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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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I just don't feel like giving the largest group of dragonriders on the planet *more* dragonriders, legal contract to wave for all the lords paramount or no.
 
agreeing to the marriage between the Velaryons and Vyseris is even worse than the canon one, the war is gonna be won in the end by the number of dragons each side has, and unless Rhaenyra is able to sire many many kids or we try dragon seeds, the Velaryons are gonna be ahead of us in terms of Dragon numbers and they have Vhagar.

And the oath on paper things isn't even worth the Paper it was written on.
 
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Imperious said:
We already have their oaths though. Nobody in canon rebelled against Rhaenyra because they claimed those oaths never happened due to lack of written evidence. They just invented some excuse or another on why those oaths no longer applied. How does getting those same oaths in writing change that?
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They would not have the exact same content. That's the whole point.

The oaths sworn recognise us as currently designated heiress.

The contract would regulate succession in regards to us and any children born in the future.

This is NOT the same.
 
Imperious said:
We already have their oaths though. Nobody in canon rebelled against Rhaenyra because they claimed those oaths never happened due to lack of written evidence. They just invented some excuse or another on why those oaths no longer applied. How does getting those same oaths in writing change that?
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And they argued that the oath became undone the moment a son was born because of how things were done. They aren't exactly wrong either because no new oath was made after the son was born. The paper makes it more loud and clear that the first oath is still in effect. Instead of Viserys just assuming it's still in effect.
 
Teen Spirit said:
Her, you could get a decent understanding of as various lords in the Riverlands had remarked on her behavior, such as showing up at a wedding in riding attire, later getting into a fight at said wedding that lead to her emerging unscathed, but three squires ended up with broken noses. She sounded fun
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Focus Rhaenyra, focus. You're not setting up a match for yourself here...
 
If that's your concern then just talk with Viserys about having another round of oath swearing after our brother is born? The historical inspiration for Viserys, Henry I, had the lords swear oaths to accept Matilda as his heiress multiple times, not just once. I don't think it'll do much, much as it didn't do much for Henry I and Matilda, because a core part of the dance, and for that matter the anarchy, is that oaths of fealty will only take you so far when the lords speaking them don't actually want to follow through with them, but the issue of another oath after our brother is born is easily solved. Why are you trading a royal marriage with the Velaryons that replaces our step mother from canon into a step mother that also rides Vhagar to boot for this?
 
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Yeah not feeling the plan that marries Laena to Viserys.
A hypothetical set of "Blues" will have far more advantages than the Greens did: Vhagar, Seasmoke and Meleys as well as extra legitimacy through descendance from Rhaenys.
All we'll have in exchange is a larger fig leaf.
Plus it's awful for poor Laena.
 
Imperious said:
If that's your concern then just talk with Viserys about having another round of oath swearing after our brother is born? The historical inspiration for Viserys, Henry I, had the lords swear oaths to accept Matilda as his heiress multiple times, not just once. I don't think it'll do much, much as it didn't do much for Henry I and Matilda, because a core part of the dance, and for that matter the anarchy, is that oaths of fealty will only take you so far when the lords speaking them don't actually want to follow through with them, but the issue of another oath after our brother is born is easily solved. Why are you trading a royal marriage with the Velaryons that replaces our step mother from canon into a step mother that also rides Vhagar to boot for this?
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What are you on about? The whole point of the exercise is to have good relations to the Velaryons so that we don't fight them at all.


Do you all think everyone will end up in the canon tracks!? We have zero assurances that there even will be a Dance, let alone where the dividing line will be.
 
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Azel said:
What are you on about? The whole point of the exercise is to have good relations to the Velaryons so that we don't fight them at all.
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What?? that's impossible, the moment Laena marries Vyseris, a war against The Velaryons is near guaranteed, especially if she gets a son, The Dance of dragon is gonna be instead us and the hightowers and other powers that hate the Velaryons vs the Velaryons and their allies.
 
