Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

1) Demonreach is mainly for monsters far above their rank so that doesn't indicate much to me. It's less likely to trigger at Harry which is partly why I'm voting for him.

2) Do you know what Mab wanted it for? She may have kept it locked away for possible future use. As a bargaining chip or otherwise. Demonreach was described as a prison for monsters not of this age in Quest.

I don't think it's particularly likely that it'd have an issue with Molly out the gate. I just think its less likely to be initially hostile to someone who doesn't even remotely qualify for imprisonment.
1) Ebenezar, wielder of the Blackstaff has been here with that weapon, and it didnt trigger this either
And thats something old enough to date back to Ethniu's time; she recognized it.

2) Mab buried it.
She didnt study it, or try to interrogate the coadjutor; she put it under the ground in the safest part of Winter she had.
So we know very well what she wanted it for: to keep it out of her enemy's hands.

She doesnt imprison Outsiders in Winter.

3) Everyone who has met Molly still counts Molly as mortal. Mab, the Merlin and Archangel Uriel ALL agree on this.
So that description doesnt apply to her.

Furthermore, as I've demonstrated, Demonreach NEEDs a serving Warden to even attempt to imprison someone.
There's a whole ritual involved.
 
Ebenezar, wielder of the Blackstaff has been here with that weapon, and it didnt trigger this either
And thats something old enough to date back to Ethniu's time; she recognized it.
The Blackstaff(item)doesn't have agency?
Mab buried it.
She didnt study it, or try to interrogate the coadjutor; she put it under the ground in the safest part of Winter she had.
So we know very well what she wanted it for: to keep it out of her enemy's hands.

She doesnt imprison Outsiders in Winter.
In the meantime sure. What do Outsiders have to do with this? I think there's some miscommunication on this bit.
Everyone who has met Molly still counts Molly as mortal. Mab, the Merlin and Archangel Uriel ALL agree on this.
So that description doesnt apply to her.

Furthermore, as I've demonstrated, Demonreach NEEDs a serving Warden to even attempt to imprison someone.
There's a whole ritual involved.
It applies to the Exalted planet soul thing that Molly has going on. The fact that she's also mortal seems like arguing over semantics. Just to be clear I subscribe to the thread theory that the DF setting in Quest came about after Exalted.

It was able to put the Cup under some layer of protection/confinement even without the priest involvement, exactly what it can do without a Warden in Quest is up in the air. As I said I think it's less likely to be initially hostile to someone who doesn't even remotely qualify for imprisonment so I'll vote for someone who doesn't meet any of the criteria as I see it.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by BoredMan on Aug 2, 2024 at 10:07 PM, finished with 32 posts and 13 votes.
 
Huh?
Harry just fumbled the conversation with the spirits of the mirror, resulting in them attacking him.
Furthermore, he only has 4 dice of Charisma + Empathy; citation:


Thats bad for a potentially highstakes conversation.

Michael is a better choice, but I would prefer not to dock without permission, and Michael cant get to the island without docking.
Because unlike Molly, he cant fly.
Or walk on water. Or teleport through water.

Also, the more activities Molly(Or Lydia/Tiffany) is involved in, the more XP at the end of the arc.
Not my point. My point is that Molly is an Infernal Exalt, and a baby Primordial with a world body already manifested. There's a non-zero chance that, unless notified and placated beforehand, Demonreach would react to her presence with "Join Combat", because she absolutely has no place in the current age, and her very presence is accelerating the coming of the next Age.
 
Not my point. My point is that Molly is an Infernal Exalt, and a baby Primordial with a world body already manifested. There's a non-zero chance that, unless notified and placated beforehand, Demonreach would react to her presence with "Join Combat", because she absolutely has no place in the current age, and her very presence is accelerating the coming of the next Age.

To be fair you would be under BMI and that is safe against any detection method less through than the Sight. Talking would involve charms though so infernal essence and the Charms thus shaped would be involved.
 
OK then looks like Harry it is.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 3, 2024 at 8:01 AM, finished with 41 posts and 18 votes.
 
Arc 13 Interlude 9: From the Heart
From the Heart

14th of February 2007 A.D.

Setting foot on the shore reminded me of nothing so much as being carsick, the feeling of the gut rebelling against the fake evidence of my eyes, only instead of my gut it was my soul, the part of me that reached for the magic if I wanted to or not, the part most fundamentally Harry Dresden. Rotting posts rose out of the water to mark the area that had once been a dock, a little beyond that and you could just make out the outlines of long abandoned buildings, bunk houses around a factory maybe, though the path between them had long since been strangled by a gnarled and thorny undergrowth that even winter's chill couldn't beat back, the kind of strange old ruin of which local legends were made of, the local kids daring one another to spend the night and make up outlandish stories, only there were no children here, it wasn't even on a map. Circled by the waters of the lake it might as well be in another world to seaside Walmart of Burnham Harbor and it was watching. Without meaning to my eyes were drawn up the the steep shore and up again, above the tops of the trees where a hill stood and on that hill a tower of stone, grey and weathered.


Power welled up from the earth there whipping by with the force of a jet-stream. Out came my staff and I leaned on it, and not, as the peanut gallery might think to look more like Gandalf. The trick of drawing power from ley lines was one I'd been practicing over the last month ever since Lash had told me that it was my best bet to match a Nicklehead blow for blow now that I wasn't throwing around hellfire. But I wasn't a fool, the opinion of some on the Council aside. I wasn't going to ring the doorbell by taking power from the island, even though there was more of it than a thousand of me could channel at once. Instead I took out the silver pentagram around my neck and channeled a thread of power into it until it glowed silver then I raised it up and flashed it at the tower like a reverse lighthouse.

