[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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It doesn't assume that our enemies are unimaginative or stupid it just assumes that we're not the center of their fucking lives. Nicodemus has plans within plans and his 2,000 years old if he's not on a scheme right now I'd eat my hat you think he's going to just stop what he's doing oh shit I better nip on down to South America and call in a bunch of favors that might help me against anyone else that I've made an enemy of in my fucking long ass life to Siege this portal that I might not actually be able to cross due to the Arcane rules of how the fuck my coin works.
The point I'm making is the denarians are largely a human faction that is paired with an angel, the angels are the ones that hate us but if they can't convince their humans attacking a fortified position is a good idea and they're not wearing their humans like a sock they're just kind of shit out of luck.
That's kind of the thing that attracts my attention about people surmising about our enemies it's that our enemies just have nothing else going on or anything else to do or might be doing something or that there's fog of war and they might not even be aware of the portal until we're getting close to closing it or never hear about it at all.
Nemesis is actively battling to not be fucking found by the angel of death at all times being too magically overt in his possession of people means suddenly the Thunder of God Appears on his doorstep. The Yama kings are constantly under threat from each other and in this continuity from the outside of Elder Kuei jin and other gods of the dead. The denarians are a nearly omniversely hated faction of assholes who have recently burned a Bridges with winter and possibly the entire Accords. That largely do not coordinate and appear to kind of hate each other. On top of all having their own separate schemes going on. That they would need to drop to chase a random portal in the middle of Brazil.
I largely operate from the idea that the world doesn't revolve around us and people don't have instant feeds of When lines of vulnerability especially lines of vulnerability that line up because of a botched ritual to consume a God and then Molly attempts to keep the god alive opens a portal in the middle of the ass end of the Amazon rainforest.
You are right if Nicodemus wants in he's going to get in but he's going to try to use a bunch of Shadow monsters or bound demons or any other assortment of crazy things general distractive shit to make sure that he can get in but this place is right next to a river if he tries to get in we are not even 2 minutes away depending on where we are in the world. The fact that a magic Vault might be able to hold him off even for a minute hell even 30 or so seconds would be enough for us to possibly come in behind him before he can leave with whatever he wanted.
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I'm not going to lie, this scenario would be totally sick.
If this happens: a pitched battle where we unleash the full power of our billion-strong army, all the surprises and superweapons an E5 Infernal can come up with, plus our allies and favors and in return our enemies throw everything and the kitchen sink at us...
I would be okay with Molly dying in this, this would be a worthy ending for an Exalted and would create big shoes for the one who inherits our crown to fill and in the end, most importantly...
It would be totally cool to read.
That should be the most important thing in everyone's consideration: is this direction of the story cool to read? For me it is.
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
-[X] Ask the god to take you to a leyline nexus, whatever's close and empty.
-[X] Set up for full crafting buffs (CCC, BSM, WHWH, FPoR, excellency), max out FPoR's bonus by performing the quickest possible warm up rolls for occult.
-[X] Craft the Second Chance splendor
-[X] Use it to restore Mallko to a more whole state, then have Sophia attempt to heal the basic health track damage
-[X] [Stunt]: "Perhaps there is another way, if a rougher one". A deep resolve entered Molly's voice, a mountain that would not be moved "I can attempt a restoration here, but I'll need the remains of that thing and a leyline nexus." Drifting into the air Molly continued "If you wish to be whole we need to move".
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
-[X] Ask the god to take you to a leyline nexus, whatever's close and empty.
-[X] Set up for full crafting buffs (CCC, BSM, WHWH, FPoR, excellency), max out FPoR's bonus by performing the quickest possible warm up rolls for occult.
-[X] Craft the Second Chance splendor
-[X] Use it to restore Mallko to a more whole state, then have Sophia attempt to heal the basic health track damage
-[X] [Stunt]: "Perhaps there is another way, if a rougher one". A deep resolve entered Molly's voice, a mountain that would not be moved "I can attempt a restoration here, but I'll need the remains of that thing and a leyline nexus." Drifting into the air Molly continued "If you wish to be whole we need to move".
Killing them as soon as they enter the dimension which respawns anyone who dies in it doesn't strike me as terribly useful.
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You forgot the open bracket on your vote.
Fighting Fit tries saving the god without the portal.
I'd prefer a cool victory to a cool defeat all things considered.
