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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yeah, mentioning you wrote the book on (a kind of) hell is a bit much for an icebreaker.
What was the scale again?
5 - Legendary
10 - Heroic
15 - Exalted Showboating
20 - Cementing A Reputation
25 - Why Are You Even Here
Or something to that effect?
fictionfan
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[x] I'm a friend of the Council, odder than most maybe, definitely newer
-[x]"As for what I am anything that I say is likely to give you the wrong idea because I am a very unique existence in this world."
-[x]"As for what I am anything that I say is likely to give you the wrong idea because I am a very unique existence in this world."
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That's not quite accurate. The Accords are basically the closest thing to the UN and the Geneva Conventions that the supernatural world has. It doesn't actually work the same as either of those, but it has elements of both.
The difference between being a signatory and not is the difference between being a rogue state a legitimate one. From a practical perspective you can still do a lot of state things as long as you've got the juice, but you and your citizens don't have the same sort of rights and respect.
The Accords don't stop conflict; see the vampire war. What they do is set terms for negotiation and backing for mutual agreements. If you want to shatter another Signatory Power and drag their innocent citizens' souls to your personal spirit realm to be tortured for power until the end of time you're free to try. It's just that if you assault a legitimately appointed diplomat during a meeting then the rest of the members will kick your ass. Similarly, if you have a neutral party witness a peace agreement and then break it you also get the hammer.
The reason that the Knights aren't members is because they basically exist in a state of total war with the Denarians. They cannot enter any agreements with them by default and allowing them to force scenarios where the knights can't touch particular hosts violates their duty.
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Here's the requirements of the Accords as Molly understands them:
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fictionfan
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5 Successes I would expect them to be certain that these are the best cookies that they have ever had.What was the scale again?
5 - Legendary
10 - Heroic
15 - Exalted Showboating
20 - Cementing A Reputation
25 - Why Are You Even Here
Or something to that effect?
25 successes I don't even know some sort of dramatic revelation about the nature of the universe? But that can likely happen at 15 successes.
At the very least in the future if we ever want a favor for any of them they will likely do for some cookies.
The roll says cookies of the gods, but gods would likely fight for these cookies.
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fictionfan
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That was before we had a proper Exalted crafting charm. So I guess that these cookies count as Prodigies?
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We actually beat our direct roll from that by 7 successes, and are only 3 shy of the ritual's total value counting our willpower expense here:
We're off by one Pauline.
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"Just so you know, I made these cookies with roughly the same amount of focus and dedication as that time I made a minor god."
fictionfan
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And I have far more skill then I had back then. Since we have the charm now these cookies are Prodigies. It would not be unreasonable for them to have a 2 dice bonus to all rolls today as well as being able to shake off mental afflictions in the future just be remembering just how great these cookies were.
So in the future they look at a skinwalker using the sight and are overwhelmed with evil, but then they shake it off when they remember these cookies which prove that there is still good in the world.
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we can't do it with cookies, but it occurs to me that there are some funny and completely accidental parallels between Molly/FCF and Mage's speculation on the tenth sphere:Wizards get a point in the Cooking sphere. What do you mean that's not a sphere? It is now!
A star themed harbinger of a new era hmm? A new fundamental property getting added to the fabric of creation as only happened in the days of the primordial you say?
A principle touching on Unity and Information, connecting people in ways the sages of the old world could never have predicted and to a depth that this modern age has yet to truly grasp? Maybe a splash of "returning to divinity" by way of some sort of relationship with spirits too?
But that couldn't be little old Molly - they got the color wrong.
Seriously though, @DragonParadox and @Yog was this on purpose?
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Not on my part. I'll be honest - I wasn't able to force myself to read through Mage book completely yet.
It's oddly appropriate. A new primordial should have something fundamental to add to the substrate of creation, but one borne of an infernal going heretic would by necessity have inherited a lot of their mythos from it. A "new" meta-principle is the easiest way to square that circle in the hypothetical that Molly gets that far.
Some extension of how things relate to each other grown from the basis of what's already there.
Assuming any of this is right I don't imagine it'd happen anytime soon, probably not until part quest really, but it would be cool if one day wizards studying the fundamentals of FCF sorcery broke into the beginnings of a new sphere.
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A Certain Cheerful Tone Of Voice
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I imagine that this reaction to a cup of coffee is the sort of thing we're looking at...
fictionfan
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That's just 15 or 10 successes.
