Do you know how many atoms are in one gram of gold? Honest question. The technology also doesn't scale directly with power put in. We have been over this. Do I need to break it down again? TTC can give us 10X rate of the best equipment Earth has. That is nowhere near what is required for this to be feasible.The paper is available online:
Energy dependence of <SUP>209</SUP>Bi fragmentation in relativistic nuclear collisions
The results of cross-section measurements for the reactions <SUP>209</SUP>Bi(<SUP>12</SUP>C,X)Au, E=4.8 and 25.2 GeV and <SUP>209</SUP>Bi(<SUP>20</SUP>Ne,X)Au, E=8.0 GeV are reported. The observed yields of the gold isotopes show a similar dependence on mass number for each reaction, differing...ui.adsabs.harvard.edu
Its expensive because of the power requirements for running a particle accelerator, which is not a concern for Molly because Tool Constructs handles that.Energy dependence of $^{209}\mathrm{Bi}$ fragmentation in relativistic nuclear collisions
The results of cross-section measurements for the reactions $^{209}\mathrm{Bi}(^{12}\mathrm{C},X)\mathrm{Au}$, $E=4.8 \mathrm{and} 25.2$ GeV and $^{209}\mathrm{Bi}(^{20}\mathrm{Ne},X)\mathrm{Au}$, $E=8.0$ GeV are reported. The observed yields of the gold isotopes show a similar dependence on...journals.aps.org
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Yes, but until right now she has not been associated with the island. 'Something infernal' has been making holes in the world around the city but unless the spirit can see through BMI it has no way to tell that it and one of the three girls on the ship next to the shore of the island is that something.
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Lets make this simpler.
Lake Point Tower, where we just rented an apartment for Rosie and have a key, has 1600 residents, and is 200 yards from the shoreline according to Google Maps.
Navy Pier, which is where we first met Brother Dev, is literally on the shoreline in the same area.
Lake Point Tower Condominium · 505 N Lake Shore Dr, Chicago, IL 60611
âââââ · Condominium complex
www.google.com
No need to head for the harbor we left from.
Windborn Stride means that Molly going flatout moves 32 yards/second(20 + <Dex4*3>), even without burning Essence.
That means that from the shoreline to her/Rosie's apartment building is <7 seconds.
At which point she darts into the visitor bathroom at the entrance lobby, turns on her earphones and steps across to Sanctuary.
And returns to the same place.
That means that Molly can return from the boat to the heart of Chicago in 10 seconds or less.
And can leave from there at the same rate
Total roundtrip, not counting Sanctuary time, is 20 seconds. ~7 combat turns.
Add 3 seconds/1 turn either way to cross over, and it comes to 26 seconds/9 turns
Activate Anonymity Through Propriety if its still daytime enough that people would notice Molly doing superhuman speeds.
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Is there anything in this sequence of events that Im missing?
Or which appears to be infeasible to your eyes?
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Lets make this simpler.
Lake Point Tower, where we just rented an apartment for Rosie and have a key, has 1600 residents, and is 200 yards from the shoreline according to Google Maps.
Navy Pier, which is where we first met Brother Dev, is literally on the shoreline in the same area.
Lake Point Tower Condominium · 505 N Lake Shore Dr, Chicago, IL 60611
âââââ · Condominium complex
No need to head for the harbor we left from.
Windborn Stride means that Molly going flatout moves 32 yards/second(20 + <Dex4*3>), even without burning Essence.
That means that from the shoreline to her/Rosie's apartment building is <7 seconds.
At which point she darts into the visitor bathroom at the entrance lobby, turns on her earphones and steps across to Sanctuary.
And returns to the same place.
That means that Molly can return from the boat to the heart of Chicago in 10 seconds or less.
And can leave from there at the same rate
Total roundtrip, not counting Sanctuary time, is 20 seconds. ~7 combat turns.
Add 3 seconds/1 turn either way to cross over, and it comes to 26 seconds/9 turns
Activate Anonymity Through Propriety if its still daytime enough that people would notice Molly doing superhuman speeds.
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Is there anything in this sequence of events that Im missing?
Or which appears to be infeasible to your eyes?
And for the entire time you would be under observation by 'Alfred'. He still knows you are here even when cannot see through BMI so if he is paying attention he will know that the girl on the boat is the same one who made the hole in the world. If you are right and he just does not mind infernals in general you're fine, but if he does than he will know that the infernal is associated with Harry (as long as he makes the roll at least). He would have had no reason to track both you and Harry before, heck he might have been in standby keeping all his attention on the island, you do not know what his limits are between wardens.
