Not between heaven and hell, though if there are rules to how heaven may deal with Outsiders it is possible.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Not between heaven and hell, though if there are rules to how heaven may deal with Outsiders it is possible.
I don't believe that's actually true.
To give an example, whenever an Infernal, Devil Tiger or not, invents a new charm as part of a Reclamation Yozi's charmset, the Yozi gains that charm and it becomes part of their meta-biology.
That means that even Devil Tigers are still connected to the Yozi who opened their charm sets. Those charms are thus not the Infernal's alone.
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[X]Plan Unleash The Dragon
-[X] Lift the curse, then attack
-[X]Sophia: Activate Adaptation, then teleport and attack in melee
-[X]Molly: Switch to counterspelling support. Excellency if necessary.
-[X]Others: Continue as per previous plan
-[X]STUNT: You stare for a moment then shake your head. "Just the curse?" you say, conferring mentally with your companions "Okay." And as you relax your will, Sophia vanishes, reappearing behind a Hollow Man body in the distance with her sword already midswing
-[X] Lift the curse, then attack
-[X]Sophia: Activate Adaptation, then teleport and attack in melee
-[X]Molly: Switch to counterspelling support. Excellency if necessary.
-[X]Others: Continue as per previous plan
-[X]STUNT: You stare for a moment then shake your head. "Just the curse?" you say, conferring mentally with your companions "Okay." And as you relax your will, Sophia vanishes, reappearing behind a Hollow Man body in the distance with her sword already midswing
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Reluctantly stabbing us to the benefit of the Outside is still stabbing us to the benefit of the Outside. This also doesn't really impact the other stuff around how we got here.
To clarify, I have two primary issues with this.
1) the white God's agents intervening in a way that is clearly slanted in the Outside's favor. Not as much as it could be, but Heaven is an a cage match with them and generally doesn't interfere with even the catastrophic choices of mortals. In this scenario they're overriding the consequences of both of our actions and doing so in a manner which will make it easier for the Outside to beat us later.
2) The nature of this problem in the first place reads completely out of left field in a bad way. The context of this fight doesn't really involve the Ebon Dragon and the power itself is a mimicry of an ability associated with a hell that has some potential connection to his remains after ages of rot.
It leaves me wondering how any of our charms are allowed out here and if he can just do this every time we pull one over on him, since the flavor text can't be relied on to be accurate.
It's like racing a neo nazi through France to some hostages held at a third location and getting pulled over by the German police for breaking Berlin traffic law once we start to pull ahead.
That they'll let us off with a warning should we break it up and follow city speed limits going home doesn't change how weird it is that they're over here obviously helping someone they should hate. Nor does their reluctance to arrest us change that they'll try to do it, or that we can't predict what laws apply to us based on things like checking the country we're in.
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I have criticized this same behavior of you a thousand times @uju32 , all options are IC and you insisting otherwise only paints yourself as an untrustworthy person or a liar, especially since it is not the first time you have done this.
Are you ready to accept this or do you want to continue sinking into this hole?
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There is definitely a part of Molly that is pissed off for that very reason, that is why there is a vote to ignore. Others have presented feasible reasons why an angel may behave this way, can't say more without spoilers for this very scene and also just generally the fate of the Yozis.
It's complicated, I think? A Yozi dying (undergoing Fetich Death or whatever other transformation) does not revoke an Infernal's ability to use their charms, as I understand it. So, there's connection, but we aren't calling upon Ebon Dragon's power. We are using our own. Good point, though, and another reason to check.
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Pretty sure this doesn't factor into Molly's current thought process. I really can't see Molly ever deciding deicide is the cool thing to do, no matter what the Outsiders and literally Satan try to convince her otherwise.
I worry a bit about my vote. Not "what to do if we are right". That one I am confident about. About what to do if the angel is right, unlikely as it is. Right now I choose to attack, but I admit this is a bit of a folly. Long distance, strong opponent, and betting on angel actually helping (Rules might prevent it). What do people think?
VOTE
[X]Plan Unleash The Dragon
-[X] Lift the curse, then attack
-[X]Sophia: Activate Adaptation, then teleport and attack in melee
-[X]Molly: Switch to counterspelling support. Excellency if necessary.
-[X]Others: Continue as per previous plan
-[X]STUNT: You stare for a moment then shake your head. "Just the curse?" you say, conferring mentally with your companions "Okay." And as you relax your will, Sophia vanishes, reappearing behind a Hollow Man body in the distance with her sword already midswing.
RATIONALE
The angel was specific.
We were asked to stop using SSC in this location. We werent told to stop using SSC altogether, or to let him go
And since he's declined to listen to the angel telling him to leave, we are free to stab him to death.
The problem is, the Hollow Man is four miles away.
Molly's current land speed is 88 yards/second.
