BoredMan
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Anyone know what to make of this?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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So, question that people seem to be forgetting? Where's the cut off line for what constitutes a wizard? Cause if he can teach minor talents then… that alone might do more to secure their safety than any amount of gods Molly and Lydia could craft for them
[X] Sophia can heal him, you still need to find the Merlin
[X] Sophia can heal him, you still need to find the Merlin
It's kind of subtle but the references kind of makes sense the human tongue is a strangely intricate sensory organ. That allows for contrast and volume of flavor and in general having a bunch of salt with just a bit of sugar or vice versa can create a more volumetric and kind of fulfilling flavor.
In relation to that magic and Essence as a whole are more real than the stuff of reality as he was saying and having them or having Essence provided a new volume a new contrast that makes the world more livable more majestic more beautiful just by having it. With Molly herself being the stand in for Essence as a whole or concept.
Though I will admit it is kind of a poetic read of what he is saying.
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Well you are though you are stating a fact when you say he cannot be exalted because he is starborn that is an assertion of fact. I disagree with the base statement and nothing I've seen has swayed me from that the fact that the other starborn weren't human at all actually convinces me that it's not necessary or it's not as hindering as you are stating.
Because if it was a metaphysical designation on the level of being a half spirit of being a living corpse of being a resurrected demigod held together via Divine Magic. Then Abominations like Drakul couldn't also be that and an abomination.
Mab hinting at anything in relation to fate isn't enough even hinting at immortality isn't enough. The Dark Hollow is an Ascension ritual and he's about to go into combat with a bunch of literally Immortal spirits and other beings we could possibly skin and wear the skin of considering what he considers a wizard at his best and the knowledge he has.
Being an agent of Destruction is fine but that's again in relation to fate which isn't actually a deterrent to exaltation. Yog already covered the bit about the starborn.
It certainly good but he still a mortal 1s still subtract success from his roll when casting. He needs to spend 2-3 motes to insure a success, on a hard spell.
Dresden chances of exalting where already very low Exaltation hate mutations like star born, and those that already have awakened essence or other powers have a vastly lower chance of exalting. It not heroic to fight an Elder beast when you already have powers. So now it basically impossible for a Dresden to exalted.
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I don't think exaltation hates mutations at all beastmen could be exalted they had way more actually advantageous mutations than starborn the starborn mutation if it actually is a mutation in all and not essentially a destiny placed on a character at Birth which every character in creation has. Is essentially a situational bonus against an enemy of creation which I don't think exaltation would select against even at its most picky.
Being starborn gives actually no benefits in the vast majority of situations Dresden is in against the vast majority of enemies he's actually facing. In the most actually calamitous fight where he is fighting a Titan his being starborn is actually a complete non-factor.
The starborn (Sidereal) exaltation also just completely ignores that anyway if beings as important as the queen of air and darkness the angel of death and the lord of the hanged are placing their faith in his fate then it's definitely heavy enough to attract one of the starborn Stars. Essentially if he's chosen by the fates than he has chosen by the fates and no amount of benefits he will get or gain or lose will actually affect that outcome.
Though the Abominations that actually occupy this world might be enough to completely overcome any advantages he has by being both a wizard and an enlightened Essence user.
As far as exaltation goes simply because Dresden versus Ethnui is literally like a near classic exalted matchup of man versus powerful Exiled God/Deva/Demon abusing mortals for their own gain. No amount of being an enlightened Essence user makes up the gap between the two of them.
Essentially anytime he's up against a walker or a knight of the outside or a lord of outer night or essentially anything that is particularly older than America he's walking into that territory where he might be exalted which considering who he is it happens pretty often.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
We forgot to follow up on the evil Bob thing from earlier. The Library of Congress is still holding onto a Crown focus I believe. The corpse that was plugged into some government systems IIRC.
@DragonParadox I thought it was supposed to be addressed before the end of the last Arc? If not it should be added to the monthly AP option list or people will definitely forget.
