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Of course we shouldn't. If it turns out that the book is way too dangerous to leave in the hands of mortals, we explain dangers to Murphy, and probably arrange the book to be stolen a couple of days after its returned with her consent. Karrin is competent enough and in the know enough to have a decisive say in this.
Might be something else, yes, but I too am unsure what. We should at least investigate.
Arc 13 Post 42: Between the Lines
Between the Lines
13th of February 2007 A.D.
As soon as you see the writing you start to run the odds in your head, it looks complex and broad in application, not something most practitioners would be able to get much out of and it's been with the family for a hundred and forty years now, 'quiet in their keeping' as the very nerdy reference goes. Now that it's been brought to light someone might make it public only for it to come to the attention of the wrong crowd, but that's a lot of mights and maybes to be considering stealing something outright. Putting on a fake name and a fake face for a social call is one thing, this book means something to the Murphy family. Could I convince Detective Murphy? you think and the answer is obvious: If I tell her it's making them unsafe, but is it really? Father Murphy was setting his affairs in order, he knew what was coming and he didn't remove this journal from his family's keeping. You have faith enough in him and in the One who sent that message not to steal.
"Can I take some pictures?" you ask, not feigning the interested tone in the least. The journal is filled with philosophical musings that skip from Biblical allegory and commentary to pondering the historical questions of the day. Unsurprisingly for both an Irishman and a true man of God he has nothing good to say about the cause of the Confederacy, though he does go into a remarkably detailed diatribe for what's supposed to be a private journal. And there sure are a lot of rhetorical questions in there?
As Clippy helpfully classifies sentence structure and feeds the information into your ear-piece the puzzle in front of you finally clicks, this is a primer for teaching young wizards morality as much as magic and Father Murphy might have left it with his family because he was concerned one of his nieces and nephews or one of their children would have the gift of magic.
I bet if I'd have shown up here sixty years ago there would still be a spell on this made to draw the eye of budding practitioners, but now all that's left is ink and paper.
Part of you wonders if you should even share that thought with the woman sitting stiffly on the couch next to you through click after click, that she might have been born with the power to make more of a difference, to see the unseen and fight on even terms with the mosnters of the world, the primer had ever been in her house, but she just wasn't.
Unfortunately the nature of the journal also means that there is nothing in here relating to the place on the lake or the manner of his death. Admittedly that would be the last thing you'd want to heap on the shoulders of a wizard just starting out, but it does not help you.
"That certainly proved as impressive as I was hoping, more so in some ways," you say putting the phone away. "A fascinating man was Father Murphy and learned in many things."
Mrs Murphy sighs. "Aye, a great man gone too soon as most of them are, he was called to take the confession of a dying man on the 31st of October, the day of the Fire, he went and... just never came back, they weren't able to find anything of him afterwards so it was a long sad process to have his affairs settled. I heard from Colin's mother that it might have been the reason why her grandfather's sister Kate died. I looked that up once but the city just marked it down as consumption."
Two of four siblings dead in a short span of time in 1871, normally it wouldn't be suspicious on its own but with the Fallen involved... no Eschtamidel would have lost his host in the fire and would have had the Coin tossed across the world beside. Had there been more than one of them around? Or are you just seeing things in the tragic but all too common story of someone already struggling seeing their health fail in the wake of personal tragedy?
Regardless there is one other person to ask according to Detective Murphy her great aunt. So it is with some relief that you bid farewell to both Detective Rick, Lisa and Liam, silently wishing the kid to develop more common sense than his parents and get back in the car.
Do you explain to Murphy what that book was?
[] Yes
-[] Just mention that it's a spellbook and she should secure it
-[] Explain it's a magical primer
[] No, you'll deal with this once you get to the bottom of the mystery
[] Write in
OOC: No more essence used this scene because you are one mote off flaring and Molly does not like being right on the line unless she has to in case something like that Akuma shot back in Boston happens, she likes to be able to use her excelency in an emergency.
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Those pictures might be really useful to us, or rather to the FCF. An insider's look at how magic operates here made for beginners is close to perfect for starting a study of local conditions.
Thank you for the citation.
But that just says that they know the person was a girl, not that they had recognized the person involved.
Remember, 2000s-era security camera optics.
At night.
If it wasnt the Vegas Strip, they wouldnt have gotten even that much.
I think they would.
Everything we know about their track record with regards to information sharing thus far says that they would.
What Von Trier told us during our meeting in Chicago says they would.
At least, thats my opinion.
