FSB can deal with (read: put on hold) damage caused by Seeing the wrong thing yeah, those are mechanically derangement.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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FSB can deal with (read: put on hold) damage caused by Seeing the wrong thing yeah, those are mechanically derangement.
The part where it says you can spend 1WP to permanently get rid of an instance of poison.
Implies you can do the inverse to permanently instill an instance of poison or physical change.
You'll notice the same principle with changes made with Flesh 5, where you need to spend 1WP to make them permanent.
I wont complain if the QM lets it be free, though. After all, Tiffany still has to touch her victims and make a difficult roll.
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[X] Plan Rendition
-[X] Writein: Try to keep him alive for more through interrogation once you deal with the traitor inside the Halls
--[X]Tiffany: Lore of Flesh 1 Body Control: Deep coma + blindness
--[X]Sophia: Summon Stormcrow to take him to gym: -1WP
--[X]Lydia: Call the gym to alert them to incoming prisoner
--[X]Molly: Crown question: What are the defensive/ongoing plans of the conspiracy? Focus: Copper tube
RATIONALE
Crown question for Essence regen and intel.
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It is easier too break people than fix them if you are a Fallen Angel.
And Molly can create effectively arbitrary numbers of Olivias by using Inner Devils Unchained.
Worse, she can make some truly horrifying minions by using that charm on dragon bloods or existing cybernetic fomor.
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Well, no, I don't think so. Olivia gets her points from being a Scion. Candidates for that are a little rarer than you might think. But yeah, Molly can greatly expand the minions' abilities. We just don't use it yet because we have a damn kingdom with minions already built in.
Its just the new version of the Spice Girls.
Featuring Scary Spice, Scary Spice, Scary Spice and Super Scary Spice.
She has the population of a world to pick the best and brightest of, many who have millennia of experience in magic, martial arts, and magical martial arts.
That's fair, but her own abilities are still relevant on their own. She's essentially a master sorcerer with significant support powers and even without Molly Olivia could be a real problem.
They'd solve it eventually, but a sniper like her willing to do some research on their target could basically kill most wizards who leave their homes without a specific counter to her active. Even then she could work around that in various ways.
These guys have fought scarier, but that's the problem. Olivia wouldn't try to fight anyone here if she needed to go for it, she'd try to murder them so quickly they'd have to figure out what happened on the afterlife's kill cam.
But they're derangements from a reaction to the sight, and we can't change those memories. In what way is suppressing the trauma from seeing something nasty different than what AtP was trying to do to the perceived significance of Molly?
It was mentioned at the time that Olivia is technically now the progenitor of a new supernatural species and that it would be easier to make more patterned like her as a result.
I think now that she's established the existence of her new kind we could tap a broader selection of people with an "Olivianoid" template to get them started on her path.
You do not judge a population of quest NPCs by PC rules.
And even those people who are in theory qualified might still have no interest. They are people with their own aspirations, not dolls we get to pick off the shelf at will to play with.
Thats all I am going to weigh in on this ongoing argument.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Yeah, it should also be said that judging by McCoy's double take when looking at Olivia then Molly again he may have somewhat of a guess as to what happened there.
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A significant fraction of our people happily and willingly become fomor anyway. As they're religiously devoted to her, they're very likely to accept a blessing from her that, thanks to MiS, has no downsides.
And Olivia isn't a PC, and was only a circle
Member after we chose to uplift her.
IC she isn't special, she's just a random other minor talent before Molly intervened.
Yes, ATP is broken when a wizard Sees something and it harms them, FSB just changes the mind around the memory so that they still remember if perfectly it just does not bother them in the least. Whatever horrific revelation or mind bending truth they saw is now fine. Or to put it another way ATP is broken by pain FSB is made to deal pain in all its forms.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
She carries some manner of divine bloodline.
So? So do lots of other minor talents, I think. The gods got around.
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Pretty sure it's rare and there isn't any particular proof that divine bloodlines are in abundance.
Edit: The gods were banned from screwing with humanity. That puts a hard cap on such things.
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Here's the cite on that species stuff:
It's clearer if you see the question DP is replying to, which is one I asked about her being the first of a new kind and if that would make it easier to set up people in her pattern.
It's clearer if you see the question DP is replying to, which is one I asked about her being the first of a new kind and if that would make it easier to set up people in her pattern.
This is before the fact that that's not how World Of Darkness games work. Including exalted. On no level does world of Darkness assume that a player character or player characters are above and away from their peers.