@DragonParadox I thought it was supposed to be addressed before the end of the last Arc? If not it should be added to the monthly AP option list or people will definitely forget.
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Offhand wasn't paying much attention but could we have gone in the labyrinth?
- Yes, he has essence, he can just put his motes in
- No, it is like how you can't make a splendor that makes you succeed on Essence rolls
Will handle it, you guys still have time this month.
Not that I remember in ExvsWoD being available for Infernals. VEE maybe? I haven't designed one, and having to awaken everyone manually is too much of a hussle. I want millions and billions to have awakened essence.
Harry is going to be pressured into Senior Council. He's the Demonreach's Warden (something the council is likely still unaware of), the first awakened essence user among them (and the source of that knowledge), the best Molly handler they have, and a starborn. He's immature, and being McCoy's grandson is an issue, I think, but he's getting the seat at the big table soon. The council can't afford not to tie him in like this.
Depending on what you ascribe to, exalts generate essence ex-nihilo, and Molly is saturating the thin and essence-poor world on the fifth age with her essence. The analogy to salt is pretty clear.
Pretty sure that's an AP action for the next turn, I think. Which we pretty much have to do.
Ok, fair enough. Back to the drawing board.
@DragonParadox is this viable?
Fitful Malady (0 pt. Mystic Element): Manifestation time reduced to one month
Form of Portentous Moonlight (1 pt. Form Element)
Form of Imminent Violence (1 pt. Form Element)
Essence-Stoking Spirit (3 pt. Root Element)
Sorcerous Imbuing (0 pt. Mystic Element): Emerald Circle Binding
Art of Conjury (1 pt. Mystic Element)
Sovereign Elemental Sway (1 pt. Mystic Element)
Scourge the World (2 pt. Mystic Element)
Mystic Fortification (1 pt. Mystic Element): Wits + Craft
Invincible Assertion (3 pt. Root Element): Wits + Craft
Form of Portentous Moonlight (1 pt. Form Element)
Form of Imminent Violence (1 pt. Form Element)
Essence-Stoking Spirit (3 pt. Root Element)
Sorcerous Imbuing (0 pt. Mystic Element): Emerald Circle Binding
Art of Conjury (1 pt. Mystic Element)
Sovereign Elemental Sway (1 pt. Mystic Element)
Scourge the World (2 pt. Mystic Element)
Mystic Fortification (1 pt. Mystic Element): Wits + Craft
Invincible Assertion (3 pt. Root Element): Wits + Craft
A great bladestaff, almost two meters long, it is seemingly a living root of an ancient tree from the most secret depth of Demonreach. A straight long shaft of hard wood from a tree that does not, cannot exist in this day and Age is interwoven with hard rock and metal veins, all of them carved and covered with a flowing script that, in the language as old as Creation itself, lays out the Warden's mandate. On one end, the staff ends in a small crown, the roots twisting to form a pentacle within a circle,the edges glowing with the emerald fires of the Forgotten Tyrant lending their authority to the bearer. On the other, the staff peters off, the shaft narrowing until it becomes a length of edged metal, mortal iron and immortal brass interwoven in to form infinite layers of a blade that is also, without a doubt a key.
This is both the symbol and instrument of the Warden's authority, the tool with which they carry out their duties and uphold their mandate. With but an application of Will, the Warden can call upon the spirits of his domain - both the prisoners and the island itself. Shackles and chains manifest to capture those the Warden hunts, ancient stone walls rise from the ground to defend their master, and reality itself bends to accomodate the Warden's mission, barring the passage into the spirit world to the wicked.
This is both the symbol and instrument of the Warden's authority, the tool with which they carry out their duties and uphold their mandate. With but an application of Will, the Warden can call upon the spirits of his domain - both the prisoners and the island itself. Shackles and chains manifest to capture those the Warden hunts, ancient stone walls rise from the ground to defend their master, and reality itself bends to accomodate the Warden's mission, barring the passage into the spirit world to the wicked.