The point isn't that he'll pop down here immediately, it's that as we push the world it's going to push back. Nicodemus isn't stupid, our position on his existence is clear and the potential leverage we offer to his cause if exploited properly is obvious.
We're not the center of his life, but he'd be a fool not to be thinking about us as a problem and at some point he's going to notice the three knights of the round table and angry prehistoric volcano god we've picked up to ruin his day.
I think banking on a rule about our ability to keep them applying to their ability to enter the place is unwise. Even our intervention might not be guaranteed because a smart opponent would coordinate strikes to split our attention.
If I was them that's what I'd do; set up "head I win, tails you lose" scenarios where I go for multiple objectives and force us to choose where to commit resources.
To expand the scope to other opponents, we're almost certainly in the top 5 things Nemesis hates about this millennium at minimum. He changed his global game plan because we pissed him off that much. He does have opposition, he still gets shit done. Even when it fails it's still hilariously destructive to the people in the splash zone.
The world doesn't revolve around us, but it also isn't going to give us a free pass. We've made it obvious we support the knights, and they had to invent a new word for what we did to one of the Denarians' senior members. Nemesis wants to start witch hunts again to spite us and other outsiders are clearly concerned about us.
We're firmly on the to-do list.
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Nicodemus personally doing anything sounds retarded as it'd be practically worse than storming Arctis tor for a fight. We literally have more standing soldiers than any army in the world and magic shit to equip all of them.
Okay this comes around to the when are they going to abandon the plans they do have already going to nip on down to South America. When are they going to learn there's a portal in South America because Nicodemus isn't a wizard level Talent the only denarian we see that is a wizard level Talent by themselves is Lashiel's second host so there is no sight or using mortal divination and if they use their intellectus they immediately let Uriel use his. So when are they going to learn of this portal in the ass end of South America no Reds are able to tell even their superiors at this point because some of them are just turned into bats and others into near human red things and all of them are still here. So where does this data breach somehow managed to escape back out.
That's what I was also saying the fog of War goes both ways we don't know what Nicodemus is currently doing in turn Nicodemus is not constantly aware of what we're doing. We've gathered allies even before we ever set ourselves against the denarians we got our favors from winter and summer before we made Tiffany's body. The knights and Embermane look like an obvious continuation of that trend from the outside because they don't know the conversations that were held in literally an underworld that has nothing to do with Christianity or a piece of the Never Never where we literally captured the silver spy so how is he supposed to know those are for him.
Nemesis has had to change his modus operandus but I imagine the course of his tenure he's not been possessing people who already have spirits in their body or know about him and aren't surprised when they get a screening before they can go back home. His whole shit is being an infiltrator and he's not a strong enough one to avoid our crown and he's not enough of a fighter to avoid our blade either. So on top of his limited number of slots and the weird beings he would be trying to possess on top of the fact that we can just screen everyone that comes through the portal before we let them go back there's no way for a vector to even get back into our hell and if we find him we will kill him as we have done every time we've found him.
The denarians To Do List also includes God, all three of the sword angels, Uriel, the white Council if they meet them, every other person they've ever pissed off which you know between Nico and his shenanigans that he's been doing over his lifetime how many powerful Elders do you think he's pissed off of the 10,000 the Reds the blacks the whites has recently fucked his relationship with mab there's a lot of shit that would like to see Archleone overextend in the middle of nowhere and would like to kill him. We are on the list but you know more pressing matters like how can this particular human denarian use their magic to live comfortably while fucking over this random efforts of God probably.
I am being serious by the way they can only scrounge together half of the denarians to try and assassinate the archive and you expect me to believe that more or any of them really would come down because one of them was dealt a personal insult.
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Imma note we don't actually know nicodemus goals and saying something like it's beat God is kinda incredulous. Beyond you know working for those that rebelled against him being the only real connecting point to that. Like nicodemus it's been pretty clear even if we don't know his goals they aren't just evil for evil sakes he clearly has some mastermind plan he's doing his shit for.
Yeah that's extremely true it's just the denarians end up boiling down to just Nicodemus because every other denarian we ever see would be immediately killed if they ran up against armed opposition that knew about magic or had magic of their own to the point where Dresden by himself and there is a lot of magical juice there no doubt but he kicks the shit out of one of them and nearly kills Nick on his own.
