Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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Did you ever see me do it?
That's quite the accusation you are pulling there.
I don't intend to mass ping at any point, I have always been against it and my attitude towards it is not dependent on which vote would benefits from it.
I would have told the same thing if someone had announced their intention to mass ping to make *my* vote, as you so call it, win, if the situation was inverted.
Now, before you continue saying *but you have no proof you wouldn't do it*, you can't prove a negative; so I rest my case here and that's it.
Also:
I am not sure Yog's plan is the same action, if I am reading most of how the QM does things correctly.
Because it uses essence, and from what I remember a vote using essence and one not using it are counted as two separate things.
May as well make sure actually:
@DragonParadox, will you count Yog's plan and the vote to save the god without any addition as the same vote in case it changes the result?
They are indeed counted separately, especially in cases like this essence being spent is important.
Thanks for the heads up.
To everyone that is voting only to save the god:
Yog's plan has us save the god too and is better prepared for both the immediate consequences and the long terms ones, you should all at least vote for both.
There.
@BoredMan, as you can see, I am not mass pinging when it would arrange me more than the other side.
Does that mean TTC doesn't accelerate this kind of craft? The commentary on the crafting stuff references speed boosting charms so it doesn't seem out of line.
Otherwise yeah, this basically adds a complication now to avoid what looks like a much larger complication later.
I think you're not being imaginative enough for these guys. Simply trying to run into the defenses is unlikely to be the game. Maybe as a distraction, but not as an end itself. There's also the issue of collateral damage of even failed attempts.
Consider that they took a shot at Demonreach through indirect means. It didn't ultimately work, but they set off the Chicago fire trying. The Black Death doesn't appear to have tipped the scales in their favor, but a lot of people died in misery because of it.
The knights would work against them, but they aren't perfect.
Things can be done to make this a harder target - I think splendor interactions with the land link holding Mallko here in particular have promise - but it is unwise to think of these as sure things or to discount the potential costs of even failed attempts.
Feels like a bit of a shot at my plan since I've argued against this very thing and am currently pushing the only non-portal god preserving alternative. For the record I'm legitimately trying to find a middle ground so we can have security and save Mallko.
Despite my historical opposition to the portal as a general security problem I'm very tempted by this situation. Mallko seems like an upright guy so far and even if he was evil nobody deserves what happened to him. Helping him feels like the right thing to do and could potentially do a lot for our agenda.
If I'm totally honest I actually find the idea of transforming what's probably a significant part of South America into something FCF aligned more interesting than the neutral option of bribing him back via splendor. It's just that the vulnerability introduced is very significant.
Don't we default to excellency for important rolls? That's the only thing @Yog is spending on in his plan and using our base pool for the targeting roll of an indefinite duration portal is somewhat alarming.
You can for the parts that are mundane crafting, making the item that will become the splendor, but when it comes to the Sorcery itself no.
Not when we might be going into combat Soon (TM). That is Molly's big weakness.
It is more of a remark of what kind of steps could be taken to do it.
The fact that it looks a lot like a genuine attempt would is the point, as in that case the intent would be to hide the bad intentions behind the wiener of legitimacy.
I do not think you are doing it.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I didn't accuse you of anything? You didn't say anything in any of the cases of it being used for your vote before but your saying something now at the prospect of it being used against it is what I'm pointing out.
I'm rather sure this has been handled differently in the past but I could've gotten that mixed up with how new stunts are handled.
Never said you would?
The way you said that of course I am saying this now as it arranges my vote can very easily be read as telling that I would be a hypocrite and do it as soon as it arranges me.
It may not have been your intent, but it is how I read it.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
..Obviously not. You've been in thread for a while and have voted for loosing votes plenty of times. It would have "arranged" you in several instances. Believing you would suddenly do it later 3000+ pages in would make no sense.
Oh my. Then we really should start consolidating votes, because we really need that excellency.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox Can I get clarification on this? I didn't mean that they'd count towards Yog's variation, I was saying that the main segment (first part) of his vote would be counted in with the sole segment of the leading one, that is to open a portal since they both contain the exact same wording.
Edit: Like, I can't see why they'd need to approval vote when the thing they'd be approval voting for is the main body/first part of the plan they're already supporting word for word. Why would they not just also be counted as support for the main vote even without the addition?
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You are missing your first bracket.
To turn things back to our current situation, supposing the portal plan wins what do we do next?