In response there's a shift in the flow of power, barely a blip compared to the sheer scale of the thing, but it still sends my senses recoiling. It's a good thing, this is good, I remind myself, simplest form of communication, call and response. At the very least whatever lives here had indeed seen us and it was willing to talk.

First rule of talking to the land Hoss, don't startle it, 'cause it's a lot bigger and a lot slower than you are and it'll swat you like a fly, the advice came back to me like it was yesterday I'd been wandering around the Ozarks getting to know the mountains that had been climbing to the sky since before trees were a thing.

I'm alive like you are alive, channeling power from my heart, though the staff and into the air I let the air vibrate with the frequency of my heart. It's the element of communication and much as Bob might make me doubt it sometimes, intellect.

The answering change in the atmosphere is like a hammer to the chest... it may or may not have technically counted as a heart attack.

"NO!"

The soul boils up five feet in front of me, roots growing twisting, groaning against each other, soil hardening over them into a cold clay like something out of an old bog, a humanoid shape pulling itself out of the earth and yet somehow also out of the water and the air, its eyes searching green flame.


"I am not as the others, of the land but apart, your sympathy echos hollow unless you are the one-to-be. I am for one to keep as they are kept. Are you the one? Are you the Warden? Do you seek to be?"

Each word, each syllable, not English, but something closer to what Lash calls Enochian resounds in my chest. The heart thing... probably wasn't my best idea.

What do you do?

[] Harry answers yes, something tells you the spirit does not deal well with things going off script

[] Get Harry out of there (MHM to lift him back onto the boat)

[] Write in


OOC: Harry Dresden is gonna... Harry Dresden. He botched his Arette+Prime Roll to establish safe communication but he aced the soak roll not to take damage from a Genius Loci using his heart as a voice box.
 
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[X] Harry answers yes, something tells you the spirit does not deal well with things going off script

Ed This honestly seems the safest answer
 
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It could have gone worse than this considering the other Arete botches I've seen... But I honestly don't really want to just give in to canon even here. Hmm.
 
It could have gone worse than this considering the other Arete botches I've seen... But I honestly don't really want to just give in to canon even here. Hmm.

Note that Harry is still linked, each time the spirit speaks he has to roll to soak two bashing, until someone breaks the spell... and he's not entirely sure how to do it without coming off as hostile. The botch was pretty bad, just not flashy.
 
Ouch... Harry just isn't rolling well here. But, ok, he can work as Warden.

[X] Harry answers yes, something tells you the spirit does not deal well with things going off script
 
[X] Harry answers yes, something tells you the spirit does not deal well with things going off script
 
A subtle reminder that we should look into anti scry and magic spying/surveillance means even if we have the Five Courts, the Carpenter house and precog directly around Molly is troublesome. Need something for the Last Station against spying.

Unless that was included with the upgrades we gave it?
There's an ancient sorcery spell for this, I'd prefer to use that and potentially see if we can make splendors based on it once we know the spell.

Perhaps in the mean time we could use a prodigy. It doesn't have to be perfect, just make things harder.
A campaign that widespread on the Ordo Malleus suggests a supernatural nationstate. Reds, a Yama King...... someone with both the power, knowledge and the minions to prosecute this kind of campaign. I dont think the Denarians could do this without calling in a favor or six; they have the power and knowledge, but not the disposable minions.
Whoever it is just volunteered for a spanking. Molly's Catholic enough to take messing with the Church like that personally. Sure the white god could handle it himself, but it's a matter of principle.

Also we get to make crusade jokes while we do it, which is quite nearly its own reward. :V

I'm sure the Church won't have mixed feelings about some sort of weird demon thing enthusiastically trying to eat the souls of the critters currently trying to mess with them.
Not my point. My point is that Molly is an Infernal Exalt, and a baby Primordial with a world body already manifested. There's a non-zero chance that, unless notified and placated beforehand, Demonreach would react to her presence with "Join Combat", because she absolutely has no place in the current age, and her very presence is accelerating the coming of the next Age.
Hopefully we can make friends with it after settling things down. One of the funniest things about infernals is their baby spirit monster energy. I like to imagine it as a puppy from a large dog breed coming over to play with an old streetwise terrier.

I mean Demonreach could still kick our ass if we fought him in his place, but he's a mountain and Molly's a planet.
Significant 's' missing here. I assume this is supposed to be Hoss referring to Dresden, but it reads like McCoy's term for a genus loci is a Land Ho. Which is a bit of a bold way to describe them.
Ouch... Harry just isn't rolling well here. But, ok, he can work as Warden.

[X] Harry answers yes, something tells you the spirit does not deal well with things going off script
I don't think we have much of a choice either way. A bad reaction from a land spirit is always unpleasant, but Harry's ritual here just gave it a link to his physical heart. He had to roll soak to listen to it speak. Even if it's irritation only manifested as a desire to swear at him for wasting the spirit's time he might still explode.

Presumably he's try to stop that, but it seems like letting something in would make that harder from the start and we can't directly help him.

Given how the FCF heavily integrates spirits into everything it does I wonder if there's some specialty equipment we could draw on for stuff like this in the future. Stuff like magitech that mediates connections of this sort so that if the other party shouts it doesn't hurt anyone.

[X] Harry answers yes, something tells you the spirit does not deal well with things going off script
 
[X] Harry answers yes, something tells you the spirit does not deal well with things going off script

Yes, considering that the negotiations are taking away his heart... Oooooooooohhhhhhhh
 
[X] Harry answers yes, something tells you the spirit does not deal well with things going off script
 
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