We can't just buy it, we need to invest AP in training with Harry first.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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@DragonParadox our court has spirits who can grant spirit sight to others- this was shown when we dealt with the wizards ability to tamper with spirit bound weapons. Are there any that can replicate the feat in the field?
For most people sure, but Molly can't get possessed by a spirit and made Fomori, You guys are going to need the Sight.
This is a little tangential, but Murphy being on screen and the Warden discussion has me thinking over scalable mortal empowerment again. We have a lot of ways to make individual people stronger, but doing it to a lot of them in a lot of places is harder. So I'm thinking about pulling the classic infernal trick and stealing evil's notes.
Dark Thaumaturgy the formal school is more like buying lessons in how to do things, but ritual magic of a similar variety where the user invokes effects they could never perform themselves is a well established fact. It just has the twin issues of having a skill floor and being vulnerable to DDOS style attacks by overuse.
What I'm thinking about is less doing something new and more scaling/streamlining something old.
We have access to industrial magitech and all humans have at least some technical ability to invoke magic in the DF. They don't necessarily need to understand what they're doing to activate a device which casts a ritual any more than they need to understand how their phone works to order pizza with it. Sorcery as a Service is a lot more practical if you can download rituals to your iTome and run them by clicking a button.
That leaves the DDOS issue, which I see two solutions for. The first is that traditional rituals don't have a good filtering mechanism, a patron has to answer every call to evaluate things. Magitech offers the possibility of stuff like embedded license keys so that they only have to listen rather than connect, or outright using mundane communication infrastructure to handshake before using any actual power on a customer's request. There's also the use of that trick with Splendid Gobstoppers to provide a constant power budget.
If we choose or custom build patrons for our platform that have a nature which can be fulfilled by supporting a given ritual then they'd be highly resistant to draining in this fashion. This would let us use a smaller number of items to achieve a larger impact overall.
Note the choose option in that too; we don't need to make every app in the store ourselves. Access to the platform is valuable coming and going so it's something we could trade access to at various levels. Embermane is a good example, where we could trade him a splendor that feeds him in exchange for becoming a supplier of a ritual that itself procs a feeding on our network.
Imagine Murphy with a omnitool style device on her arm, queuing up fire blasts or buffs to a target weapon.
The PR would be another key component to this, because getting mortals on the line would rely on our ability to convince people we're keeping the services offered safe. That they're transactional, the patrons won't go beyond very clearly defined limits, and payments won't have hooks in them*. If it works we can pull an Apple by charging both ends of the equation and allow baseline humans more supernatural power.
* Especially if we add things that involve indirect exchanges with the supplier instead of purely being financed by splendor. For example, ghosts would be amazing recruits for this. They want particular sorts of attention from mortals and can at least theoretically do quite a lot with the energy they get for it.
Watching a short video about a ghost or group of ghosts set up to provoke a specific response and asking the customer to literally send their well wishes in exchange for transactional expressions of power would be profitable for everyone as long as we keep the exchange safe.
Dark Thaumaturgy the formal school is more like buying lessons in how to do things, but ritual magic of a similar variety where the user invokes effects they could never perform themselves is a well established fact. It just has the twin issues of having a skill floor and being vulnerable to DDOS style attacks by overuse.
What I'm thinking about is less doing something new and more scaling/streamlining something old.
We have access to industrial magitech and all humans have at least some technical ability to invoke magic in the DF. They don't necessarily need to understand what they're doing to activate a device which casts a ritual any more than they need to understand how their phone works to order pizza with it. Sorcery as a Service is a lot more practical if you can download rituals to your iTome and run them by clicking a button.
That leaves the DDOS issue, which I see two solutions for. The first is that traditional rituals don't have a good filtering mechanism, a patron has to answer every call to evaluate things. Magitech offers the possibility of stuff like embedded license keys so that they only have to listen rather than connect, or outright using mundane communication infrastructure to handshake before using any actual power on a customer's request. There's also the use of that trick with Splendid Gobstoppers to provide a constant power budget.
If we choose or custom build patrons for our platform that have a nature which can be fulfilled by supporting a given ritual then they'd be highly resistant to draining in this fashion. This would let us use a smaller number of items to achieve a larger impact overall.
