And you believe that this is less of a hassle than just getting an ability that would allow us to do it ourselves with more efficiency and even when we aren't prepared because we didn't expect to have to be?
I'm thinking that this comes down to a matter of preference then.
I think that four layers of redundancy is enough, and that presenting every new threat as a paradigm changing monster is inaccurate. Using the powers we have properly should solve this problem, and we can use the XP for something else. The opportunity cost of buying our fifth redundant solution is not having things that actually broadly improve our abilities or that open new options entirely.
Did Peabody get possessed by an Outsider in canon?
I don't believe so. In that case why are you judging him by canon standards when it's been established that in some respects this matter is being handled differently by DragonParadox? It doesn't make sense
He isn't possessed now, he's a servant. He's the WoD version of what he was in canon.
The mechanics used to simulate the DF here shouldn't fundamentally change the way the players operate on their own or we'd never have reached a canon look alike starting point.
Absent our actions the model should reasonably result in the same things that happened in canon.
Oh. I think you've gotten my position confused. If we fight Peabody and prepare I think we'll have a good shot at handling this at least somewhat cleanly or as cleanly as you could expect given the scenario.
What I'm arguing against is that its likely to be handled in such a way without our direct support.
The argument at hand here is Uju's assertion that the outside can install whatever crazy amounts of extra power they want at no true cost and hide it from anyone who cares to look. Allowing Peabody to be a spy and saboteur capable of subverting the council from the inside while also being able to fire off magical superweapons comparable to ancient gods in that only an exalt can meaningfully contest them. Super weapons that need to stop us but can't actually be targeted at us or they'll fail.
That is what I find absurd. If they could do that this whole time they wouldn't be acting as they are.
1)He isnt. But wizards thrive on preptime to punch above their weight, and he has had that.
Furthermore, his boss/sponsor Ashraaaf certainly rolls at least as high as the Will, if not higher, and can juice him up.
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2) No he was not, and never was,
In fact, my horror at the fact that we had to rely on Harry critting in Vegas is part of the reason I've been a firm advocate of getting Molly some counterspelling.
We were this close to conversations about nuclear release and megadeaths.
I NEVER want things to be that close again.
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3) I dont currently have the time to dig into the books.
Sorry.
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6)No I am not.
Sandra Marling was sufficiently resourced to almost murder Vegas.
The scrub Black Court vampire we shanked in Vegas had a major Player quarterbacking his play, who almost yanked him from the teeth of our Meat Is Murder charm.
Simon Peabody, the longterm infiltration agent at the heart of the White Council is a significantly more valuable player than either of them, and has pulled off significantly more damage on behalf of his bosses.
The background events of Dead Beat, that almost broke the Council, can largely be laid at his door.
I expect the resources brought to bear on his behalf in this AU are going to be commensurate to his plot impact so far.
1) We've seen what he puts his prep towards. He has limits on his resources and expertise on top of needing to be stealthy. The assertion that he just wiped up a batch of anti-exalt widgets on an off weekend that can only be managed in this exact way or that he could if he wanted to is ridiculous.
2) Yes he was, you specifically brought him doing this up. My point was that the dragon was not an example of something only we could do.
3) Fair, but absent a cite I'm pretty confident that the rules as intended doesn't allow rotes for the same reason counterspelling is it's own thing instead of a regular rote. To stop this exact behavior.
6) Peabody doesn't have the freedom to act that your examples do, and while he has significant resources he also has significant commitments already.
And again, there are different types of player. A spy plane can't just suddenly become a fighter jet, especially without making trade offs in functionality.
Ok, would this be more unambiguous?
It reads more clunky to me, but I think it's clearer.
Yeah. The main question I have is if the intent is that we can't apply difficult reducing charms through it. Is that difficult a base we work off of or is this a pure dice loaning thing?
Unbound Eschaton Shintai is a really big XP expenditure for an effect we probably won't have any reason to use for a while. We could get a lot of other stuff in place of that 20 XP, like Sandstrike Blast.
I don't really see much value in sandstrike blast for reasons I've stated previously.
Also, the effect would be pretty immediate in that the new signature charm is available in regular Shintai by default. The second stage may not see immediate use, but another signature would make a big difference in any major fight we get into.
