I am absolutely, deadass sure that behind Tarly this one time is an improvement to the Training system, because Teen Spirit has openly said that there's been thoughts about how to make the physical training less, "Push a button, get a swole" or whatnot, and the ideal and smart place to PUT something like that is behind talking with our fucking trainer!
I mean talking to Tarly plus training is effectively spending two options on training so uh, yeah, always going to provide at least a bit more benefit then just training alone.
 
I am absolutely, deadass sure that behind Tarly this one time is an improvement to the Training system, because Teen Spirit has openly said that there's been thoughts about how to make the physical training less, "Push a button, get a swole" or whatnot, and the ideal and smart place to PUT something like that is behind talking with our fucking trainer!

How we do that next time, (as long as nothing vital is happening in that turn)?
 
The more reason to manage his health (mental and physical) even if we can't resolve his sickness. It is paramount to ensure he remains as healthy and supportive as possible.
Well, at least we have pretty much avoided the 4-5 years between episode 2 and episode 4 in which Rhaenyra went into her bratty teenager phase and pretty much refused to talk to both Viserys and Alicent or interact with her siblings, and we can probably avoid the 6 years that she spent isolated in Dragonstone with her family not bothering to return to Kings's Landing...
I am absolutely, deadass sure that behind Tarly this one time is an improvement to the Training system, because Teen Spirit has openly said that there's been thoughts about how to make the physical training less, "Push a button, get a swole" or whatnot, and the ideal and smart place to PUT something like that is behind talking with our fucking trainer!
Well, as Teen Spirit said it is pretty much doubling down on training, which is all well and good BUT, since we are pretty much training 2-3 times per year anyways and we are seeing how our prowess has steadily and consistently improved with that, I am not that worried about losing the training synergy, as I am of not maintaining our Social links, and in this case to try to clean air with Johanna

I am also the only guy in the thread who is not in a hurry to start a romantic relationship with Alicent, but that is mostly because knowing SV mods I would rather avoid any sort of romance when the two girls involved are still minors...
 
Well, at least we have pretty much avoided the 4-5 years between episode 2 and episode 4 in which Rhaenyra went into her bratty teenager phase and pretty much refused to talk to both Viserys and Alicent or interact with her siblings, and we can probably avoid the 6 years that she spent isolated in Dragonstone with her family not bothering to return to Kings's Landing...

Well, as Teen Spirit said it is pretty much doubling down on training, which is all well and good BUT, since we are pretty much training 2-3 times per year anyways and we are seeing how our prowess has steadily and consistently improved with that, I am not that worried about losing the training synergy, as I am of not maintaining our Social links, and in this case to try to clean air with Johanna

I am also the only guy in the thread who is not in a hurry to start a romantic relationship with Alicent, but that is mostly because knowing SV mods I would rather avoid any sort of romance when the two girls involved are still minors...

This is the silliest thing I've heard in at least a few hours.
 
This is the silliest thing I've heard in at least a few hours.
I have personally seen mods intervening in quests several times for that same reason, so I would rather avoid it here...

Really, waifu wars bring out the worst of SV and SB...
I...what? What the heck do you think I'm going to write?
I am not worried at all about what you are going to write, but I have seen quest participants getting carried away and that was what brought the attention of the mods...
 
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The conflict had yet to break out into open warfare. Both sides had declared their loyalty to the Iron Throne, but neither had requested their lieges support. The Small Council had urged Viserys to stay out of it, seeing the matter as an internal problem that would quickly resolve itself due to Arnold's rather lackluster support and they argued the Iron Throne getting involved could just inflame things. You knew that Syrax and you could probably put an end to all of this in a day, but none of the lords on the Small Council were even considering such an action
Kinda regretting not ferrying her here.

Direct intervention from Dragonback would have been fun.
 
Pretty close so probably going to let this go another day.

Adhoc vote count started by Teen Spirit on Sep 11, 2024 at 2:24 PM, finished with 133 posts and 54 votes.
 
All the people voting for Plan The 70,000 Pound Dragon In The Room, seem to be ignoring the even bigger Dragon in the room, A (possible) Three Way Targaryen civil war, which is something I seek to avoid.

Getting SWOLE is not the sole basis of leadership. After all it doesn't matter how many bonuses to fighting we have, If we ignore diplomacy. After all we can't fight all of Westeros all by ourselves. Despite what some people seem to think.
 
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All the people voting for Plan The 70,000 Pound Dragon In The Room, seem to be ignoring the even bigger Dragon in the room, A (possible) Three Way Targaryen civil war, which is something I seek to avoid.