Our FCF side forces will need organized so we should probably leave Sophia with them. She can lock the area down and get some temporary patches in place to stop a rushed attack.
We need to get the wizards up to speed and in contact with the other members of the clean up team while recovering as much essence as possible. Hopefully Odin has gotten some stuff going because we didn't leave any plans in place for this.
Peabody needs to be put down, and the black council members defanged. Do we rush that, maybe try to deploy troops? If we push too fast we might scare the council into thinking we're attacking them, which would be bad.
If we convince Morgan of the situation he could theoretically take over as acting warden commander while Luccio is under the influence to give us permission to act, but it's really unlikely he'd go for that because he's loved her for the greater part of the last two centuries. That has the danger of looking like a coup even if he did though.
There's also the matter of the red court taking advantage of the chaos, but we did just deal them a significant blow so they might be too paranoid to act. If they do we may need to cover for them. Even if they don't want to risk major assets spamming fledglings at outposts they know are in the middle of a civil conflict would be a cheap way to kill wizards.
Unfortunately while our people have been preparing this will likely surprise them a bit, so we can't expect to pull entire armies out of nowhere and also defend our new weak point on the spot.
So what do we want to prioritize?
Our FCF side forces will need organized so we should probably leave Sophia with them. She can lock the area down and get some temporary patches in place to stop a rushed attack.
We need to get the wizards up to speed and in contact with the other members of the clean up team while recovering as much essence as possible. Hopefully Odin has gotten some stuff going because we didn't leave any plans in place for this.
Peabody needs to be put down, and the black council members defanged. Do we rush that, maybe try to deploy troops? If we push too fast we might scare the council into thinking we're attacking them, which would be bad.
If we convince Morgan of the situation he could theoretically take over as acting warden commander while Luccio is under the influence to give us permission to act, but it's really unlikely he'd go for that because he's loved her for the greater part of the last two centuries. That has the danger of looking like a coup even if he did though.
There's also the matter of the red court taking advantage of the chaos, but we did just deal them a significant blow so they might be too paranoid to act. If they do we may need to cover for them. Even if they don't want to risk major assets spamming fledglings at outposts they know are in the middle of a civil conflict would be a cheap way to kill wizards.
Unfortunately while our people have been preparing this will likely surprise them a bit, so we can't expect to pull entire armies out of nowhere and also defend our new weak point on the spot.
So what do we want to prioritize?
While the image of our legions marching through the breach is tempting, I think we should prioritize Peabody for at least the next 24 hours. It should take time for Red Court to muster an attack, and even then it should be probing at first - the power of a god is not insignificant, and they clearly didn't expect it to slip the leash. They should be concentrating on securing the remaining gods, I hope. So, yeah, leave Sophia and possibly Carlos or some other wizards here to organize the defense of the portal, and move onto Peabody.
Because it is conceivable that someone wants to try but not use the excellency. The only votes that add up are the ones that include non-resource spending stunts so we do not end up with no stunt when people did propose for one, but when it comes to recourse allocation it actually has to win a plurality. From what I recall we had this conversation a back in 2022 in thread. I recognize that it may lead to situations where similar votes that do spend resources do not get through, but I think that is better than the hypothetical situation where Molly gets killed because I the GM took a guess on how you guys wanted to spend motes based on disparate votes.
The system's not perfect but it's the best I have.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
That's not what I'm saying.
This is the main part/segment of Yog's vote-
You are saving an ancient Peruvian God today and that's final, you'll find some way to guard the gate or sever it later
If someone votes for his vote then they're also voting for this part. This part is its own separate vote as well. So why would those votes for Yog's plan not also count towards the essenseless version?
Oh yeah the plan counts as the base vote too, it is just the base vote does not count as the plan since it spends essence.
Making the Red Court afraid they're in a Foothold situation may be valuable through. Panicking them into throwing whatever they have at the gate in fear of what's coming through next could allow out forces to inflict very serious casualties on them.
It would also make it very hard to the conspiracy to draw on any resources they have in the Red Court if they're throwing all their ready assets at the gate.
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Another thought, we were told that anyone reincarnated in Sanctuary becomes a creature of darkness; presumably because they're changed to be partially made of our essence.
I wonder what'll happen to a land god bound to the earth to become partially made of infernal essence.
I wonder what'll happen to a land god bound to the earth to become partially made of infernal essence.