue the T-Rex with necromancy to fight necromancers. If he had singed the book that wouldn't have been an option.
 
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