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Arc 13 Post 39: Fire Without, Fire Within
Fire Without, Fire Within

13th of February 2007 A.D.

"I'm afraid this is the kind of story that starts with once upon a time because that's the only place it fits," you offer a rueful smile. "It begins with a story alive and aware of itself and a demon trying to make that story be 'and then all of Chicago burned'..." As the good Father watches with no small amount of worry you recount the whole thing, everything you know or have guessed about Eschtamidel his host Samuel Maskelyne and the means by which even that which has no compassion can stand against evil.

Somewhere in the middle of all that Detective Murphy brings out an old bottle of whiskey. Father Forthil takes just enough to be polite, but you grab a full glass and not for the reason you might once have. Alcohol has entirely lost the appeal of the forbidden, but Detective Murphy looks like she could really use someone to drink with. It's the story of monsters exactly, she must have made her peace with that after your talk about the Will and Eiko, it's not even the mention of the Fallen you think, but the idea that there is something of fire and destruction lurking just beneath Chicago, something she is entirely powerless to deal with, that would burn her by its very presence and that thing...

"It's like a discarded gun," she shakes her head as though in denial, but her words give lie to it. "This Embermane, a mountain of fire called up to burn the city, is just lying there like a still loaded gun some son of a bitch dropped on the floor." From the tone you guess she's thinking of some actual loaded gun that lead to tragedy that she had seen in her long career.

Not something you can help with really, the best you can do is point out that guns don't hold grudges, but old and vicious spirits do. Get him back his cup and it's even odds he'll start trying to immolate any Denarian he can get his hands on.

Father Forthil winces at the image and the smile it evokes, but he doesn't say anything as the silence stretches on and on. Finally you speak again: "So you'll help us find out more about Father Murphy?"

"Oh yeah Great Aunt Marry, that's my grandmother's sister must have met some of the people who knew him then there's papers and letters. I know two people in the family who keep that kind of thing but you shouldn't... we shouldn't lay all this out to them."

"Of course," you agree at once, but she's already looking towards Father Forthil as though she wants to ask a question, but can't bring herself to open her mouth. You don't read minds, at least not in this instance, but you read faces and motions and even read into silence. She wants to ask him how he deals with knowing that the best he might be able to do against a foe like that is die... a question she could never ask you.

"Humans were made to die, and to fear death," Usum's voice is soft, matter-of-fact.

Unbidden your thoughts go to the shard of light in Vegas, the one that might raise your peer. Could the woman before you prove herself worthy of that power?

As you watch her smoothly get up from the table, professional expression once more affixed firmly to her face you rather suspect she could.

Do you mention the possibility of getting more power to Murphy?

[] Yes
-[] Sanctuary Martial Arts, she already moves with the precision of someone who knows martial arts after all
-[] Awakening the Po... though not in front of a priest, there is no way to make that sound innocuous
-[] Write in

[] No, she can deal with this in her own way

[] Write in


OOC: You basically figured out in a world with Exaltations on the loose she is more likely than most to have gotten one, that in another age she would have been a Heroic Mortal, maybe even Enlightened on her own.
 
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[X] Yes
-[X] Sanctuary Martial Arts, she already moves with the precision of someone who knows martial arts after all
-[X] Awakening the Po... though not in front of a priest, there is no way to make that sound innocuous
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Sanctuary Martial Arts, she already moves with the precision of someone who knows martial arts after all


Removed awakening the Po, as I consider Murphy a possible candidate for an exaltation. Not my first tier choice, but a viable backup plan.
 
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[X] Yes
-[X] Sanctuary Martial Arts, she already moves with the precision of someone who knows martial arts after all
-[X] Awakening the Po... though not in front of a priest, there is no way to make that sound innocuous
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Sanctuary Martial Arts, she already moves with the precision of someone who knows martial arts after all
-[X] Awakening the Po... though not in front of a priest, there is no way to make that sound innocuous

and maybe some fleshcrafting-oh and cybernetics!can we get her a justice spirit as a familiar? What about magic armor... i think i remember something about fairytale upgrades?

yes,i admit it, i have a problem.
I want to turn every nice( or even ok)
human into a magic superhero.
maybe ill write a fanfic sometime. Im just really lazy.
 
and maybe some fleshcrafting-oh and cybernetics!can we get her a justice spirit as a familiar? What about magic armor... i think i remember something about fairytale upgrades?

yes,i admit it, i have a problem.
I want to turn every nice( or even ok)
human into a magic superhero.
maybe ill write a fanfic sometime. Im just really lazy
Flesh crafting is ot ours to offer, but we could tell her about Lash.

Going into NeverNever for a power boost on a quest is a foolish idea unless one has no alternatives, and Murphy does
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Sanctuary Martial Arts, she already moves with the precision of someone who knows martial arts after all
 
Flesh crafting is ot ours to offer, but we could tell her about Lash.

