The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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Imperious
Without the sun of my life
If our husband is Laenor we'd still need a man as a side piece or else have a childless marriage. "Keeping it lesbian" with Laenor as a husband just means we'd need to have a polycule made up of the man who is married to us, the man who is the biological father of our children and our lady love.
Regency
PFP by vanathema (previously yubishines)
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- Morioh Town, Mt. Ebbot
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- They/Them
Lots of gay royals in history grudgingly conceded to having sex with their consorts to get an heir (the Andalusian queen who cross-dressed so the Caliph would have sex with her comes to mind). I'll admit that this plan rests on us being able to convince Laenor to consent to that in exchange for mutually looking the other way for our extramarital relationships. edit: Rhaenyra ideally with Alicent to eliminate the possibility of secretly bastard children that happened in Canon.
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Imperious
Without the sun of my life
I think there's a chance Laenor might actually be infertile as well as uninterested. Doesn't the show have Rhaenyra and Laenor talk about they'll first do their duty before satisfying themselves with paramours of their choosing only for them to still not have any children together?
This is true, but canon shows that Laenor isn't one of them, or at least not to an extent sufficient to produce children, hence the whole Strong bastards scandal.
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[X] Plan The Conciliator
Didn't Rhaenyra have Jace not very long after she married Laenor? And Laenor was mourning Joffrey for a long while, getting drunk and naming one of Rhaenyra's kids after him.
I feel like there are strong odds that he isn't actually infertile, it's just that after the first time she was with Harwin, and Jace was born they saw no need to even try with each other.
I feel like there are strong odds that he isn't actually infertile, it's just that after the first time she was with Harwin, and Jace was born they saw no need to even try with each other.
- Location
- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Fencesitting is very SV. It doesn't help.
[X] Plan Not Great, Not Terrible
[X] Plan Not Great, Not Terrible
Fence-sitting because the alternative is to dive headfirst into an unhappy marriage or plunge our father into an unhappy marriage to birth a future usurper.
Next chapter when we can actually talk to Viserys we can make some moves.
Decisively making terrible choices isn't smart, it's just quick.
Next chapter when we can actually talk to Viserys we can make some moves.
Decisively making terrible choices isn't smart, it's just quick.
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
I really do not see the problem, tbh.
The main point here is that, as I have said before, Laenor pretty much is the ideal match for us anyway, as far as official husbands go. Indeed, marrying Laenor guarantees that Driftmark's loyalties would be, at worst, divided. Forget the treaty if you do not trust it. Our guarantee would be the marriage to Laenor. If he wants to be Prince Consort (or King Consort, why not), then he will have to back us and he is the heir.
Laenor is a Velaryon (with their dragons), a dragonrider, the heir and oh, also conveniently gay. I do not think there is a better match in the whole Seven Kingdoms. And we have a very good shot of turning the Velaryons, over whom we have fretted so much, into our allies. Which we direly need. Everyone is going on about how a royal word won't solve the succession, how a treaty won't either, only arms and dragons will - well then that means we need to secure those!
As well, Viserys is disinclined to consumate the marriage with someone so young anyway. We can influence him towards keeping it that way. Them getting children is also not set in stone. And even if, Laenor would split Driftmark's loyalties even in the worst case.
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Two things:
1) The initial point was in fact Viserys' marriage. Ours is just a diplomatic trading good. Could we even achieve marrying Laenor and at the same time Viserys not marrying either Laena or Alicent? (and Alicent is the worse option for us)
2) If Viserys marries someone from another Great House and has a son with her, then that house will be on the son's side without doubt. Whereas, as I have said, a Laenor/Laena double match will ensure Driftmark's loyalties are, at worst, divided. It is actually hedging a risk!
Basically no advantage to marrying into the Velaryons twice. If we're going to marry Laenor it feels like crazy favoritism for our dad to also marry Laena as the gap between houses is already bridged.
...Also, even for Valyrians, a Father-Daughter duo going for the Brother-Sister combo is weird.
...Also, even for Valyrians, a Father-Daughter duo going for the Brother-Sister combo is weird.
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[X] Plan Commit To Your Choices
[X] Plan Take Your Time
[X] Plan Take Your Time
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
No it isn't, actually. Since the conquest, there has been exactly one Queen Consort not from the Targaryens or Velaryons, our own mother, and even then she was only suitable because her mother in turn was a Targaryen. And that grandmother in turn was also the only Targaryen ever married off to another house, too! Targaryen and Velaryons only marrying each other, under the exclusion of the Great Houses, is the accepted norm in the Seven Kingdoms. Nobody would bat an eye over it.