So Nicodemus is actually the only one who like presents a real threat because he's the only one who's one been alive long enough(resources, Magic) and two has shown a strong enough connection to his coin to get special abilities alongside his weird immortality. But if Nicodemus himself doesn't show up. An army with Spirit guns is pretty much enough to mow down anything he could throw this Portal's way without pause if another reason then we can literally make Bale fire mines and lay them around the perimeter.
It's not like the other denarians are actually fodder but without some kind of Relic like the noose they are just human bodies that are not at all resilient to being shot at by Electro laser pistols by people who do just have super speed as a Baseline and can have Supernatural powers of their own including sorcery that might allow them to bind spirits.
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[X] Plan Fighting Fit
-[X] Ask the god to take you to a leyline nexus, whatever's close and empty.
-[X] Set up for full crafting buffs (CCC, BSM, WHWH, FPoR, excellency), max out FPoR's bonus by performing the quickest possible warm up rolls for occult.
-[X] Craft the Second Chance splendor
-[X] Use it to restore Mallko to a more whole state, then have Sophia attempt to heal the basic health track damage
-[X] [Stunt]: "Perhaps there is another way, if a rougher one". A deep resolve entered Molly's voice, a mountain that would not be moved "I can attempt a restoration here, but I'll need the remains of that thing and a leyline nexus." Drifting into the air Molly continued "If you wish to be whole we need to move".
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
-[X] Ask the god to take you to a leyline nexus, whatever's close and empty.
-[X] Set up for full crafting buffs (CCC, BSM, WHWH, FPoR, excellency), max out FPoR's bonus by performing the quickest possible warm up rolls for occult.
-[X] Craft the Second Chance splendor
-[X] Use it to restore Mallko to a more whole state, then have Sophia attempt to heal the basic health track damage
-[X] [Stunt]: "Perhaps there is another way, if a rougher one". A deep resolve entered Molly's voice, a mountain that would not be moved "I can attempt a restoration here, but I'll need the remains of that thing and a leyline nexus." Drifting into the air Molly continued "If you wish to be whole we need to move".
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
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Furthermore, I would like to remind you all that this turn we chose to spend clone AP using the teachers we got from Maeve to eliminate one of the great weaknesses of our mages, not being accustomed to local cosmology. With this, our already enormous war-magic power took another big leap upwards.
If we can save this god, a few concerns about the annihilation of the Reds (the resulting power vacuum in two-thirds of the American continent) can be alleviated, especially since he has the whole "the land is him, he is the land" thing.
We really need to buy the corrupt terrain charm to take even more advantage of this chance.
If we can save this god, a few concerns about the annihilation of the Reds (the resulting power vacuum in two-thirds of the American continent) can be alleviated, especially since he has the whole "the land is him, he is the land" thing.
We really need to buy the corrupt terrain charm to take even more advantage of this chance.
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[X] Plan Stargate Command
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
Yeah I've come down from the "cool" high
Uh I don't necessarily care about specific characters from Sanctuary, but I do sure as fuck care that it's Molly's Soul and letting in a Nemesis seems...horrifically unwise in too many ways to count.
Who gives a shit if it can't make a bureaucrat fudge the wool production numbers since double entry bookeeping or whatever? NEMESIS WOULD BE IN MOLLY'S SOUL. The thing that's functionally been described as eldritch magic virus? What if it can infect the local rocks or general environment? It's a weird eldritch thing, nothing says it has actual biological limits. It's just that normally a rock wouldn't actually do anything. The equation likely changes drastically when the local geology is the soul stuff of it's most hated enemy.
Honestly the whole "pffftt who cares if Nemesis gets in Molly's soul" is the biggest thing that made me go "wait hol up" for making a portal.
[X] Plan Fighting Fit
[X] Regretfully Goodbye, you cannot take the risk
Yeah I've come down from the "cool" high
Uh I don't necessarily care about specific characters from Sanctuary, but I do sure as fuck care that it's Molly's Soul and letting in a Nemesis seems...horrifically unwise in too many ways to count.
Who gives a shit if it can't make a bureaucrat fudge the wool production numbers since double entry bookeeping or whatever? NEMESIS WOULD BE IN MOLLY'S SOUL. The thing that's functionally been described as eldritch magic virus? What if it can infect the local rocks or general environment? It's a weird eldritch thing, nothing says it has actual biological limits. It's just that normally a rock wouldn't actually do anything. The equation likely changes drastically when the local geology is the soul stuff of it's most hated enemy.
Honestly the whole "pffftt who cares if Nemesis gets in Molly's soul" is the biggest thing that made me go "wait hol up" for making a portal.