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I never said they did, I just assumed that you might need to formally declare war and be expected to have a casus belli. But since there is nothing about that in the quoted chapters summary, I concede that it might not be a concern.
But looking at the quoted chapters:
1) 2) We don't really have much of a need of protection for messengers and neutral territory. Because I would guess that when interacting with hostile factions, we go ourselves, not risk somebody else. In fact, we might want to mess with enemy information network in the future.
3) We have no use for outside oversight in how we deal with mundanes. If the Accords don't stop a war, then we also have no use in having them recognized as our retainers. It will only make them even bigger and more legitimate military targets.
4) We can solve our own disputes with those we want and don't want to be restrained by mediation or dueling rules with those who we don't want. Who could there even be that we might piss off but still want to make up with, where we would actually need the benefit of the Accords? Dragons, maybe? But the same situation as the Knights also applies to us. That we aren't in total war with Denarians is only a matter of time.
Also, I don't think "rogue state" is entirely accurate. Not being a signatory does not make us somehow seem less trustworthy to the White Council and Odin as the Red Court, who is a signatory, for example. The collection of signatories is so divided it makes the Cold War look like a love story and not some united front of "civilized world" vs rogue regimes.
Jade Court isn't a signatory, The Forrest People weren't for a long time. It's entirely possible to function as a supernatural nation state without being one.
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[x] tilts head to peer at the wizardlings for half a moment before slipping into a soft smile. "I am Molly Carpenter, Sovereign of the Five Fold Courts, Circlemate to Lydia, daughter of Arwan, Lash, Lady of Light and Flesh, and Olivia, Night Hunter of Chicago. Be welcome among my people."
-[x] claps hands together as her mouth stretches into a mischievous grin. "Now, who's ready for fresh cookies~?"
-[x] claps hands together as her mouth stretches into a mischievous grin. "Now, who's ready for fresh cookies~?"
1) We do need neutral territory. We've even made use of it in the quest with Mab and the Council. Arthur would probably not have been as willing to meet us without the infrastructure the Accords provide.
It's likely we'll need it in the future too. Either because we're required to meet with people who won't talk to us off of it or because we don't want to walk into a trap. Arrogance kills exalts all the time.
We also can't necessarily send every message ourselves, and people may not be comfortable sending us messengers if they don't know we'll respect them. We can muscle through without them for the most part, but not without making things harder on ourselves.
3) The outside oversight in this instance is in determining how culpable we are for their actions. The default is whatever our opposition at the time finds most convenient, this is legal protection for mortals who work for us. We can enforce this at the point of a sword, but more people are going to die while so we can make examples of their killers than if we made use of the system to warn people off.
4) You're not required to take binding arbitration with another party. You can just keep killing each other as long as you can keep it up. The benefit is that if you do take it you don't have to do all the enforcement yourself and that some people might have an easier time of it than you.
It is divided, but people signed it because it made negotiations among powers abroad in the world much easier and safer. Not every power is really interested in doing that.
It's worth noting that in DF canon we only know two things about the Jade Court other than that they haven't signed the Accords. That they have a mysterious ancestor like Drakul is for the black court, and that they almost never leave a specific valley in Asia.
The quest's Jades are pretty different, but the canon situation for them gives a decent explanation for why they might not sign on. They're extreme isolationists.
There's a definite difference in the weight given to powers who sign and those who don't among the subset you can have actual diplomatic relations with.
This whole thing is sort of like that guy who spent 6 months and $1500 making a chicken sandwich from the ground up. Literally growing/raising all the ingredients and doing all the processing.
It was tedious, expensive, and tasted like shit.
Turning up our noses at the Accords is turning up our noses at society. We'll spend more effort on basic stuff and then need to turn around and mooch to get things done half the time anyway.
[X] Yog
The full titles thing reads really weird to me. Despite actually having all those titles it still somehow manages to present them in an embarrassingly chuuni way. We don't have to try so hard to tell people how cool we are; they'll get the point when we start doing stuff.
Sympathy for the devil is better, but might put them a little on edge.
The full titles thing reads really weird to me. Despite actually having all those titles it still somehow manages to present them in an embarrassingly chuuni way. We don't have to try so hard to tell people how cool we are; they'll get the point when we start doing stuff.
Sympathy for the devil is better, but might put them a little on edge.