Sure, it will strengthen Corlys' position immensely, and people will talk about that, but in terms of established marriage policy it is business as usual. And it would help us immensely, for the reasons I said.
Also, we cannot trust on some fantasies of a Dornish match. Viserys will remarry, and if it isn't Laena then there is a very high risk it will be Alicent, which would be very much worse for us.
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Imperious
Without the sun of my life
My opinion on the idea of marrying Laenor is that while he's a great political match, he's awful as far as our finding love ambition goes. It seems weird to pick the option that involves idolising loving marriages and them marry a man that doesn't have even the slightest bit of interest in us. Added to that is that marrying Laenor has a long term issue that Laenor can't or won't give us legitimate heirs.
Unless us having bastards from a man other then Laenor will be taken as an insult to house Velaryon and casting us down a chance for a second child of Laena to inherit Driftmark. We already see this happen in play to some extent in canon with Vaemond.
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We could instead tell people to PUMP THE FUCKING BREAKS. Pushing for marriage, regardless of who it is, will ultimately weaken our own claim. Force the realm to grapple with a female heir for a while and make them realize this is not a decision Viserys will renege and actively act as an heir will strengthen our hand. Allow Viserys to mourn, and then marry him when everyone has had more time to consider the politics.
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Imperious
Without the sun of my life
I honestly think a match with Laena will be even worse for us then a match with Alicent. At least with the latter our step mother doesn't come mounted on Vhagar.
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
That is exactly an advantage of it. Repeat after me:
We will not find love in a political marriage
We will find love. But our marriage will be a completely separate affair to it. Thus, him being gay and not even interested in us, and possibly helping to cover for us, is a great bonus for our aim.
It is the notion t hat we are to find that love in a political marriage that I find abhorrent. That is not romantic at all. That is what doesn't fulfill our traits at all.
Especially if we are going for Alicent anyway. Which seems to be the general goal. We will find love with her, and marry Laenor.
Viserys will remarry. We cannot prevent that.
Our potential girlfriend marrying our father very much IS worse for us.
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It's been made clear by multiple people that Viserys is not going to get any longer of a mourning period.
And I'm riding that Dornish train straight to hell baby! Besides the other things I said about it, I think it would be awesome to get some supportive Dornish women in court for Rhaenyra to interact with.
Feel like if anyone would go for a Dornish marriage it would be Viserys Peace-And-Love Targaryen. And don't think it would be nearly so drastic as to 'cause a Dance early' like some fearmongers were saying. The denial of the prize of Viserys will put all the eyes of people like Otto or Corlys directly onto us, angling for a marriage, not just going unga-bunga rebellion.
And I'm riding that Dornish train straight to hell baby! Besides the other things I said about it, I think it would be awesome to get some supportive Dornish women in court for Rhaenyra to interact with.
Feel like if anyone would go for a Dornish marriage it would be Viserys Peace-And-Love Targaryen. And don't think it would be nearly so drastic as to 'cause a Dance early' like some fearmongers were saying. The denial of the prize of Viserys will put all the eyes of people like Otto or Corlys directly onto us, angling for a marriage, not just going unga-bunga rebellion.
bookwyrm
Doom of Public Libraries
- Location
- Wichita, Kansas
[X] Plan Continuing To Ruin Alicent's Life
-[X] The Seven Pointed Star (Improves Relationship with Alicent)
-[X] Purpose an alliance with Otto, offering to marry his son Gwayne (Will increase Stress if Otto accepts)
-[X] [Defiant] None, instead decry both of them for using their daughter in such an abhorrent manner. They are her parents, they should not be selling her like a piece of meat.
-[X] The Seven Pointed Star (Improves Relationship with Alicent)
-[X] Purpose an alliance with Otto, offering to marry his son Gwayne (Will increase Stress if Otto accepts)
-[X] [Defiant] None, instead decry both of them for using their daughter in such an abhorrent manner. They are her parents, they should not be selling her like a piece of meat.
Imperious
Without the sun of my life
This just comes across as repeating the mistakes that lead to Rhaenyra ending up with the Strong boys scandal in canon.
I'll be honest, the prospect of potentially facing Vhagar in battle causes me more concern then one of maybe finding a girlfriend other then Alicent. Black Aly is pretty cool.
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