Circles are pretty much unbreakable with enough power invested into them. Like it fan even bind angels if you have enough power.
Not really, we are just ad immune to it from the inside as we are from the outside
We purge it then. We control our world and can exrocise anything.
Infecting the the soulstuff doesn't matter, because that part is not where we run our mind. Not all soul stuff is not the same.
Also it can posses us right now if that was an issue, we don't have the anti shaping charm up all the time and nothing else stops its possesion. It doesn't do that so one more aveneue of attack seems eh.
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I also prefer victory but like I think than my problem is that I'm getting bored with the quest, because before I agreed with being careful, but I got tired of several updates where we barely did anything and felt like: we say a word, a vote is needed, our enemies have a monologue, another vote, etc.
Especially since this damn arc seems to be going to spread even more than Vegas, since as mentioned before, we're in the side quest (saving the god) of the side quest (finding Morgan) of the main quest (The Black Council). This is after the Demonreach arc, which was also long and boring (especially the damn birds) and not long after Boston and Vegas.
My excitement has been in the trash for a while now and I just want to blow up an entire country with balefire bombs or something instead of spending five updates in a row just making constantly updated plans.
I honestly think @DragonParadox really got lost in making these huge arcs and doing so many votes for details that could let Molly IC decide.
Replies later today, hopefully.
Quick voting now before I go to bed:
None of this drama is necessary.
Molly has Sapphire Circle Exorcism. It works on the Shadows of the Fallen, its worked on Nemesis, its worked on possessing spirits, and we've been told it would work on Fae Court Mantles. It will work on this guy.
Exorcise him from the land, then pick him up and move him to somewhere where he can recuperate and be healed.
I suggest Last Station, because from there we can get him to Arcane Forge and bring some spirit specialists from Sanctuary.
Or even have him negotiate with Summer for healing on his own dime. Bring him back when he's healed.
VOTE
[X]Plan Gordian Knot
-[X] Molly: Jump to Sanctuary for supplies, and return in 1 min with 20x mix of casters/medics + soldiers
-[X] Use Ancient Sorcery: Sapphire Circle Exorcism: 5m, 1 hour casting time
-[X] Use Occult Excellency if necessary: 1m
-[X] Sophia: Gather the ex-vampires into a group and stand guard
-[X] Clippy: Text home and update them that you will be a little delayed
-[X] STUNT: You return to the sound of Sophia's phone playing Im Not Okay, 20x members of Sanctuary's military at your back. "Like I said, have a little faith, Mallko." As your mailed feet hit the ground lightning begins to fall by your will, burning a ritual circle into the bones of the earth of the clearing. "Our scheduled departure," you address the wizards as your troops fan out "will be in a little over an hour."
RATIONALE
Sapphire Circle Exorcism takes an hour.
Roll Intelligence 5 + Occult 5 + Without Honor 2 + Stunt 2 at DC 6 (Base 8 - BSM 1 - Shintai 1) = 14 dice at DC6.
Occult Excellency would add another +10 dice if used.
Needs 5 successes in an extended roll, I think. Should be straightforward.
Molly can cross into Sanctuary and bring a guard force out. It costs her Essence to take people into Sanctuary, it doesnt cost her Essence to bring them out. So she could jump into Sanctuary and bring a squad of 20 Hand agents/dragon men in power armor/spirit callers to guard as she does the exorcism ritual.
We are a multi-species society, and Sanctuary has experience with spirits, even very big ons.
They'll presumably have measures for stabilizing injured spirits. Hit a hospital, grab supplies and military medics.
Then the wizards can open a path in the NeverNever and we can walk back to Last Station via the Ways with an armed escort.
Quick voting now before I go to bed:
*looks at split vote*
None of this drama is necessary.
Molly has Sapphire Circle Exorcism. It works on the Shadows of the Fallen, its worked on Nemesis, its worked on possessing spirits, and we've been told it would work on Fae Court Mantles. It will work on this guy.
Exorcise him from the land, then pick him up and move him to somewhere where he can recuperate and be healed.
I suggest Last Station, because from there we can get him to Arcane Forge and bring some spirit specialists from Sanctuary.
Or even have him negotiate with Summer for healing on his own dime. Bring him back when he's healed.
