We've so far gotten what we wanted and asked for in every metahuman creation vote using the same process and reasoning as what we're using for Can't Touch This. I really don't see how those quotes change anything.
The core idea of Can't Touch This is "use teleportation in a defensive and offensive manner", that's not gonna turn into "John can only teleport himself in harm's way to shield someone else and then die because he's squishy lol". For the former, we theorized that it'll be done by teleporting attacks in his and his tagged individuals' LOS (the "what we wanted"), but that could manifest differently. Even if it does however, we'll still end up with a teleportation power that can be used in a defensive/offensive support role since that's the core idea, the "what we asked for".
We've so far gotten what we wanted and asked for in every metahuman creation vote using the same process and reasoning as what we're using for Can't Touch This. I really don't see how those quotes change anything.
The core idea of Can't Touch This is "use teleportation in a defensive and offensive manner", that's not gonna turn into "John can only teleport himself in harm's way to shield someone else and then die because he's squishy lol". For the former, we theorized that it'll be done by teleporting attacks in his and his tagged individuals' LOS (the "what we wanted"), but that could manifest differently. Even if it does however, we'll still end up with a teleportation power that can be used in a defensive/offensive support role since that's the core idea, the "what we asked for".
I was going to continue the argument, but I don't think we have any chance of convincing one another. I'm still skeptical enough to vote for something else, but if a teleporter wins then that's that.
We know from Black Swan that the best way of increasing REP is having a really dangerous power. Or a power that makes someone a better leader, and a teleporter fits neither. And I think we are in bigger REP hole than an OPS hole.
I find it really possible that with iSpy we might lose the ability to bring others in return for a combat power, since iSpy's power is not really a directly supportive one. We might get someone who can see through the eyes of others and immediately and instantly teleport in their field of view, but not bring others, which would kind of break the support thing. I might be fearmongering though, the answer was really uncertain to me.
I'll keep this in mind for next time we get the opportunity. I'm set on John being a support hero, and while I still kinda like the idea of giving Yara on that Master of Waters plan (Hydrocity + Frostbite + Féth Fíada) or the Zero Point one (Zeno + Frostbite + Millions Minefield), I understand that this would not give her psychic advantages like many in thread seem to be advocating. I'll pitch the tank plan on a different candidate in Cenotaph.
Wolong would like you to include them, but you don't have to. It works like any other New Dawn mission where you can bring one along and then use your summons for a different mission.
Since we're on the topic of defensive support powers, I dug up my old team shielding build and modified it now that we have more tolerance and more DNA to play with.
Chatroom can link an unlimited number of allies telepathically for instant communication within several hundred yards.
By touching an inanimate object, Mister Hunch can see everything that happened around said object in the last 24 hours.
2x Ally Empowerment (Chatroom, Bulwark)
Chatroom can link an unlimited number of allies telepathically for instant communication within several hundred yards.
Bulwark can shroud any person or object in a defensive forcefield that disperses overtime or after absorbing enough impact damage.
2x Energy Manipulation (Bulwark, Millions Minefield)
Bulwark can shroud others in forcefields by hitting them with a beam of energy.
Millions Minefield can redirect and absorb energy to be stored in explosive orbs whose size he can control. The bigger the orb, the greater the explosion.
1x Invincibility (Steadfast)
Steadfast has the most potent form of invincibility on record.
1x Fitness (Soldier X)
Soldier X is in peak human condition at all times.
1x Regeneration (Soldier X)
Soldier X can maintain peak human condition without maintenance.
Much like before, we're talking someone who's able to create shields for anyone in their telepathic network. These shields are ridiculously strong thanks to Steadfast's invincibility and can use the energy from the hits they take to refresh themselves thanks to Mllions Minefield. Not only that but said shields can also be used as reactive armor, exploding with force once broken or whenever they're hit.
For self-defense, I placed Soldier X there to solve any issues with personal stamina and the energy shields' ability to last long with either Fitness or Regeneration, while Energy Manipulation means Helicopter Parent can tag objects and turn them into energy mines and relays for the telepathic network to increase effective range with either touch or an energy beam. This means that they can turn whatever building they're hiding into a very dangerous fortress while they help our team out remotely.
As far as battlefield control goes, I don't think there's many that can compete with Helicopter Parent.
Chatroom can link an unlimited number of allies telepathically for instant communication within several hundred yards.
By touching an inanimate object, Mister Hunch can see everything that happened around said object in the last 24 hours.
2x Ally Empowerment (Chatroom, Bulwark)
Chatroom can link an unlimited number of allies telepathically for instant communication within several hundred yards.
Bulwark can shroud any person or object in a defensive forcefield that disperses overtime or after absorbing enough impact damage.
2x Energy Manipulation (Bulwark, Millions Minefield)
Bulwark can shroud others in forcefields by hitting them with a beam of energy.
Millions Minefield can redirect and absorb energy to be stored in explosive orbs whose size he can control. The bigger the orb, the greater the explosion.
I'd be fine with either, to be honest. Either a Teleportation support specialist, or a Battlefield Control and Shielding support specialist will do wonders at keeping our people alive.
