The problem is it risks upsetting the balance of power we've carefully arranged because the most ready sources of personnel are the Junta and the Dynasty, who are at least marginally opposed, and no one from the regions under threat of nuclear annihilation from space, because they don't have the sort of space-skilled personnel we'd want or a pipeline for them. This is something we should come back to in three or four years, once people have had a chance to settle out a bit.
I'm pretty sure the Daughters are part of the Navy, as exemplified by your character. If they're not part of the Navy, your character would've been denied advancement or purged. It's a faction, but an internal one, not an independent organization. As such, claiming them as neutral is quite a streach.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, the intent of your point about sharing the J-Drive clashes with the already established limits on building jump-capable ships in S'Taxu. Besides that, additional exploration would be rather redundant, given that our scouts are already combing the space and we can share maps.
My character is a sympathizer; think of the divisions during the French Revolution and you'll be on the money. I still think my point on neutrality stands, as they represent Home and the People, but not the government which bombarded Xyphon, making them a good go-between for aid. I think it would be foolish and downright dangerous, given that one Xyphon resistance force still bears arms, to not try to get involved in a rebuilding process that might lead to peace and the permanent conclusion to the conflict, even if we have to rely on the local religious to do so.
Edit: also, I know we've restricted them building more Jump ships for military reasons; this plan is a way to keep the tech moving and prevent secret military projects, as all Jump work will be civilian-focused and shared between every faction including ourselves, leaving easy ways for malfeasance to be spotted. It's an insurance policy and an olive branch all in one.
It doesn't read as such since your plans consistently push for Daughters involvement to the degree you'd have them supplant the current ruling body, it's significantly more than a sympathiser would be doing.
I think it would be foolish and downright dangerous, given that one Xyphon resistance force still bears arms, to not try to get involved in a rebuilding process that might lead to peace and the permanent conclusion to the conflict, even if we have to rely on the local religious to do so.
I can see the point and I wouldn't be oppossed to some civilian charity organization or Space Red Cross being involved. But using the Daughters needlessly exposes our internal affairs to outsiders.
Edit: also, I know we've restricted them building more Jump ships for military reasons; this plan is a way to keep the tech moving and prevent secret military projects, as all Jump work will be civilian-focused and shared between every faction including ourselves, leaving easy ways for malfeasance to be spotted. It's an insurance policy and an olive branch all in one.
This, I don't see working out, it's way too easy for the knowledge to seep to their respective navies or corporate interests that would compete with our traders. We want to have as much of a headstart establishing interstellar trade as we can.
@4WheelSword BTW, the Daughters are said to be based on religion. Is their religion the same as mainstream, some sort of sprinter faith or some new belief original to Home?
Oh! Hey I missed this post.
The Daughters of the People are a neo-religious cult which operates without mythos. There is a messiah figure, empowered by god/stars/the universe/the spirit. This messiah figure is one part oracle, one part political leader. They have existed for some 20-30 years and are broadly accepted as simply being part of the system on Home. Many people believe in the Daughters without ascribing to their political beliefs or will, and there are lay-preachers and believers in all walks of life on Home. They are not a dominant religious group, but they are probably one of the most politically active religious groups.
...weird. so they're a cult without any specific religion?
More of a "we're a religion, and definitely not something that would otherwise be a proscribed political movement", or a cult with a "blessed, don't ask by who, just trust me" leader and a balloon of vaguely "spiritual" beliefs and egalitarian bellyfeel ready to be inflated with whatever divine agency the current listener subscribes to?
More of a "we're a religion, and definitely not something that would otherwise be a proscribed political movement", or a cult with a "blessed, don't ask by who, just trust me" leader and a balloon of vaguely "spiritual" beliefs and egalitarian bellyfeel ready to be inflated with whatever divine agency the current listener subscribes to?
Alternatively, it's the sort of cult that has levels of initiation and just the top members know what it is actually about. Notice, that their leader is said to be one part oracle, one part political leader and in the earlier desciptions it was mentioned to seek "[Home's] influence spreading beyond its own boundaries and into distant and disparate empires", so perhaps it's going to be expansionist like later Fremens in Dune.