It would take her 80 seconds/27 turns to reach the Hollow Man.
So Molly trying to reach him is off the table
That means the only person who can reach him is Sophia. Who can teleport, has access to antishaping, and who has 2x Attacks per turn and a movement speed of ~61 yards/second. Adaptation is her antipoison, antidisease, all environment Gift, which she activates before approaching the dude with poison blood.
Sophia rolls
Attack roll: Dex 7 + Melee 5 + Without Honor 2 = 14 dice at -3DC(Graceful 1 + BSM 1 + King and Kingdom 1)
Damage roll: Strength 13 + 2 NotUsum = 15 dice
Soak roll: Stamina 11 + Without Honor 2 = 13 dice at -2DC(Corpse Hide 2)
Counterspelling roll: Wits 8 + Occult 5 = 13 dice at -1DC(BSM 1)
Unweaving roll: Intelligence 11 + Occult 5 = 16 dice
Meantime, Molly switches to Counterspelling.
She gets to throw 12 dice (Wits 3 + Occult 5 + Stunt 2 + Without Honor 2) at -2DC(BSM 1 + King and Kingdom 1) at any magic that the Hollow Man tries to execute in response to Sophia getting up close and shanktastic with her sword.
[X]Plan Unleash The Dragon
-[X] Lift the curse, then attack
-[X]Sophia: Activate Adaptation, then teleport and attack in melee
-[X]Molly: Switch to counterspelling support. Excellency if necessary.
-[X]Others: Continue as per previous plan
-[X]STUNT: You stare for a moment then shake your head. "Just the curse?" you say, conferring mentally with your companions "Okay." And as you relax your will, Sophia vanishes, reappearing behind a Hollow Man body in the distance with her sword already midswing.
RATIONALE
The angel was specific.
We were asked to stop using SSC in this location. We werent told to stop using SSC altogether, or to let him go
And since he's declined to listen to the angel telling him to leave, we are free to stab him to death.
The problem is, the Hollow Man is four miles away.
Molly's current land speed is 88 yards/second.
It would take her 80 seconds/27 turns to reach the Hollow Man.
So Molly trying to reach him is off the table
That means the only person who can reach him is Sophia. Who can teleport, has access to antishaping, and who has 2x Attacks per turn and a movement speed of ~61 yards/second. Adaptation is her antipoison, antidisease, all environment Gift, which she activates before approaching the dude with poison blood.
Sophia rolls
Attack roll: Dex 7 + Melee 5 + Without Honor 2 = 14 dice at -3DC(Graceful 1 + BSM 1 + King and Kingdom 1)
Damage roll: Strength 13 + 2 NotUsum = 15 dice
Soak roll: Stamina 11 + Without Honor 2 = 13 dice at -2DC(Corpse Hide 2)
Counterspelling roll: Wits 8 + Occult 5 = 13 dice at -1DC(BSM 1)
Unweaving roll: Intelligence 11 + Occult 5 = 16 dice
Meantime, Molly switches to Counterspelling.
She gets to throw 12 dice (Wits 3 + Occult 5 + Stunt 2 + Without Honor 2) at -2DC(BSM 1 + King and Kingdom 1) at any magic that the Hollow Man tries to execute in response to Sophia getting up close and shanktastic with her sword.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X]Plan Unleash The Dragon
-[X] Lift the curse, then attack
-[X]Sophia: Activate Adaptation, then teleport and attack in melee
-[X]Molly: Switch to counterspelling support. Excellency if necessary.
-[X]Others: Continue as per previous plan
-[X]STUNT: You stare for a moment then shake your head. "Just the curse?" you say, conferring mentally with your companions "Okay." And as you relax your will, Sophia vanishes, reappearing behind a Hollow Man body in the distance with her sword already midswing.
-[X] Lift the curse, then attack
-[X]Sophia: Activate Adaptation, then teleport and attack in melee
-[X]Molly: Switch to counterspelling support. Excellency if necessary.
-[X]Others: Continue as per previous plan
-[X]STUNT: You stare for a moment then shake your head. "Just the curse?" you say, conferring mentally with your companions "Okay." And as you relax your will, Sophia vanishes, reappearing behind a Hollow Man body in the distance with her sword already midswing.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
I'm pretty confident in it. Two of the HM has died so far by doing what we have been. In regards to being incorrect and having to lift the curse? Uju has good idea to have Sophia attack with her teleportation in that event. That sounds better than having Molly rely on the Angel if it turns out to be correct, I'd take that part from his plan.
Ok, so, like this?
