Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

uju32 · Aug 19, 2024

Yog said:
They bring a lot of concentrated firepower - three high level dragonblooded exalts are a force to be reckoned with.

Not the issue here.
We arent trying to kill all the wizards, especially since at least some of them wont be in their right minds.
A high firepower deployment is contrary to most of our aims with regards to limiting collateral damage.

And Im loath to actually reveal their capabilities until its actually needed.
Not to mention that their origins are a complication in its own right.

Yog said:
Range extension splendor allows her to sap parameters from afar, which is something that's almost impossible to counter.

Lore of Light 1

LIGHT
This simple evocation allows a demon to fill an area with pale silvery light, akin to moonlight. The light seems to emanate from the area's surroundings, allowing individuals to move and act in the illuminated area without penalty. This evocation also has a more tactical application, permitting the demon to stun or disorient opponents with intense, blinding flashes.

System: Roll Stamina + Science, The evocation illuminates one cubic yard per success rolled, centered on the character. The light persists for a number of turns equal to the demon's Faith score.

When used tactically, the intense flashes of light can be focused in a single direction. Any individuals, friend or foe, who look in that direction at the time of the flash suffer a number of levels of bashing damage equal to the successes rolled. Flashes of light appear for only a turn.
Torment: Monstrous demons fill their surroundings with inky, suffocating darkness, affecting an area as above. They can move unhindered though this darkness. Other individuals within the area of effect are effectively blind.

This is a line of sight weapon as literally her first ability in the Lore of Light.
She rolls 9 dice(Stamina 5 + Science 4) with no preptime, or 14 dice(Stamina 10 + Science 4) with preptime to apply Manipulate Flesh to her own physical stats.

Again, she doesnt need range extension. She can knock you out from the horizon.
There's other offensive and defensive applications in her Lores.
A splendor for her needs to be for something she cant already learn to do.

Yog said:
Fascilitate communication, and yes, they apply. We need to absolutely prevent the following:
1) Cult members either joining Red Court or just giving them a lot of strategic information
2) Unsealing any of the ancient evils from their cans.
3) Decapitation strikes
4) Masquerade breakdown

He doesnt do this.
He certainly doesnt appear to do it for free.

BronzeTongue said:
Odin is grey council, so we'd basically be showing up to the CIA's office during the cold war with a list of KGB infiltrators all across the world.
I don't think we necessarily need to buy his services, but if he learns those names I think he'd do something with them.

This is reasonable.
As long as we're not making plans based on when he will act on them.

BronzeTongue · Aug 19, 2024

Are we proceeding with the plan after this or should we vote for a whole line of action as well?

uju32 · Aug 19, 2024

BronzeTongue said:
Are we proceeding with the plan after this or should we vote for a whole line of action as well?

I guess we're proceeding.
I should probably vote.

uju32 · Aug 19, 2024

VOTE
[X] Trainees: The bare bones, there are lots of evil wizards infiltrating the White Council
[X] Carlos: The bare bones of the conspiracy

Yog · Aug 19, 2024

uju32 said:
Not the issue here.
We arent trying to kill all the wizards, especially since at least some of them wont be in their right minds.
A high firepower deployment is contrary to most of our aims with regards to limiting collateral damage.

And Im loath to actually reveal their capabilities until its actually needed.
Not to mention that their origins are a complication in its own right.

It is my opinion that we need to either kill or subdue as many of the conspirators as possible as quickly as possible.

uju32 said:
Lore of Light 1
LIGHT
This simple evocation allows a demon to fill an area with pale silvery light, akin to moonlight. The light seems to emanate from the area's surroundings, allowing individuals to move and act in the illuminated area without penalty. This evocation also has a more tactical application, permitting the demon to stun or disorient opponents with intense, blinding flashes.

System: Roll Stamina + Science, The evocation illuminates one cubic yard per success rolled, centered on the character. The light persists for a number of turns equal to the demon's Faith score.