Azel said:
What are you on about? The whole point of the exercise is to have good relations to the Velaryons so that we don't fight them at all.
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Thing is, it's extremely ineffective in achieving this goal because it essentially guarantees we will be fighting the Velaryons once a son is born to Laena from Viserys.
 
Otto nearly died on Dragonstone. Corlys nearly died from a fever in canon. You all are basing your choices on stuff that would happen 20 years in the future in canon instead of the situation we have right now in the actual quest that is not beholden to replicate canon.

There's no destined war with the Hightowers or Velaryons if we play the cards we got right instead of shadowboxing against a completely different version of these people.
 
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Hrm. I'm not too sure about this plan and would be open to another but I see it as far, far superior to agreeing with the marriage.

[X] Plan The Conciliator
 
Honestly though I think the Dornish match is overhyped. No matter what Dornish succession laws say in Dorne a half brother born to a Dornish mother could still try to usurp us as any other, because they don't need the Dornish lords to support their claim, support which they may well be able to get anyway thanks to their familial ties with the Martells, they need to get the support of the Westerosi lords, who would still believe in the precedence of sons before daughters no matter what the law in Dorne is. That Stormlanders and Reachers will hate our would be brother for being Dornish would do more to protect our succession then what the law in Dorne is.
 
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Current winning plan seems a bit misnamed, in my opinion.

Like, look at what it does.
It takes someone who is warry of us, rejects their offer and then goes to sabotage them behind the scenes.

They're not incompetent, if their prodpective marriage suddenly doesn't go ahead, they'll put 1 and 1 together, and it will make an enemy of them.

It's not conciliation, it's a pre emptive strike.
 
10ebbor10 said:
Current winning plan seems a bit misnamed, in my opinion.

Like, look at what it does.
It takes someone who is warry of us, rejects their offer and then goes to sabotage them behind the scenes.

They're not incompetent, if their prodpective marriage suddenly doesn't go ahead, they'll put 1 and 1 together, and it will make an enemy of them.

It's not conciliation, it's a pre emptive strike.
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There are lot of reasons why Viserys might not marry Laena other then us though. Canonically he doesn't do it even without us intervening at all

And truth be told it still handily beats out trading a royal marriage which would have our step mother be the rider of Vhagar in exchange for a pinky promise.
 
I really don't like the whole fence-sitting attempt here. If we want to antagonize Corlys by going against him, commit to it and do it in a way that actually manages the risks. As I said earlier, Rhanys is visibly and strongly against this match, so if we make Corlys our enemy anyway, then focus on her. And she will react better to us if we claim the moral high ground and decry this as the distasteful power play it is.

[X] Plan Commit To Your Choices
-[X] Matters of Law and Coin
-[X] Otto: Try to convince him to help convince your father to choose another bride.
-[X] Corlys: [Defiant] None, instead decry both of them for using their daughter in such an abhorrent manner. They are her parents, they should not be selling her like a piece of meat.
 
Gonna put forward my own plan. I think we should secure most dragonriders of the realm with Rhaenyra-Laenor marriage.

Ideally result in Viserys marrying Johanna Westerling rather than Alicent, fingers crossed

[X] Plan: The Dragonriders' Compromise
-[X] Diplomacy and Etiquette
-[X] Write-In: Try to convince him to help convince your father to choose Johanna Westerling, Sabitha Vypren, or Deria Martell.
-[X] Try and convince them to drop offer with Laena and have Laenor marry you instead (Will increase Stress if they accept)

@Teen Spirit Is this write-in, deliberately limiting options we discuss with Otto, acceptable?
 
Marrying Laenor isn't without its issues, given that aside from the stress it'll give us for going against our ambition, the guy himself is unable to give us heirs.

I also don't think asking Otto to help us wed someone other then his daughter to Viserys would be effective, since we know he already has a bride in mind for the king.
 
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