Im not getting this.
Molly has BMI.
Are you saying that he'd be able to pick Molly out of the background human population of Chicago even after she's reached the city, gone an eight of a mile inland and entered a building with more than a thousand people?
Because if he cant do that, he cant know the girl on the boat is the same one who made the hole in the world.
And if he can do that, there's no point to subterfuge.
It assumes he has a working eyes for lack of a better way to say it we are right in front of him right now if we get off the boat he can functionally see us get off the boat he can functionally see us get to the shore see us go into the City and see us in our apartment and then see us make a hole in the world. You're the one who brought up the fact he just knew a Titan was in the city just like you can track a baseball despite it not broadcasting it's presence when it's moving he can see us right now and unless he takes his eyes off Us in between us getting off the boat and us making a hole in the world he will not have lost sight of us he will just watch us go back to our apartment.
Yes it seems like something the spirit might well be able to do if it really wanted to. The thing about BMI is it does nothing to enhance your stealth, its effect is perfect, but narrow it makes you look like a human. A human that can dissolve into lake water might be odd enough to keep an eye on
That says "supernatural".
It doesnt say Exalt or Infernal or Hell Queen. It might just say Fae, and we know that the Fae have been able to come here without harm or issue before.
Im trying to establish the limits of its capabilities here.
Fae/supernatural masquerading as human. Nothing it hasnt seen before.
Okay. So what if we sent Sophia instead?
She has Home In All Lands; she could RVD to the Chicago shoreline, teleport to Last Station or even Boston, then crossover from there. Or just HIAL from the boat to the Arcane Forge in Boston directly and from Boston to Sanctuary. Wont add more than 10 seconds either way; might even save time.
The one drawback is that she's the only healer on site, so she cant afford to be away for long.
QUESTION
CAN Demonreach look into Last Station? Or all the way to Boston?
Is that a reasonable expectation?
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Probably not the Last Station, it belongs to someone else and definitely not Boston, it's too far
Given how charm function has shifted in this quest I think it's worth trying to get a better idea of EDS. Seems like it could potentially exceed the sight if taken from the fluff instead of the Abysmal system text.
Edit: autocorrupt.
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Ok, this annoys me enough to give a lecture on nuclear physics.The paper is available online:
Energy dependence of <SUP>209</SUP>Bi fragmentation in relativistic nuclear collisions
The results of cross-section measurements for the reactions <SUP>209</SUP>Bi(<SUP>12</SUP>C,X)Au, E=4.8 and 25.2 GeV and <SUP>209</SUP>Bi(<SUP>20</SUP>Ne,X)Au, E=8.0 GeV are reported. The observed yields of the gold isotopes show a similar dependence on mass number for each reaction, differing...Its expensive because of the power requirements for running a particle accelerator, which is not a concern for Molly because Tool Constructs handles that.Energy dependence of $^{209}\mathrm{Bi}$ fragmentation in relativistic nuclear collisions
The results of cross-section measurements for the reactions $^{209}\mathrm{Bi}(^{12}\mathrm{C},X)\mathrm{Au}$, $E=4.8 \mathrm{and} 25.2$ GeV and $^{209}\mathrm{Bi}(^{20}\mathrm{Ne},X)\mathrm{Au}$, $E=8.0$ GeV are reported. The observed yields of the gold isotopes show a similar dependence on...
in the paper cited, three cross-sections are provided, for nuclear reactions. Specifically for 209Bi(12C,𝑋)Au at 4.8 and 25.2 GeV, and 209Bi(20Ne,𝑋)Au, at 8.0 GeV. It is important to note that what the papers report are nuclear reaction cross-sections for productions of unstable aurum isotopes, as it's not actually possible to measure the yield of 197Au in the setup.
The reported cross-sections for 196Au and 198Au are S ~ 1 mb for all three reactions. Mb here stands for millibarn, or 1E-31 m^2. Bombardment statistics (total amount of particles the target) was ~ 4E13 particles, which took ~ 13 hours to generate. This translates to the bombarding particle flux F~9E8 particles per second. This number is important, and I'll explain why in a moment.