Note the choose option in that too; we don't need to make every app in the store ourselves. Access to the platform is valuable coming and going so it's something we could trade access to at various levels. Embermane is a good example, where we could trade him a splendor that feeds him in exchange for becoming a supplier of a ritual that itself procs a feeding on our network.
Imagine Murphy with a omnitool style device on her arm, queuing up fire blasts or buffs to a target weapon.
The PR would be another key component to this, because getting mortals on the line would rely on our ability to convince people we're keeping the services offered safe. That they're transactional, the patrons won't go beyond very clearly defined limits, and payments won't have hooks in them*. If it works we can pull an Apple by charging both ends of the equation and allow baseline humans more supernatural power.
* Especially if we add things that involve indirect exchanges with the supplier instead of purely being financed by splendor. For example, ghosts would be amazing recruits for this. They want particular sorts of attention from mortals and can at least theoretically do quite a lot with the energy they get for it.
Watching a short video about a ghost or group of ghosts set up to provoke a specific response and asking the customer to literally send their well wishes in exchange for transactional expressions of power would be profitable for everyone as long as we keep the exchange safe.
? There was no possession involved. I am talking this scene:
Can this be done in the field, instead of in a laboratory?
We should probably bring along some electro lasers for Murphy and anyone else who can use them reasonably well. For most purposes they're just better than a mundane gun. If we're concerned about them being warded against then we can switch to railguns instead, which I believe were mentioned at the same time as our death rays but haven't seen much use yet.
Didn't we send our undead carney approved DIY narco sub home after that thing with Iku? So technically we could actually do this if we wanted to be subtle.
Oh no, that is as small as that apparatus gets, it is state of the art, hence why the Empress was using it.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Well that explains that. Not expecting us to get it anytime soon then. Hopefully I'm wrong, it'd synergize well with the Crown I'm sure.
@DragonParadox Errors.
One "r" too many.
Need an "a" between here. Minutes should probably not be plural.
Unneeded space between the period and the end quote. Need a period after aside.
Missing period at the end.
Needs to be rewritten.
Reasons in Dark Places
This a slang im not aware of? Seems like it should say "big wig".
Need a comma after "given" as well.
Was probably meant to be kept not keep.
Wag is indeed slang for someone who tries to be funny.
First person personal is also intentional, an idiosyncratic way to say live and very close up
Everything else fixed and thanks again.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Still some left.
Definitely need an "of" after killing.
I'm not sure if this is actually incorrect as is but shouldn't this all be in past tense since Kate is dead? In that case "has" is "had" and "in" is "after".
Still need a period after aside.
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Fixed. 'In the demonic' was intentional, though thinking about it that is awkward so I made it clearer.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Should still be "cracks run through" not though.
-Because Heaven put a thumb on the scales?
Father Murphy was apparently not a scrub; you dont need Denarian magic users to deal with scrubs.
There's a good chance he was a saint, someone capable of dual-wielding wizardry and faith magic.
Maskelyne-Echtamidel didnt go to all that trouble and plot if he was someone they could have simply ganked casually; you dont use the Grace of a notRaksha as a glamor focus if the opponent is not pretty formidable.
-Also, correction: He wasnt the immediately previous Warden.
The date of his death in 1871 suggests that he was one of the Wardens BEFORE Kemmler, and we know by Word of Butcher that there were at least two Wardens between Kemmler and Dresden.
Its entirely possible that the current Warden is still alive in this AU. We dont know when they died.
No I did not.
I cannot see how you read those set of words and came to that conclusion.
No it is not.
Demonreach currently contains over 6,000 prisoners. These entities were put there by wizards brawny enough, smart enough, and skilled enough to engage them, bind them and seal them.
There's a reason that Demonreach was built by a wizard, and not another god or the Fae.
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Thats just not true.
I have previously posted Word of Butcher explicitly on the Senior Council being deadlocked on appointing/sending a new Warden candidate to the island from among themselves and peers. At no point in time have they worried about a god, or a Fae, or a Yama King, or a Big Foot or a hengeyokai or some other entity slipping in to assume guardianship over the place.
In the cut throat world of Dresdenverse politics, that speaks volumes on its own.
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No she would not. She is not a wizard. All wizardry is magic, but not all magic is wizardry.