Adhoc vote count started by 4WheelSword on Jul 29, 2024 at 3:05 AM, finished with 38 posts and 11 votes.
[X] Plan A, in order of importance:
--[X] 2K tonnes, but were OK with negotiating down to 1K.
--[X] This point is meant to be as an option for the population, voluntary, such that we're OK with not pushing on that point.
[X] Write-in: Home will offer jump technology assistance to all space-capable S'taxu factions for the purposes of peaceful scientific advancement; our scientists will share knowledge and information with any non-military body which requests it, with all requests reviewed by the HSWB to prevent violation of these terms.
[X] The Citizen's Council will provide all necessary funds to support relief efforts in the former Xyphoni territories, coordinated with the PMC and Chambrestrong Dynasts. To avoid further harm, all aid will be transported via civilian ships and distributed on behalf of Home by the Daughters of the People, who are outside the military structures that targeted the Federation and therefore a neutral Home representative.
What would the Navy like out of ongoing negotiations?
- The return of prisoners of war, remains recovered from the Heimdall and wreckage.
- Fuelling and Resupply rights in S'Taxu for vessels flagged as members of the HSWB.
- Access to S'Taxu civilian construction yards for Home business interests.
- The option to offer recruitment to S'Taxu's population to staff an Interstellar Navy.
Peace Negotiations
The vast majority of participants in the negotiations are perfectly willing to spend time discussing the nature of things with the representatives of the Daughters, indeed the democratic factions do just that. It takes several hours to convince the delegation from the citizens council to return to the table, lured back in with promises that they are still the kingmakers in the ongoing diplomatic talks. When they finally do, it is with assurances from the Daughters that they are not present to delegitimise Home, the Citizens Council or the work of the Navy; instead, they are here to find a way in which they can offer aid to the peoples of S'Taxu.
The negotiations from thereon in are terrifyingly complex. Legal language, translated twice, only becomes more complex and the work is left to specialists. Some points of note are as follows:
- The Peoples Military Council will, of course, return the remaining survivors of the Heimdall and personal effects recovered from the wreckage. Unfortunately the wreckage proper cannot be returned as it was totally disassembled by their investigators and scientists in an attempt to reverse engineer the systems aboard. They do have the ships builders plaque preserved and would like to return it in a ceremony commemorating the lives lost.
- The Daughters of the People have access to at least one cargo freighter and will gladly coordinate and lead out-system efforts to deliver aid to S'Taxu, the PMC and the people of Xyphon. They will not take responsibility for the efforts, but will act as a neutral observer and distributor to meet needs. Cassalon will be their local point of contact for coordinating these efforts.
- Fuelling and Resupply for the HSWB will be available from both PMC and Dynast facilities, in both the inner and outer system. Home will maintain the stationing of two cruisers in the system until such a time as further developments require that to change. No group is particularly happy with the ongoing presence of out-system warships in S'Taxu, but they are also extremely distrustful of each other.
- The Xyphon Freedom League make it clear that they consider anyone aiding the Chambrestrong Dynasty in maintaining order after the war crimes they have committed are an enemy of the people and will be resisted by all measures. It is unclear what the other Xyphon remnant groups think of this, but they are certainly unwilling to disown the Freedom League.
- Both the Peoples Military Council and the Chambrestrong Dynasty seek assistance in building merchant jump-ships, cargo freighters to expand the flow of trade and pass some of it into the hands of the people being delivered aid. Will this open the way for Home corporations to expand into S'Taxu? Perhaps.
- The Dynasts are unwilling to approve of recruitment amongst the Junta as that would only lead to Junta personnel eventually crewing the nuclear weapon satellites. The PMC is unwilling to approve the reverse, as the Home Space Warfare Branch has already shown willingness to conduct orbital bombardment of a planetary surface and they do not thing the Dynasts should have additional support in that matter. The people of occupied Xyphon are too busy with their own issues. The Democratic Republic of Cassalon is willing to allow the HSWB to recruit from amongst its population, given the Dynasts are not.
With that done these negotiations are no longer the domain of the HSWB.
The Waiting Game
With six months until the completion of the Deep Space Surveyors, and the local cluster reduced to 'tense' rather than 'actively shooting', the Home Space Warfare Branch is able to focus on other, more important things; what exactly they are.