Going into NeverNever for a power boost on a quest is a foolish idea unless one has no alternatives, and Murphy does
It was a joke, maybe we can talk to lash later, but what we offer is already overwhelming. I want to give her every upgrade imaginable( just cause i like upgrades) but i know its not a good idea. But thank you for reminding me of the dangers of fairytale upgrades.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Sanctuary Martial Arts, she already moves with the precision of someone who knows martial arts after all
-[X] Awakening the Po... though not in front of a priest, there is no way to make that sound innocuous
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Sanctuary Martial Arts, she already moves with the precision of someone who knows martial arts after all
-[X] Awakening the Po... though not in front of a priest, there is no way to make that sound innocuous
 
As an alternative, I'd like to propose my sword design*, Potentially something repurposed to brawl because she's an Akido master**, but functionally a similar item.

She's close with the library, so if we train her with our stuff they're going to get insights into the mechanics of our martial arts. We're already known to be a crafter of serious bullshit ability so the leak there is less significant.

More practically it also gives her power up front; she'll need to get used to it, but as a heroic mortal with a day job she can't just jump into our hell to live the apprentice life until she awakens her chi. I'm sure she'd learn quickly, but still on the baseline timescale.

It's more practical, effective, and secure for everyone involved by most parameters I can see.

* Last version here:
If those are the rules are those are the rules.


Need another version of my item though.

5 dot upgrade:

X2

Assigned such that in combination with the base dots the sword-emanation has Perception 7, Intelligence 7, Occult 6, Awareness 5, Brawl 5.


Add divination path at the highest level available with freebies.

Flaws:


6 dots, all magical abilities are limited to being used in ways that connect to the wielder of the sword.



Speed doesn't matter for our purposes here, and this doesn't debuff anything else.

Merits:

1 dot:

X2 - Awareness and Occult








2 dots:




3 dots:


4 dots:

source

Once a night black blade of imperfection sharpened to a lethal point, under the hand of the first Green Sun Princess of the new age Certiorari has become something more.

Shot through the blade in what appears to be cracks of impossibly bright silver, runes lay down a new order of the world.

Rather than making whole what was broken, the sword exalts its flaws and raises them up as the true way of things; a monopole forcing its way into existence and asserting supremacy over all alternatives.

Within the alien constellations of the blade a living emanation of the order to come stirs to wakefulness, watching the world that is in an echo of the sovereignty that formed it.

In the hands of a chosen wielder Certiorari empowers, protects, and guides in accordance with its true nature - Surety from an age yet to be infringing on the one yet to pass.
With the blade of conviction at hand, the wielder is sheltered under its unyielding purpose. No magic may touch their mind, for it simply lacks the authority to change their purpose regardless of power.

When acting on opposition to the world the sword cannot guarantee success against all opposition, but it can ward off any true failure regardless of difficulty.

These are just the most obvious and least important of its powers however.

In the image of its creator, Certiorari's greatest strength is in its eyes.

Using its privileged position partially outside of time and the laws of the current age, the spirit in the blade may peer out at the world and trace the connections of its wielder through it.

With inhuman precision it constantly monitors the present moment, and tries to guide its wielder to the best place they can be to accomplish their goals, collecting whatever information it can to inform its decision.

Due to its position, the spirit also has the ability to see glimpses of the future and the context of the world at large, though only ever as their related to the wielder and their interests.

With its inhuman intellect all of this information is used to support the goals of the wielder. Avoiding what they cannot fight, fighting what they cannot avoid, and striving to find the exact right spot to make the greatest possible impact.

I've changed things around here a bit.
Actually manifesting and doing stuff is the last thing the emanation should be doing, so I dropped natural weapons for telepathy so it could remain in the blade but still use its various powers and communicate with Daniel. I also shuffled the others around per the prior discussion in the thread to optimize for its core role.

In the styling of the swords of the cross, Certiorari is the Blade of Conviction. Something that can be a great virtue or terrible vice depending on the purpose to which it is put.

The inspiration isn't just the literal translation, but a legal phrase used for a type of writ where a superior court compels an inferior one to turn over a case for review.

"To be made certain" isn't a request, it's a declaration.

Which is on one level exactly what the sword is for. It reaches down from a lofty position and provides surety in their purpose and results in a variety of variably material ways.



In use the biggest advantage is the spirit whispering in the background. The immunity, guaranteed melee success, and melee difficulty reduction make him dangerous in a fight, but regardless of the item in use he's still mortal.

An supernatural information officer with inhuman intelligence, high levels of local situational awareness, and atemporal knowledge actively crunching the numbers to give him an advantage is a critical part of taking any lever we give him and making sure he can stand in the right spot to use it.

It's basically the closest we can get to granting him Mysterious Ways functionality.

The soul eating upgrade path also provides a way to actually manage this issue long term. Per DP's ruling it can be used to generate bonus exp for Daniel.

It'd be good if that gets expanded to optionally going to the sword emanation, but even without that it lets him boost his progress in a way that will help compensate for his disadvantages without unbalancing everything since it requires noteworthy battles.

There are some issues with binding it, but if we want to play the rules straight Daniel could manage learning just enough chi control to do the job.