[X] Plan In the Light of the Crown
-[X] Use the Crown on the Current scene to ask "What are the beings disturbed by the events in this scene"
--[X] If no being that the Angel may be bound to guard against waking is being disturbed, then
---[X] Better to seek forgiveness than ask permission, signal the others to keep fighting, keep the curse going
---[X] Activate Source Code Compliance Protocol
---[X] STUNT: Bright is the flame of your soul atop the mountain in the center of this foul nether realm. Like thunder is your voice, the rumble of a great Beast Upon the Mountain from before Ages past, in the language spoken before Creation itself was conceived: "Hear me, oh angel, and by the flames of my Crown know this to be true - you are mistaken, for none under your charge are roused by my words. My and mine alone is the power invoked"
--[X] If the angel is right and there is something waking up, lift the curse, and unleash the dragon:
---[X] Lift the curse, then attack
---[X]Sophia: Activate Adaptation, then teleport and attack in melee
---[X]Molly: Switch to counterspelling support. Excellency if necessary.
---[X]Others: Continue as per previous plan
---[X]STUNT: You stare for a moment then shake your head. "Just the curse?" you say, conferring mentally with your companions "Okay." And as you relax your will, Sophia vanishes, reappearing behind a Hollow Man body in the distance with her sword already midswing.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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All the talk about lifting the curse seems so weird to me. Shadow Spite Curse is not a self sustaining thing. It only lasts as long as Molly actively keeps it up at the expense of other possible actions. Which makes the word lift just seem wrong as it implies action rather than just lack of action.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
I guess, though I do not like this part at all since it would leave us with no motes if we have to drop it and Molly deems is necessary but yes.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
......Its a reference to Killsixbilliondemons.
The identity of a being roused by SSC should constitute one hell of an arcane secret. @DragonParadox assuming we are wrong, and the crown reveals Ebon Dragon waking up, will this result in us regaining essence?
Yeah, that would qualify easily.
It complicated basically the exaltation can only be improved Autocron flaw of invulnerability. And Primordials are near in power to the exaltation. So when a primordial or Yozi opens their charm set to the exaltation, the exaltation adds it charms to what it can develop permanently, as that improving itself.
Conversely exalted Gods are ultimately a lesser existence to the exaltation, which is why the exaltation creates new charms based upon the pattern of the god, but it fully possible to remove a god spark and put something else in the exaltation to base itself upon. Because gods are lesser then the exaltation their spark of power does not qualify for improving the exaltation itself.
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The words are a bit older.
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And for the Reach Heaven part I haven't found something definitive that old, but at least Morrowind:
Which is still a lot older than K6BD
Edit: I personally heard the If you meet him on the way, kill God part in Kill Bill, where it was a very cool quote already.
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If we are still in Shintai, then this is still the same scene in which we already got Essence, I think?
[X] Plan In the Light of the Crown
-[X] Use the Crown on the Current scene to ask "What are the beings disturbed by the events in this scene"
--[X] If no being that the Angel may be bound to guard against waking is being disturbed, then
---[X] Better to seek forgiveness than ask permission, signal the others to keep fighting, keep the curse going
---[X] Activate Source Code Compliance Protocol
---[X] STUNT: Bright is the flame of your soul atop the mountain in the center of this foul nether realm. Like thunder is your voice, the rumble of a great Beast Upon the Mountain from before Ages past, in the language spoken before Creation itself was conceived: "Hear me, oh angel, and by the flames of my Crown know this to be true - you are mistaken, for none under your charge are roused by my words. My and mine alone is the power invoked"
--[X] If there is something waking up, lift the curse, launch yourself at the Hollow Man, with an angel here you shouldn't have to hold the center
This is a reasonable plan. And even if we stirred something Lydia and wizards should still be able to deal with the bastard even with some help from Molly.
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-[X] Use the Crown on the Current scene to ask "What are the beings disturbed by the events in this scene"
--[X] If no being that the Angel may be bound to guard against waking is being disturbed, then
---[X] Better to seek forgiveness than ask permission, signal the others to keep fighting, keep the curse going
---[X] Activate Source Code Compliance Protocol
---[X] STUNT: Bright is the flame of your soul atop the mountain in the center of this foul nether realm. Like thunder is your voice, the rumble of a great Beast Upon the Mountain from before Ages past, in the language spoken before Creation itself was conceived: "Hear me, oh angel, and by the flames of my Crown know this to be true - you are mistaken, for none under your charge are roused by my words. My and mine alone is the power invoked"
--[X] If there is something waking up, lift the curse, launch yourself at the Hollow Man, with an angel here you shouldn't have to hold the center
This is a reasonable plan. And even if we stirred something Lydia and wizards should still be able to deal with the bastard even with some help from Molly.
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It's way older than that. Since it originates from Buddhism.
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I literally linked that in the post you quoted?
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Can you vote for Yog's modified version of the plan instead? Having Sophia attack and holding our ground instead of relying on the Angel seems better in the event that we drop the curse and the rest of the plan is the same.