And to be fair, even under the best of circumstances, Daedalus only really dates to post-9/11.
There are immortals and supernatural factions that havent taken official notice of their existence yet.
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Fair enough.
I found the Changes quote. Apparently it really isnt.
Harry was still in his "Politics are icky and has cooties" stage; he wasnt really pushing anything.
Apparently, not even with his grandfather/mentor.
Private discussions with his ex dont count as politicking.
I am of the opinion that you are vastly underestimating the institutional resistance that this would run into.
Or the additional risk factors you are introducing into the meta for any magic-user with a pigeon.
I'll leave it at that.
Eh. I dont really think it matters very much.
Especially since the precedent of the Shih would already give them a model for estimating magical martial art performance.
And of course, this assumes that Murphy is willing to go into that much detail anyway.
Fair to want it.
I just didnt think the risks involved in lying and committing actual crimes to get it were worth it.
I mean, Im usually the one yelling about information control.
But we'd have been risking burning multiple allies if we had chosen to go all in with forging identification.
And thats not counting the personal risk.
I dont agree; its very much IC for Harry to work with the lesser evil.
He helped overthrow Lord Raith in favor of Lara Raith in Blood Rites, and later helped her secure her leadership against coup attempts by the Malvora and the Skavis in White Night. It was also his call in the same book that made Marcone an official signatory of the Accords and Baron Marcone.
He again allied with Lara and the Whites to foil Shagnasty and the whole Peabody plot in Turn Coat.
And in this case, Black Court vampire was very much the lesser evil compared to mass murdering human necromancers.
Though to be fair, he didnt really comprehend how bad the Kemmlerites were when he made the Mavra deal; he was more worried about Murphy.
I did a detailed analysis of what we know about it back when we got the poem/prophecy.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy
This deserves a detailed reply, but I cant address it right now. I'll try to get back to this later today. Lunars start with a higher floor than Infernals and other Solaroids. But they are pretty clearly balanced to peak lower than the Solaroids; once an Infernal buys its first Shintai, the gap...
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Thats a prophecy that Ivy just shared.
In order:
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He of the Long Arm
Lui Lavada/ Lugh Fadlámhach/Lugh Lámfada. Lugh of the Long Arm. Son of Ethniu and Cian, maternal grandson of Balor.
He killed his grandfather, Balor of the Evil Eye, in Irish mythology by throwing a spear or slingstone through his eye.
Bulging Eye That Bleeds
The Eye of Balor. Irish mythological and Dresdenverse superweapon, wielded by Balor of the Evil Eye.
Some of the myths characterizes it as an eye that bleeds
Time of Summer's Dimming
Summer solstice. At the solstice, Summer is at its greatest power, but begins to wane, while Winter's power begins to wax all the way to the winter solstice. Similarly, at the winter solstice, Winter's power is at its greatest, but begins to wane, while Summer begins to wax all the way to midsummer.
Six Years Between
In canon, Ethniu coming to Chicago with the Eye happened in Year 14; we are currently in Year 7. Close enough for an imprecise accounting
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Not a Lunar Exaltation, apparently.
"Just" a mythological citykiller/armykiller superweapon that was the keystone of the canon Formorian attack on Chicago that killed 60,000 mortal civilians, an unspecified number of supernatural soldiers, and gave Drakul the opportunity to grab a couple White Council wizards for his retinue.
And it fits better with the picture given in the poem we received.
Balor was in Irish mythology both a leader of the Fomor/Fomorians and a king of the Hebrides; Islay, which is where the Epidii used to live, is an island in the Hebrides.
The Eye of Balor is described in
Which makes Prince Trucc either a Fomorian, or a Fomorian-favoring Sidhe.
The Sidhe and the Fomor, while enemies in both Dresdenverse and Irish mythology explicitly had some interbreeding going on, both in Irish mythology and in the Dresdenverse, as evidenced by the story and parentage of Lugh Longarm.
And also explains why no Sidhe have had any interest in seeking something that was supposed to empower an ancestral enemy. Better it stay lost.
Some very nice research work here, @DragonParadox, and the integration is very well done.
Take a bow.
You earned it.
Thats a prophecy that Ivy just shared.
In order:
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He of the Long Arm
Lui Lavada/ Lugh Fadlámhach/Lugh Lámfada. Lugh of the Long Arm. Son of Ethniu and Cian, maternal grandson of Balor.
He killed his grandfather, Balor of the Evil Eye, in Irish mythology by throwing a spear or slingstone through his eye.