It is clear that the Home Space Warfare Branch has outgrown its youth as a simple branch of the citizens militia. It now operates ten interstellar vessels, three stations and two interplanetary ships, and plans to add four more ships and an out-system station in the coming years. The HSWB is now the peacekeeper and kingmaker for at least one inhabited system, and the direct point of contact for another. It is quickly expanding into something new, and it deserves recognition of that.
Should the HSWB's name change?
[ ] No, HSWB is a perfectly fine name.
[ ] It should be renamed the Home Interstellar Navy (HIN)
[ ] It should be named the Home Exploration and Warfare Corps (HEWC)
[ ] It should be named the Home Orbital Superiority Armada (HOSA)
[ ] Other - write-in In addition, please use the next 24 hours (ish) to submit potential naval ensigns and naval emblems/coats of arms that can be used in various art. These will be selected from in tomorrows update based on submissions. Thank you.
Yes but unless we are waging battle against the territory of a nebulous alien empire marked on the map with grey shading and labels of "???" it's not exactly 100% correct as a name.
OK, below are some quick attemps at our roundels/emblems. White/Orange/Red/Black I think are the colors we should stick to because of the connection to our sun. I think I personally like designs 2 and 3 the most. Then again, perhaps 1 would look better without the central star, as a sort of faux bolted-on emblem.
Yes but unless we are waging battle against the territory of a nebulous alien empire marked on the map with grey shading and labels of "???" it's not exactly 100% correct as a name.
We are, and remain, the Space Warfare Branch of the Home military.
Also jointness. It's a thing. We don't really need to go making the ground forces butthurt by getting a cool new name; we might need them sometime. It is enough for now that we are becoming the senior service.
OK, below are some quick attemps at our roundels/emblems. White/Orange/Red/Black I think are the colors we should stick to because of the connection to our sun. I think I personally like designs 2 and 3 the most. Then again, perhaps 1 would look better without the central star, as a sort of faux bolted-on emblem.
@4WheelSword could you give us a list of recognizable symbols of space/planetary seafaring on Home (IE the Anchor or numerous seabirds irl) for inspiration in logo design? Or even just symbolic imagery of Home like colors and whatnot.
[ ] It should be renamed the Home Interstellar Navy (HIN)
I like "Navy"! It's classic and to the point.
What is up with these "Daughters" anyway? They seem to have infiltrators everywhere. Are we going to wake up one turn to a regime change? If so, I hope they come down on the "bribe the military with a bigger budget" side of revolutions rather than the "purge the officer corps and weaken the institution" side.
OK, below are some quick attemps at our roundels/emblems. White/Orange/Red/Black I think are the colors we should stick to because of the connection to our sun. I think I personally like designs 2 and 3 the most. Then again, perhaps 1 would look better without the central star, as a sort of faux bolted-on emblem.
EDIT: I like Draft 4 a lot, actually. Putting the black of space center, surrounded by the thinly explored orange edges, is nicely ominous while also communicating the amount of work that needs to be done. Drafts 1 through 3 look like sports team helmets. Five looks like a 1980s video game sprite.
I don't really have any skills with making images so I'll just give my best idea on a design for a pendant.
I typed this on mobile
Naval Pendant said:
The flag of the [whatever we name ourselves] is a simple bicolor flag of two horizontal colors of White, for Home's frozen poles and seas, and of Green for Home's vibrant evergreen taigas. The colors are equally split in a 1:1 ratio of one horizontal bar of each.
At the center of the flag is a 7 pointed star, with the points curved inwards in a counter-clockwise fashion, the universial meteorological symbol for Home's superstorms. Emblazoned on the star is a verticle two-pronged trident.
As for the name, Home Space Warfare Branch is good. At most I'd change the last word. Perhaps to the Home Space Warfare Command.
Whatever name gets choosen, I'd be nice if we had uniform designations for all ships. At the moment our support ship is HSLS Lakapati and not HSWB Lakapati.
@4WheelSword BTW, if I'm reading it right, chaff canisters are better than sand canisters. Why aren't we using them for our sand-caster weapons?