Getting SWOLE is not the sole basis of leadership. After all it doesn't matter how many bonuses to fighting we have, If we ignore diplomacy. After all we can't fight all of Westeros all by ourselves. Despite what some people seem to think.
To be fair, whereas I would rather get the air cleared with Johanna ASAP would be a significantly better use of our actions than doubling down on getting Swole I don't think that not doing it this turn is going to destroy our relationship with our stepmother or our future siblings...
 
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Maybe we should send him a raven explaining our "naive and romantic" point of view? Saying we "wanting to free him and his wife from a loveless marriage so that they could chase whom their hearts desire"?

I don't think that's why we did it, I think we did it b/c Rhea hated him and he wasn't a good husband to her, plus her succession concerns.

If Daemon learns of Otto's involvement, it seems likely he'd assume it was Otto's idea and we're the proxy he's manipulating- he's probably not thinking of us as a player in our own right.

I wonder if Otto can be memed into supporting / at least being okay with Rhaenicent purely to piss off Daemon.

Crack Omake:

Otto thinking: Ugh, that foolish girl flouts every tradition. Gwayne's rise was a pleasant surprise, but we'll be better off when the king has a proper heir. At least my daughter hasn't been drawn into such behavior despite her… temptations.
Daemon: I should have known it was you.
Otto: What?
Daemon: I'd think playing coy was beneath you. You stripped Runestone from me.
Otto: Actually that was the prin-
Daemon: Don't pretend Rhaenyra was anything more than your pawn.
Otto: I mean yes, of course it was me. It seemed only appropriate given how often you remarked on your distaste for your former wife and her home.
Daemon: I knew it had your slime all over it. And now you pollute my Gold Cloaks with your spawn.
Otto: The princess made that appointment.
Daemon: Of course she did. And your daughter had nothing to do with that, did she?
Otto: … I'm sure I don't know what you mean.
Daemon: I'm not sure how your witch of a daughter got her claws into Rhaenyra, but it's plain the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Your family is always worming its way into power, isn't it.
Otto: Alicent is merely the Crown Princess' close companion. Is it any surprise she rewards her favorites?
<Later>
Otto: :thonk::thonk::thonk:
 
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What is that suppose to mean?

You're talking about not taking this particular action this particular turn as if this is us turning our backs forever more on diplomacy or ever talking to the Queen (or any children she would have) again, among other things.

Neither plan ignores diplomacy! Both plans build on the Vale alliance, both of the plans talk to Viserys, and while it's about romance and so on, it's not hard to see that getting closer to Alicent could have diplomatic implications with the Hightowers.
 
All the people voting for Plan The 70,000 Pound Dragon In The Room, seem to be ignoring the even bigger Dragon in the room, A (possible) Three Way Targaryen civil war, which is something I seek to avoid.

Getting SWOLE is not the sole basis of leadership. After all it doesn't matter how many bonuses to fighting we have, If we ignore diplomacy. After all we can't fight all of Westeros all by ourselves. Despite what some people seem to think.
Definitely not going to be that bad. She didn't even drop a relationship level when we did it. Something we should work to manage but it's not critical like you seem to think?
 
I feel, we should get it done now, so we have less to worry about later. These hatreds do built up overtime, especially if left to fester without resolution.
 
[X] Plan: Diplomatic Maneuvers

I'd rather have made my own plan, but at the same time I should really look to better time management

It's time to try and prevent a new DotD after we do recently Nyxed the last one.

If we use canon (I know, a nebulous thing at best) daemon only had 2 daughters in the show (and 2 boys via Rhaenyra but that ain't happening); one of whom didn't even get a dragon (though I'd prefer if his other [im gonna go with bastard] daughter nettles had the role instead); his ability to make alliances is pretty much limited to the Velaryens, who are willing to deal with his bs.

But, outside of trying to poke viserys until he's allowed to come back/be made heir again, i don't see him making any moves until his brother is cremated.

I'd rather we don't create a Alicent 2:0 situation where with no potential childhood/'friendship' ties to make them some what pull back in the end. So it's better to start with not pissing off new mum any more than we already have; and probably causing Viserys even more stress about how we keep making stupid decisions regarding our image, as he tries to keep up damage control.

Something we need to keep in mind going forward is that, yes he's fine with our tastes; but he is very worried about Rhaenyras ability to have a stable succession after he dies. Open/naked scandal is not the way.

And for those who do want an obviously lesbian/bisexual queen, I'd rather have that backed up with a legion of grandchildren he can dote over, to help back our claim when it happens. You only need to look at Aemond for why the half siblings can't be fully relied on.
 
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