Now, let's explain what a nuclear reaction cross-section is. It's a measure of probability of a nuclear reaction occurring. In order to calculate the rate of a nuclear reaction, one uses the following equation:
rx=Ф*S*Rho, where rx [particles per unit of time per unit of volume] is the nuclear reaction output, how many reactions happen in a unit of volume in a unit of time. Ф is the bombarding particle flux measured in [particles per surface area per unit of time] - how many particles bombard the surface of the target in a unit of time. Rho is the particle density of the target [particles per unit of volume], which is, in case of Bismuth, 2.828E28 particles/m^3.
So, we have two constants, S and Rh, giving us the nuclear reaction yield of
rx~3E-3*Ф. Let's discuss Ф. Using Large Hadron Collider as the largest heavy particle accelerator out there, full power beam current is ~0.6 A. That's 3.22E14/Z particles per second, where Z is atomic number of the particle, which I'll take as ~ 10 (6 for C, 10 for Ne). This means that the maximum expected particle yield of gold one can dream of with particle accelerators is rx~3E-3*3E13=1E14 [particles/m*s]. What's the meter in the denominator? That's the thickness of the layer at which reaction can be expected to occur. We can estimate it (using overestimation) as the maximum projected range. To calculate it, I used SRIM software. At 5 GeV the projected range is 60 mm. At 25 GeV it's ~500 mm. For 20Ne at 8 GeV, the projected penetration range is 33 mm. So, I'll roughly estimate the volume to be 100 mm or 0.1 m. This gives us the maximum achievable reaction rate of 1E13 [particles/s]. With TTC that's 1E14 particles/s.
Now, how large is that number? Well, atomic density of Au is 5.904E28 particles / m^3, or 5.904E22 particles/cm^3. This means, that in order to transmute one cubic centimeter of Au using particle accelerator method, with some very, very generous assumptions, one would need ~6E22/1E14=6E8 seconds, or ~20 years.
And no, you don't just scale this with power, building new and more powerful particle accelerators in cutting edge engineering and science, with stuff like particle beam attenuation requiring a lot of research.
So, again, completely impractical.
BoredMan
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@DragonParadox Errors.
No errors in From The Heart.
Missing "she's" after judge.
Need something after aggregate. Missing "to" after prelude.
This was supposed to say something else. Missing "knew" after humans.
Need to be a period.
Question mark(s) instead?
No errors in From The Heart.
My dude, you are literally talking about impractical and breaking out math in a magitech world where we have Rank 4 Fortune Path sorcerers to modify the probability of what exactly occurs and how frequently.
Do you think I chose Sanctuary as the spot to do this for kicks?
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And you dont do it by scaling power for something like this.
You do it in parallel, like we did with cooking the diamonds.
Okay.
So Last Station it is; Boston is more certain, but Last Station is more secure IMO.
Let me draw up a plan
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VOTE
[X]Plan Express Mail Chicago
-[X][Sophia] Use Home In All Lands to return to Last Station, and from Last Station to Sanctuary.
-[X][Sophia]Grab field sorcerer's kit from Sanctuary.
-[X][Sophia]Use Home In All Lands to return to Last Station, and from Last Station to boat
-[X][Molly]Activate MHM to move ritual items to the island: 1m
-[X][Molly]Activate All Things Betray: 1WP
VOTE
[]Plan Express Mail Boston
-[][Sophia] Use Home In All Lands to return to the Arcane Forge in Boston, and from Boston to Sanctuary.
-[][Sophia]Grab field sorcerer's kit from Sanctuary.
-[][Sophia]Use Home In All Lands to return to Boston, and from Boston to boat
-[][Molly]Activate MHM to move ritual items to the island: 1m
-[][Molly]Activate All Things Betray: 1WP
RATIONALE
Two options: Last Station and Boston
But in case other people want to be absolutely sure to avoid Demonreach's eye, then I include Boston as an option.
Having Molly activate ATB to boost her Perception rolls of what she's seeing.
Also, it improves her Initiative, just in case she has to act to yank Dresden out of there ASAP.
[X]Plan Express Mail Chicago
-[X][Sophia] Use Home In All Lands to return to Last Station, and from Last Station to Sanctuary.
-[X][Sophia]Grab field sorcerer's kit from Sanctuary.