- Needs to be remanifested each new moon
- Polearm, rolls attack at DC, does Strength +3/L N damage, aggravated damage against spirits
- Magical focus, naturally
- Allows Harry to perceive spirit world and spirits normally without the Sight (and much safer)
- When Harry fulfills his nature as a guardian, and Warden, refills his Essence pool.
- Allows Harry to spend a turn and to make a Wits + Craft roll against difficulty (4 + object's Resources value) to summon whatever object he likes to hand, so long as it resonates with the Splendor's character (ie Demonreach) in some way, such as conjuring binding chains, stone walls, trees, etc.
- Harry can raise or lower the Gauntlet by one degree per success on a Crafts roll to modify it.
- Wits+Craft rolls never fail, are taken at -2 DC, and always generate at least 1 success (two if someone is contesting Harry's claim)
- Harry can deploy a localized "area of Demonreach" around him. This gives him a number of abilities, such as calling upon Alfred to imprison things within his authority, and to call upon the images of imprisoned spirits to either impose a penalty of –3 dice on all actions (due to the interference of meddling spirits), or require proper actions taken at difficulty 9 to avoid being shunted into the Spirit World. Spirits echoes are hostile minor Gafflings and up to 5 can be produced per scene.
For the most part
- Should be Strength+2, it is hard to get more damage out of a human sized melee weapon, notice Molly's sword is +2
- The last one needs a heartstone of Daemonreach, you cannot project it without some part of it being present, which means you would have to figure out how to extract that without pissing it off.
Hmm, OK.
1. Took it directly from C20, I think the reasoning being that it's a 2 handed large weapon. OK, no problem, really.
2. A bit more problematic. What if I took out "calling upon Alfred to imprison things within his authority" at least for now? This way it's more flavoring for generic Scourge of the World element. Harry can do the upgrade later.
Speaking of, he can learn Emerald Circle Binding, right?
That works
Yes, that is Terestrial, though Molly would have to learn it first to teach it to him. Ancient Sorcery spells are what wizards would call rituals, you need to know the proper words and gestures
We'll probably need to learn it to have an answer, but I still gotta ask - does binding a fae using Emerald Cidcle Binding incur debt upon the wizard doing so? Anger, displeasure, and almost certainly revenge, sure, but magical debt?
Nope, no magical debt. You are hacking into leftover reality source code to make them do what you want for a time.
And suddenly this spell becomes much more dangerous, politically speaking. Because, let me guess, stuff they do under the spell also doesn't generate debt in the other direction. I can see all kinds of shenanigans where wizards who owe greater (incarna level) fae debts are forced to bind lesser fae for a year and a day, so they can act outside the existing debt system.
Yep, you could do that.
Fey Duke: "What the hell do you mean 'summoned for jury duty'?"
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Well, we better keep a good eye on Dresden if we teach him that then. Mab would probably salivate over using her favor with Dresden to get that much use.
Yeah, that's going to be "fun" for everyone involved. And really, really politically charged. Mass proliferation of Emerald Circle Binding shifts the global power dynamics in ways that are frankly hard to imagine.
Not to mention that if both buying essence with XP and "once you go beyond E3 you either explode or become a god" remains true, it obsoletes Darkhallow. But introduces xianxia cultivator bullsh*t into the setting.
The Wheel of Ages is turning indeed. And it's not just Molly that's spinning it at this point.
As good as essence makes them I don't think every wizard will be up to ancient sorcery. We were warned that teaching it is something we shouldn't have expected to be able to do pretty early on after all. You need power and authority; this is power but not itself authority.
Harry being an exception among exceptions would make a certain amount of sense, because he had to be deep into the esoteric lore to even get here and is himself a Starborn wizard. People he teaches could easily "only" be able to use it for other things.