When used tactically, the intense flashes of light can be focused in a single direction. Any individuals, friend or foe, who look in that direction at the time of the flash suffer a number of levels of bashing damage equal to the successes rolled. Flashes of light appear for only a turn.
Torment: Monstrous demons fill their surroundings with inky, suffocating darkness, affecting an area as above. They can move unhindered though this darkness. Other individuals within the area of effect are effectively blind. This is a line of sight weapon as literally her first ability in the Lore of Light.
She rolls 9 dice(Stamina 5 + Science 4) with no preptime, or 14 dice(Stamina 10 + Science 4) with preptime to apply Manipulate Flesh to her own physical stats.

Again, she doesnt need range extension. She can knock you out from the horizon.
There's other offensive and defensive applications in her Lores.
A splendor for her needs to be for something she cant already learn to do.

Bashing damage can be regenerated in combat time by serious opponents, or this can be resisted by fighting blind. Attribute damage is far harder to counter.

uju32 said:
He doesnt do this.
He certainly doesnt appear to do it for free.

I am willing to pay at least something for his involvement. We don't have luxury of allowing cult members to escape.

BronzeTongue said:
Are we proceeding with the plan after this or should we vote for a whole line of action as well?

I think we should be proceeding? The update didn't reveal anything significantly game changing, it just shortened the timeline. Maybe add calling Michael?

Azais · Aug 19, 2024

Yog said:
I am willing to pay at least something for his involvement. We don't have luxury of allowing cult members to escape.

And do we have the luxury of continuing to increase our already high debts with him? We owe battles and high-level esplendor.

I'm tired of every time we go to him he want a pice of us.

We must kill the most important ones and then leave the loss of the least to Odin, he decides when or even if he will do anything and we don't owe it to him.

BoredMan · Aug 19, 2024

Azais said:
And do we have the luxury of continuing to increase our already high debts with him? We owe battles and high-level esplendor.

To be specific Molly and Lydia owe him a single battle and DP said that it's going to be inconvenient/a big ask when he cashes in.

Odin is Grey Council so I agree that we just give him a list of people so he knows who to look for if any escape. Then he can get to them on his own time and we don't incur more debt.

Alratan · Aug 19, 2024

Yog said:
1) Cult members either joining Red Court or just giving them a lot of strategic information

Would they really want to be eaten by aliens from the Nevernever and then have their killers walk around in their skin though?

A person can't join the Red Court, anymore than a spider can become a spider wasp, I think.

And while these people are traitors to their species they don't necessarily want to die. The Black Council seems to have motivations beyond nihilism.

Yog · Aug 19, 2024

Alratan said:
Would they really want to be eaten by aliens from the Nevernever and then have their killers walk around in their skin though?

A person can't join the Red Court, anymore than a spider can become a spider wasp, I think.

And while these people are traitors to their species they don't necessarily want to die. The Black Council seems to have motivations beyond nihilism.

Depends on how brainwashed they are, I guess? I mean, they are outsider cultists, their minds are corrupted by their patron and magic they do. As to the question of "is the Red Court vampire and the person they were as a human the same person?" - it's a very philosophical question. At least some things, including the interlude in this quest suggests a continuity of consciousness, if not the soul, that makes them the same person.

[X] Trainees: The bare bones, there are lots of evil wizards infiltrating the White Council
[X] Carlos: The bare bones of the conspiracy

I am tempted to reveal more - we do need more friends, but now is not the time. We really should tell Lydia about the Crown, however.

Alratan · Aug 19, 2024

Yog said:
Depends on how brainwashed they are, I guess? I mean, they are outsider cultists, their minds are corrupted by their patron and magic they do. As to the question of "is the Red Court vampire and the person they were as a human the same person?" - it's a very philosophical question. At least some things, including the interlude in this quest suggests a continuity of consciousness, if not the soul, that makes them the same person

I don't think the Black Council are cultists though. I think they've an agenda that they're willing to take extreme risks to achieve, but I think Cowl and co want to do something like introduce a magocracy with themselves in charge not have the world eaten by outsiders.

They're trying to use the outsiders, and the outsiders and trying to use them, both planning to stab the other party in the back right before the other's ultimate victory.

Kestrel21 · Aug 19, 2024