-[X][Sophia]Use Home In All Lands to return to Last Station, and from Last Station to boat
-[X][Molly]Activate MHM to move ritual items to the island: 1m
-[X][Molly]Activate All Things Betray: 1WP
VOTE
[]Plan Express Mail Boston
-[][Sophia] Use Home In All Lands to return to the Arcane Forge in Boston, and from Boston to Sanctuary.
-[][Sophia]Grab field sorcerer's kit from Sanctuary.
-[][Sophia]Use Home In All Lands to return to Boston, and from Boston to boat
-[][Molly]Activate MHM to move ritual items to the island: 1m
-[][Molly]Activate All Things Betray: 1WP
RATIONALE
Two options: Last Station and Boston
I think Last Station is more secure than the Arcane Forge, so Im voting for it as Sophia's layover.
But in case other people want to be absolutely sure to avoid Demonreach's eye, then I include Boston as an option.
Having Molly activate ATB to boost her Perception rolls of what she's seeing.
Also, it improves her Initiative, just in case she has to act to yank Dresden out of there ASAP.
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Fixed, thanks again.
You are the one who started arguing based on what has been achieved in real life. I just demonstrated that this route is completely impractical. This is basically the most inefficient way to do it. Simply mining for gold, either in sanctuary or under the sea or, hell, in space would be far easier. Or using alchemy, I guess, but, really, simply mining gold is far, far simpler.
Let me explain it like this. Even if the issue was only how much power to put in (it's not, at all), if we wanted a yield of 1 cubic centimeter of gold per minute, you would need to increase the power by a factor of 1E7. That's ten million times. To put this in comparison, you would need to go from Tsar Bomb to Sudburry Event.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Last few.
Missing "to" after prelude.
Missing "be" after White Council. Could use a "the" before White Council as well though fine without. Should be "put's".
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox Correction "be" goes after Won't.
And also fixed, thanks again.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow as we explore if Harry Dresden can cast a rite he only heard about with no or alien tools while his heart keeps getting punched with magic... so in other words Tuesday.
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Yes. Because it demonstrated its technical feasibility; it just isnt economically viable because energy is expensive.
Unless, like Molly, you can literally whip up energy out of the blue.
For free.
Sorcerer Revised appears to suggest that alchemical transmutation, or at least the Philosopher's Stone, is a Rank 5/Rank 6 effect in Alchemy. Else I would suggest that instead.
Or we'd get a couple teams of Fortune Path sorcerers to fucking with probabilities of successful events in the area, hence reducing significantly the amount of energy required at all.
And we KNOW we have Fortune Path sorcerers. I suspect they are essential to yields in some industrial processes.
Like I said, I proposed to do this in Sanctuary, instead of Last Station, for a reason.
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Bright side:And also fixed, thanks again.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow as we explore if Harry Dresden can cast a rite he only heard about with no or alien tools while his heart keeps getting punched with magic... so in other words Tuesday.
Sophia has Howl of Healing, IIRC. So she can literally heal him from the boat.
Unless Demonreach interferes, of course
And that does not change the fact, that it takes actually weeks to make a single gram of gold.
Sanctuary has actually mountains of minerals it produces naturally. We have an unlimited budget of raw gold, silver platinum etc for 1 AP molly can fund the growth of 5 billion population for basically all their raw material good for the next decade.
Again, simply mining for gold would be far, far more efficient. And, again power is not an issue here. At all. It's far more complicated than that.
1) When you alter the rate of reaction, like with a Fortune Path ritual, the speed of production goes up.
The more so if you have multiple parallel processes ongoing, like we did when we were making diamonds.
2) Like I said earlier? Having pieces of Sanctuary out in on the open market for anyone to try to get their hands on as a scrying/tracking or ritual magic focus to find the place is something to be avoided if at all possible.
We do have powerful, resourceful enemies.
Its not about efficiency. Its about risk management, and legality, and managing our public exposure.
Money has never been the issue; if we didnt care about history, we could literally loot billions of dollars of gold and silver off the seabed from all the shipwrecks there (and all the platinum that the Spanish literally dumped into the sea)
Getting it into the financial system where we can wield it legally is the issue.
Thats also why you steer clear of Red Court assets; cash is fungible, but their accounts and financial assets are not.
Anyway, like I've said?
The lottery gives us $203 million dollars before taxes for the cost of a Crown question and 1AP if used between 26 Feb and 2 March. No brainer.
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How is sanctuary-transmuted gold (for the sake of argument let's say this is possible) better than sanctuary mined gold?