Bulging Eye That Bleeds
The Eye of Balor. Irish mythological and Dresdenverse superweapon, wielded by Balor of the Evil Eye.
Some of the myths characterizes it as an eye that bleeds
Time of Summer's Dimming
Summer solstice. At the solstice, Summer is at its greatest power, but begins to wane, while Winter's power begins to wax all the way to the winter solstice. Similarly, at the winter solstice, Winter's power is at its greatest, but begins to wane, while Summer begins to wax all the way to midsummer.
Six Years Between
In canon, Ethniu coming to Chicago with the Eye happened in Year 14; we are currently in Year 7. Close enough for an imprecise accounting
===
Not a Lunar Exaltation, apparently.
"Just" a mythological citykiller/armykiller superweapon that was the keystone of the canon Formorian attack on Chicago that killed 60,000 mortal civilians, an unspecified number of supernatural soldiers, and gave Drakul the opportunity to grab a couple White Council wizards for his retinue.
And it fits better with the picture given in the poem we received.
Balor was in Irish mythology both a leader of the Fomor/Fomorians and a king of the Hebrides; Islay, which is where the Epidii used to live, is an island in the Hebrides.
The Eye of Balor is described in
Wikipedia said:
Poem said:
Which makes Prince Trucc either a Fomorian, or a Fomorian-favoring Sidhe.
The Sidhe and the Fomor, while enemies in both Dresdenverse and Irish mythology explicitly had some interbreeding going on, both in Irish mythology and in the Dresdenverse, as evidenced by the story and parentage of Lugh Longarm.
And also explains why no Sidhe have had any interest in seeking something that was supposed to empower an ancestral enemy. Better it stay lost.
Some very nice research work here, @DragonParadox, and the integration is very well done.
Take a bow.
You earned it.
Like I think I've said to you before?
Its almost certainly Balor's Eye, the superweapon that Ethniu used in Battle Grounds.
There's much very little chance that its a Lunar Exaltation.
Not impossible, mind, but the thematic associations that we get very much do not suggest an Exaltation.
Furthermore, Usum's captivity among the Yama Kings gives us a benchmark for what a Celestial Exaltation in this setting can do when kitbashed as a weapon, and given that Winter wrecked a field army wielding Usum, I dont think thats it.
Besides, if it was an Exaltation repurposed as a weapon, the thematic associations would be much more likely to be an Abyssal Exaltation, or another Infernal, than a Lunar or Solar or Sidereal.
Welp, dead end. And a good note about jumping to conclusions.
Useful though. Probably a mental comfort to Karrin as well, that people back then were
Worth more as a family heirloom
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[X] Yes
-[X] Explain it's a magical primer
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There's no reason not to.
Magical primers arent that hard to find if you have money or the right contacts, and frankly magical primers written by moral people with do's and don'ts are things you want out in the wild. Thats why McCoy wrote Elementary Magic. The trajectory of Molly's life would have been less traumatic if she'd run into a magical primer after she'd Awakened her magic.
There isnt even a reason to secure it; beginner spells and exercises for a new wizard/sorcerer are just fine.
We can pass a copy to Harry to give Karrin a second opinion, and pass off a copy to SUTRA Iris, Sanctuary Intelligence and our magical scholars for their own files, with Karrin's permission.
Wait, Murphy doesnt know that Molly is an empress now, does she?
Hasnt been to Last Station since Molly installed Iris and company down there?
Thats going to be a surprise.
@DragonParadox
Has Karrin Murphy met Tiffany McNeill?
I would normally assume so, but Lash only got a body around Christmas.
Thats only about six or seven weeks ago.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
He wasn't working with the lesser evil against a bigger one though, he was ultimately submitting to her demands. The threat was entirely from Mavra.
She was the one who warned him the Word of Kemmler was in play, and gave him advanced warning to start being proactive.
Without it, the first he'd have known about the affair would have been when Cowl nuked the city's power grid.
Or when Corpsetaker or Grevane + Cassius jumped him in an alley.
As it is, he almost died multiple times.
To Grevane, to Corpsetaker, to Cowl, all of whom had him dead to rights at different times during the book.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
They have not met in person no, Harry did not really know how to handle that meeting and Tiffany herself is in no hurry.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox Possible error for the most recent one.
This one's a no brainer.
[X] Yes
-[X] Explain it's a magical primer
I think you meant for this to say something else.
[X] Yes
-[X] Explain it's a magical primer