Considering that the alternative @Yog wrote actively redefines how several abilities work for maximum advantage without changing the point buy involved on the basis of Gossamer I think it's reasonable to flex this requirement a little here since it otherwise follows RaW.

Give him an exemption as the one the blade was made for at the start and let him pay in willpower to toggle it on or off.

A few changes here, the first being that I swapped prophetic visions for precognition. They're similar cost and do similar things, but I've actively brings the white god or something similar into things. The fluff on seeing the future directly fits better. I already had 6 points in flaws for the magic restrictions, so I only needed to add short to get to the cap on bonus merit points. It doesn't really cause us much trouble since it should be unmanifested and working remote through the sword most of the time.

I also added mystic ability, which adds in the more abstract portent and visions as "secular" magic, but as a distinct ability that should proc separately and therefore give the god more bites at the apple of future knowledge.

The balance of the points went into single dot utility enhancers that synergize well.

2 buys of ability aptitude for awareness and occult, because they're a flat -2 diff to all uses of those abilities.

Common sense because this person is supposed to be an advisor, and having backed in storyteller backed common sense is basically cheating for that.

Magic sensitivity for the cheapest magic detector merit. Which just so happens to heavily rely on occult rolls, making determining what magic is or was used recently within 10 feet of Daniel and getting specific details a 13 dice dc 6 roll.

Last point in lightning calculator, which is admittedly kind of weird. But we want the genius spirit to be able to track and manipulate information across a large area. A computer brain for tracking hard numbers is pretty useful for that.

End result is 3 different synergistic ways to look into the future, a higher capacity to understand what they mean, and some nice support powers for turning that information into plans of action without failing to handle a detail without doing something stupid. Along with a nice magic warning and investigation tool to help notice and respond to casters playing stupid games.

**I think she's actually given a rank of some kind, but I don't recall what it was.
 
Removed awakening the Po, as I consider Murphy a possible candidate for an exaltation. Not my first tier choice, but a viable backup plan.
Which charm do we awaken the Po through? Is it Inner Devils Unchained? If so, that charm specifically mentions we can take back our gift. We'd lose the chance for her to gain an impromptu exaltation, but it's not like there are many of those flying around anyway.
Speaking of, why is it impossible to receive an exaltation if your Po is awakened? I don't see how one prevents the other.
 
Speaking of, why is it impossible to receive an exaltation if your Po is awakened? I don't see how one prevents the other.
Exaltation shards have a known biases against people with mutations and/or awakened essence. For example the three created races the People of the Air/water/earth are called blessed races, simply because the solar's designed them to have the same chance of exaltation as a normal human.
 
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Which charm do we awaken the Po through? Is it Inner Devils Unchained? If so, that charm specifically mentions we can take back our gift. We'd lose the chance for her to gain an impromptu exaltation, but it's not like there are many of those flying around anyway.
Speaking of, why is it impossible to receive an exaltation if your Po is awakened? I don't see how one prevents the other.
ExvsWoD solar exaltations (I was talking primarily about them, since that's the one we are closest to) are very discerning. These are the criteria:
Solar Exaltation only visits itself upon people who
meet three criteria.
First, the individual must be in some way excep-
tional. Many Solars were world-class experts in their
field, even before Exaltation, but skill and prowess are
not the only measures by which the Chosen of the
Sun may gain divine notice. Extraordinary courage,
compassion, nerve, or willpower are also all common
features which are likely to draw the Exaltation to an
individual.
Second, the individual must be purely and entire-
ly human. If the blood of shapeshifters or faeries runs
through their veins, if they've partaken of vampire blood,
if they've Awakened to the mutable nature of reality, then

Exaltation will pass by without descending upon them.
Third, and perhaps most interesting, they must
have encountered the supernatural world at some
point in their lives and recognized it as such. History
stands on the brink of collapse; there is no time for
the Exalted to fritter about in ignorance of their mis-
sion or their enemies. And so the Solar Exalted are
drawn exclusively from the ranks of those who have
heard the otherworldly voices behind the locked door
in their landlord's house; who have been hunted by
bloodthirsty wolf-men; who have felt a vampire's fangs
in their neck and lived to tell the story. In point of
fact, it's relatively common for Solar Exaltation to take
place in the middle of an assault by some manner of
supernatural creature.
Inner Devils Unchained definitely counts, and even lingering effects ( @DragonParadox what are the lingering effects if we take back the blessing?), such as CoD status probably bar you from exalting as a solar in this latter age.
 
ExvsWoD solar exaltations (I was talking primarily about them, since that's the one we are closest to) are very discerning. These are the criteria:

Inner Devils Unchained definitely counts, and even lingering effects ( @DragonParadox what are the lingering effects if we take back the blessing?), such as CoD status probably bar you from exalting as a solar in this latter age.

If you take black the blessing they are as they were before, when a charm says it does a thing that is a thing that will be happening. That is one of the defining traits of Exalted 'magic' as opposed to later day, far fewer edge cases.
 
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