Full on expecting them to have multiple people that are either younger than them and stronger than them (Mage, Sorcerer, Faeries) or stronger than them and older than them(Vampire, Mages, Sorcerers, Faeries, Werewolves) or possessing both normal and Supernatural competence (Pentex&Camarilla) as well as attributes well above what a player character can have (Elder Mages,Vampires,werewolf) that's just not how World Of Darkness works.
There are given examples of characters with five dots in multiple skills across every world of Darkness game line that are just characters that are meant to show up in a Chronicle not even particularly plot relevant characters either. So it just doesn't make sense to assume that no one else is a multidisciplinary master despite those existing in real life and world of Darkness almost full-on expecting it sometimes.
There are going to be people that just have five dots in skills that just aren't readily apparent the like Athletics or performance. They're going to be Sorcerers with five dots in paths people with five dots in martial arts of whatever type they focus on so on and so forth this default assumption that they're like amazingly rare when that's not supported by either real life or the game line.
Being a 5 dot character means that you are world class but it means you are world class that means there are multiple thousands per country that has the ability to support that Pursuit. Olympic candidates are rare but to reach that threshold isn't actually impossible there were 11,000 Olympic athletes competing in Olympics across 200 countries those are the people that got selected not even the ones that were in the possibility pool and that is still 55 people per country.
We have the same world population in 5 cities dedicated to the pursuit of Skills/ Lifestyles. This weird insistence that mortal levels of skill are completely unattainable or insanely rare when in real life even something that is largely dictated by genetic makeup. (Height weight distribution bone density muscle density) has hundreds of candidates per country is largely facetious to me.
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[X] Try to keep him alive for more through interrogation once you deal with the traitor inside the Halls even if it does mean shedding another pair of War Weavers
[X] Put him in a coma under a lighter guard, for most Talents that would be more than secure enough, but a wizard's mind can be quite slippery, all the more so when it started to come undone
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The enemy wants this guy, who already gave us an invaluable opening to reveal some info, to kill himself on us. So I want him alive.
I don't think people are upset over how the Free Will is portrayed to actually be in the setting, but over how it completely contradicts the "you always have a choice" moral message of the books that Dresden, Michael, Uriel, etc are hammering the reader with.
Dresdenverse is full of moral luck ("freedom of opportunity" Free Will, as you put it), but the problem is that it's almost never treated as such.
[X] Put him in a coma under a lighter guard, for most Talents that would be more than secure enough, but a wizard's mind can be quite slippery, all the more so when it started to come undone
[X] uju32
[X] fictionfan
The enemy wants this guy, who already gave us an invaluable opening to reveal some info, to kill himself on us. So I want him alive.
I don't think people are upset over how the Free Will is portrayed to actually be in the setting, but over how it completely contradicts the "you always have a choice" moral message of the books that Dresden, Michael, Uriel, etc are hammering the reader with.
Dresdenverse is full of moral luck ("freedom of opportunity" Free Will, as you put it), but the problem is that it's almost never treated as such.
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no it is very much treated as such choices can be made that deprive one of free will thats a result of choices others made in the past. This is freedom of opportunity and these opportunities include ending the world, creating new races, becoming gods, and mind controlling others. Its a freedom of choices only in that its freedom towards many many different paths including ending the fucking world in canon.
No where was it ever said it was fair or that free will meant absolute control of oneself. Its free will in that it provides options many of these options can be deprived from someone due to someone elses free will.
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That's how the narrative, worldbuilding and the story treat it, yes.
But that's not how the characters treat it in-universe. Dresden I could see as unreliable narrator, but Michael and especially Uriel?
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I don't get it that very much seems the way its presented. Given people put value on the idea of free will I think this is more a problem with how the viewer sees things. I don't think those individuals have ever treated it differently maybe michael but hes a very moral man who sees goodness in things or at least tries too.
free will doesn't seem to be absolute sanctity for ones choices so much as absolute opportunity of choices. But choices can be locked by other choices which includes the choices of others. Which includes the choices as far back as when the red king was a fucking mortal. Choices that come later too as butcher has made it clear that dresden by the end of the series will have choices that can lead to the end of the world as hes said irl.
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We are just going to have to agree to disagree then, especially as this seems to have become something of a derail.
But IMO Dresden does very much seem to go "just roll Willpower, lol" every time any sort of mental compulsion is mentioned in the books (Red Court saliva, White Court Hunger, pressure to change your personality from Mantles, etc). And Uriel and the rest of the "Heaven faction" are clearly treating Free Will as something more than just an opportunity you might get.