VOTE
[X]Plan Gordian Knot
-[X] Molly: Jump to Sanctuary for supplies, and return in 1 min with 20x mix of casters/medics + soldiers
-[X] Use Ancient Sorcery: Sapphire Circle Exorcism: 5m, 1 hour casting time
-[X] Use Occult Excellency if necessary: 1m
-[X] Sophia: Gather the ex-vampires into a group and stand guard
-[X] Clippy: Text home and update them that you will be a little delayed
-[X] STUNT: You return to the sound of Sophia's phone playing Im Not Okay, 20x members of Sanctuary's military at your back. "Like I said, have a little faith, Mallko." As your mailed feet hit the ground lightning begins to fall by your will, burning a ritual circle into the bones of the earth of the clearing. "Our scheduled departure," you address the wizards as your troops fan out "will be in a little over an hour."
RATIONALE
Sapphire Circle Exorcism takes an hour.
Roll Intelligence 5 + Occult 5 + Without Honor 2 + Stunt 2 at DC 6 (Base 8 - BSM 1 - Shintai 1) = 14 dice at DC6.
Occult Excellency would add another +10 dice if used.
Needs 5 successes in an extended roll, I think. Should be straightforward.
Molly can cross into Sanctuary and bring a guard force out. It costs her Essence to take people into Sanctuary, it doesnt cost her Essence to bring them out. So she could jump into Sanctuary and bring a squad of 20 Hand agents/dragon men in power armor/spirit callers to guard as she does the exorcism ritual.
We are a multi-species society, and Sanctuary has experience with spirits, even very big ons.
They'll presumably have measures for stabilizing injured spirits. Hit a hospital, grab supplies and military medics.
Then the wizards can open a path in the NeverNever and we can walk back to Last Station via the Ways with an armed escort.
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@uju32 I think it won't work because Sapphire's Exorcism is to bring things back to order, he being tied to the earth (which is what gets in our way here) is his natural state as a god with that nature. Our clone broke his bonds but he is not possessed or cursed.
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Disagree.
He's a god, not a genius loci.
The earth existed before he did, it will exist after he is gone. He's an aftermarket add-on, not a natural part of the earth as created. None of the gods or Great Dragons are.
He's not even god of the earth or anything, he's god of law, and in some stories son of the sun-god.
There's no intrinsic link to this place, just to the Inca people who lived here.
If we can exorcise the demons of unawakened Whampires who was born with it, or a Coin that someone picked up, or a Mantle of a Fae Court Queen, we can almost certainly do the same here.
IMO.
Now I really should go to bed.
The QM can rule at their leisure, but there isnt anything stopping us yanking him out and moving him.
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I think the implication is that he's Bane writ large - a god of a place / land. I am fairly sure we cannot exorcise Bane from the apartment we made it in because there's nothing to exorcise / it would be exorcised into the apartment? Still, it's a very interesting thought.
@DragonParadox could you weigh in on the option of exorcism being useful here?
[X] Plan Stargate Command
[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
I would love to vote only for Stargate but the next winning option to saving the god alone is not taking the risk and I refuse to do that.
[X] You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
I would love to vote only for Stargate but the next winning option to saving the god alone is not taking the risk and I refuse to do that.
He might not be a wizard, but the Denarians can get some wild cheating going and he has some people built like that going for him. He also has Hell's information network going for him. The simplest part of which is that his partner Anduriel hears everything said in the presence of a shadow unless an appreciable amount of effort is put into blocking him.
Perhaps he isn't paying attention right now, but this event will be rather loud and he can simply listen for anyone looking into it to get more details. Like say the red court investigating what the hell happened to their divine cattle and the elder who was supposed to be making steak.
We won't necessarily move to the top of his list, but as Molly becomes a problem or an opportunity things are going to happen. "He won't bother" isn't a good defense to rely on and his ability to act isn't crippled by his own misbehavior until after Mab played him much later in the series.
No; see Harry and the Erlking. They provide leverage but it's possible to defeat them. It's even possible to be clever about it and deal with the problem by attacking the circle through whatever it isn't protecting itself against.
You're acting like this is some perfect trick that everyone else was too unimaginative to use. If it worked like that a number of different events wouldn't have happened as they did. Hell, our own trip to the Wicked City would have ended with a circle ward around Joe as a basic defense we had no answer for.
I don't really feel the same way at all. We've done a lot of stuff to set up crazy stuff to happen in the future and that themselves have been interesting.
Fair enough if you're not having fun, but maybe don't vote for deliberate self sabotage just to see if the flames burning our stuff down will be pretty?