Its the same shit that prevents Mikaboshi or Emma-O or Rangda loading up a mortal servant with Investments and sending them to attempt to take control. Or the Red Court training a mortal or dhampir priest and sending him. The same thing that prevents a Fomori sorcerer-lord trying his hand.
Or the Fae Courts just sending mortals aligned to them with some magic blessings.
Or just one of the Forest People showing up and binding the place.
Wizards are not the only people who can use magic.
The fact that by Word of Butcher the Council never worried about some other people trying to appoint a Warden speaks volumes in its own right.
Furthermore? Molly was BORN a wizard, and Awakened as a teenager, and was actively using wizardry.
Exalting burned out/displaced her wizard-tier talent, and she is having to learn Hedge Magic one Path at a time, along with Ancient Sorcery.
Exaltation made her non-eligible for this role. Thats why we're not discussing Molly as a Warden-candidate.
The idea that Exalting would somehow allow an untalented Exalt to replace a wizard in a wizard-centric role is ridiculous on its face. No offence.
This is all very theoretical and no spoilers but... they probably should have. Per the RPG Silk is a wizard, she is alive, somewhat trained and under the control of a Red Court Vampire in Vegas, she could have taken over the island. Same with Elaine and Summer. There is nothing conceptually stopping other factions from having wizards, they are just rare.
Here yes. In the DF RPG books, Silk is not a wizard-class magic user. And is more or less untrained to boot.
Literally the reason why the major battles of Dead Beat happened was because the Red Court attacked and captured some wizards, and the entire Senior Council took the field in response.
They kinda take that sort of "monopoly of trained wizards" seriously. At least in wartime.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
Can Molly bring one of her clones to the island?
Because Im considering writing-in Sophia.
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She has soulgaze in the DF RPG book, that is the mark of wizard talent according to Harry
Yes you can.
1)I dont want to dig up the books, but Im pretty sure she isnt supposed to be a wizard in the DF RPG.
More along the lines she has some niche talent to go with being a sorcerer.
And she definitely isnt trained.
2)Thanks.
Will go finish a plan.
I dont really think its a good idea to take Lasciel's sister-daughter Tiffany to the island where Lasciel's host tried to subvert its guardian a century and a half ago.
At least, not as first option. Unfortunate misunderstandings might result.
Also, since we voted to take Murphy, bringing Tiffany would make this their first meeting.
This really shouldnt be the place and time for this, especially since there's a risk of Demonreach identifying Tffany's ancestry in public to everyone, whether or not Tiffany wants to share.
Similarly, it would be exposing the Dragonbloods to Murphy and potentially the Library before they are ready for anything such.
This was why I warned about bringing Karrin just to indulge her curiosity.
Other people have secrets they dont necessarily want to share with the mortal woman and/or her bosses before getting to know her better. And I dont think we get to make those decisions for those people.
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VOTE
[X] Plan Party of Six
-[X] A Wizard (Guaranteed to work, but does involve the risks of using the Sight on the Work of the Fallen)
--[X] Harry Dresden
-[X] Write in: Michael Carpenter
-[X] Write In: Lydia
-[X] Write In: Sophia
RATIONALE
Lydia has the Supernatural Awareness that Tiffany does, is mortal enough to be recognized, and has spirit dogs.
Michael bears Amoracchius, which might be sufficient to get Demonreach to behave instead of assuming bad faith from the beginning, and is a hedge against some Denarian bullshit we missed.
Harry is our fallback in the event that Lydia cant find it.
And Sophia is Molly's clone.
The one who is very good with spirits, can shapeshift, and has very high Perception + Occult.
That brings the full number to 6 people: Molly, Harry, Lydia, Murphy, Michael, Sophia.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
If Haven had put a thumb on the scales the Church would have known more about Father Murphy. As a reminder:
So we should look into what happened to the records the Church did keep on Father Murphy because that is another lead we can look at at some point.
I said Heaven. Not the Church.
The Church works for Heaven, not the other way around, and are not always privy to Heaven's moves and decisionmaking.
Note how the last four Sword bearers in canon were Sanya, a Russian agnostic, Murphy a lapsed Catholic, Susan a half-Red vampire, and Butters, a Jew.
Or how Uriel's chosen Sword custodian for Amoracchius and Fidelaccius was Harry Dresden, who is not Christian.
Or conventionally religious.
Molly Carpenter *a devout Catholic who knows her history*: Part of the Church.