Chatroom can link an unlimited number of allies telepathically for instant communication within several hundred yards.
By touching an inanimate object, Mister Hunch can see everything that happened around said object in the last 24 hours.
2x Ally Empowerment (Chatroom, Bulwark)
Chatroom can link an unlimited number of allies telepathically for instant communication within several hundred yards.
Bulwark can shroud any person or object in a defensive forcefield that disperses overtime or after absorbing enough impact damage.
2x Energy Manipulation (Bulwark, Millions Minefield)
Bulwark can shroud others in forcefields by hitting them with a beam of energy.
Millions Minefield can redirect and absorb energy to be stored in explosive orbs whose size he can control. The bigger the orb, the greater the explosion.
1x Invincibility (Steadfast)
Steadfast has the most potent form of invincibility on record.
1x Fitness (Soldier X)
Soldier X is in peak human condition at all times.
1x Regeneration (Soldier X)
Soldier X can maintain peak human condition without maintenance.
I'd be fine with either, to be honest. Either a Teleportation support specialist, or a Battlefield control support specialist will do wonders at keeping our people alive.
I think you should cut certain names in Helicopter Parent. I look between that and Can't Touch This, and can clearly see one has more potency than the other.
[X] Plan: Artificer (7)
- [X] Mister Hunch (1)
- [X] Multiplex (1)
- [X] Millions Minefield (1)
- [X] Dragonsteeth (3)
- [X] Chatroom (4)
- [X] Potency Reduction (-3)
- Keywords: Clairvoyance x 2, Transformation, Energy Manipulation x 2, Construct Creation, Ally Empowerment
Build Goal: Technopath/Hacker/Engineer/Summoner, aiming for the ability to analyse/create/repair advanced machinery, remote manipulation of robotic constructs.
My preference is pretty clear set, and I think this powerset also fits a bit more with the character and should hopefully be low-key enough that we can continue to conceal the nature of Project Prometheus without too many issues.
Build Goal: Fast Track is here to provide speed to allies and siphoning from enemies to make our squishies more mobile to avoid hits where the personal speed allies for easy Bulwark shield targeting, Steadfast is there to remove Fast Track's personal squishiness so they can withstand the interaction with their own speed, Bulwark is here to give shields to our allies for general protection while helping give people protection against being moved at a fast speed if necessary, Millions is here to convert energy for shifting Fast Track's siphon method and to help bolster Bulwark's shields.
If you know the thing my plan name is referencing, this is meant to be doing that job but much better due to Steadfast and Bulwark. It is a supporting defensive specialist who is inherently extremely flexible but should do the core job very well. The battlefield control should allow for Operations boosting to help with covering the hole here.
I think you should cut certain names in Helicopter Parent. I look between that and Can't Touch This, and can clearly see one has more potency than the other.
Oh, my bad! Got a bit overexcited. Forgot that John Henry is base Tolerance 7.
Had to remove Steadfast and Soldier X, so the shields are reduced but the core idea of refreshing shields and battlefield control by turning inanimate objects into mines and surveillance cameras should be pretty intact.
[X] Give Ellie the EXCEED-BEYOND
[X] Plan: Can't Touch This
[X] Plan: Helicopter Parent
[X] Plan Master of Water - A Throne of our own!
Approval voting for Plan Bellwether once/if it gets here.
[X] Plan: God Fist NEO
-[X] Memoria (4)
-[X] Fast Track (3)
-[X] Steadfast (2)
-[X] Mister Hunch (1)
-[X] Potency Reduction (-3)
-[X] Total Potency: 10
A revamped version of plan God Fist, (which is in itself a spin-off of this plan) now with more focus on both clairvoyance and invincibility. Intended to make a hybrid of both a DBZ-style bruiser and a Clairvoyant who can predict our enemies' next moves.
That ass.... Did Nora try to ruin him. Can we. Oooh I just thought of something when our secret of Goldnine and powers gets out ..... Crusade goes to him to consult. And everyone realizes he is a fraud.
Also I meant Monas costume when she is in combat with Scarlet Maturity.
[]Plan: Messenger & Traveller
leaninng towards this. We do nneed support
By the way what are the powers and specialties of remaining Global Justice members? Any channce that they ar e actuially good at martial arts oor CQC o r firearms
[X] Give Ellie the EXCEED-BEYOND
Mona's body and clothing are energy constructs, they're not really flesh or clothing. Mona is the superdense blackhole that serves as her core, the human exterior is just there for familiarity.
By the way what are the powers and specialties of remaining Global Justice members? Any channce that they ar e actuially good at martial arts oor CQC o r firearms
Oh hey i found ome of my old suggestions.
Plan: Nuclear Knuckle (A potency 13-3= 10 potency)
Ill just drop it here in case we need a bruiser in the future I think it has 3' Invulnerability?
Lighstep+ steadfast+million minefield+ anteus.
I was joking about making a Brachidios expy, but this combination would probably make a walking nuke (literally) thats nigh invincible. (From a certain view point).
still need to see what plans are beimg offered before I vote. People have dissected possible builds out of the wazzoo.
