I know don't worry. The bit about her (potentially) having few guests is not me forgetting she has a large family.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I know don't worry. The bit about her (potentially) having few guests is not me forgetting she has a large family.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
The mechanics involved with the familiar pigeon idea were stated to be plausible by DP. Your definitely more concerned about the White Council's agenda than I am. I don't remember them doing anything for us as a faction either. Just a bunch of talk in thread about how we can help pull their ass out of the fire. Even if we did get on their bad side to the point where they cut ties we wouldn't be loosing any assets.
By the same reasoning both Blackstaff (both the artifact and the position) and Gatekeeper are obvious points of failure / subversion. Splendors are materialized ancient sorcery, congealed exalted magic. Basically - you are wrong. Or the setting doesn't work.
If your point of subversion are seven senior council members, and you consider this an unacceptable weakness, well, then it's time to disband senior council.
One, techbane is not personalized. How old a person is doesn't matter in what technology is considered new. It's "post WW2 stuff" basically. With digital stuff being the most vulnerable.
X-rays, possibly ultrasound are ok. MRI isn't. CT isn't.
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[x] Write in - Tell the relevant bits without detail she doesn't need. A volcano sized bomb was left with a nasty tripwire that needs to be disarmed. They tore a powerful spirit in half to put it in endless torture as part of some scheme and then just left it there when it didn't give them what they wanted.
[x] Write in - Tell the relevant bits without detail she doesn't need. A volcano sized bomb was left with a nasty tripwire that needs to be disarmed. They tore a powerful spirit in half to put it in endless torture as part of some scheme and then just left it there when it didn't give them what they wanted.
I trust Murphy, but I'd prefer to minimize the risk of accidentally revealing something genuinly mind-breaking.
I trust Murphy, but I'd prefer to minimize the risk of accidentally revealing something genuinly mind-breaking.
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[X] Tell her everything
[X] Write in - Tell the relevant bits without detail she doesn't need. A volcano sized bomb was left with a nasty tripwire that needs to be disarmed. They tore a powerful spirit in half to put it in endless torture as part of some scheme and then just left it there when it didn't give them what they wanted.
Murphy always strikes me as a person of practical concerns also there's no real reason to tell her more than this that I can think of it doesn't benefit her or any else other than name dropping the Fallen Angels and Demonreach there is really nothing else to say about the situation.
Murphy always strikes me as a person of practical concerns also there's no real reason to tell her more than this that I can think of it doesn't benefit her or any else other than name dropping the Fallen Angels and Demonreach there is really nothing else to say about the situation.
Haven't had time to dig around in the books, but the citation from the wiki sounds right, something around the context for that conversation with Lucio. Who is listed along with Carlos as being supporters of it.
I imagine that they've picked up modern tricks, but it seems unlikely that the economic warfare stays confined to that sort of tactic. In any case from the position of being baked into the infrastructure like they probably should be is different than attacking as say a hedge fund manager.
That's not what it does though; there's precisely nothing stopping anyone from breaking the laws except their conscience and the threat of retribution right now. A significant fraction of new warlocks don't even know enough to be afraid of the latter either.
I mean Molly didn't even know that there were laws of magic when she lived close enough to the supernatural to have the names of Denarians memorized. Part of that was Charity's trauma, but I doubt she liked having the conversation about murderous fallen angels trapped in loose change either.
What that protection does is make it possible to stop. Without it you could sin once and become a sinner forever unless you're very lucky.
What do you think about Empathic Healing for this?
It's emotionally charged mind healing that can hit severe mental trauma, including things as blatantly supernatural as Harano at the top level.
Given the mechanics of the healing it seems like this would actually benefit from the home mind spirit thing where the familiar system would suffer. The spirits suck up the corruption, which is something that's normally completely inapplicable to them in the first place so I'd argue they should at least resist it if they can't basically shrug it off on the spot. If it's effected at all it gets weighed against a massively larger pigeon mind.
Maybe in combination with conditional magic as a flaw and merit?
To boost their mental healing with as much power as "can only use their power to restore warlocks" or something like that can buy.
If it wasn't enough to permanently remove the problem could petting the psychic hell-birds serve as a sort of magical Prozac?
In combination with a Splendor to make sure the 'mental tumor' does not just grow back that would work, though it would be time consuming and difficult to handle.
I know this is all very tricky, but world-building wise there has to be a reason why no one has fixed this yet in all the years the White Council and its precursor existed. This is the kind of problem even a Solaroid has to put time and effort into. They make the hard easy and the impossible possible.
On further thought, please explain the reasoning to me. Because I don't follow. White Council doesn't do restorative justice, as far as I know. The practice of executing anyone breaking the Law is a combination of retributive justice and deterrence. The well-being of the criminal themselves is either not considered at all, or only considered after all other factors.
Your proposal is a way to circumvent the Laws, and I would think council would have a much worse reaction to it than to my proposals.
Not to mention how prevention is always better and easier than treatment.
I had some time to look those up:
Turn Coatm chapter 7:
Paranet can call on wardens. It's not made clear if it's through Dresden only, or not, but, given the spread of the organization, that's unlikely.
But that's the only quote I am able to find.
This is kind of on topic kind of off topic but does anyone have any rules reasons why Mages cannot give themselves more Health levels while staying human sized? Other than pattern bleed and permanent paradox. I've been going over the rules and it seems like a Virtual Adept could just set their health to 300% they will need to follow the rules of spell duration or maybe the health levels will be more expensive success wise depending on what kind of Health level (bruised, wounded, mauled) it is but there's no actual restriction that I can find though I am using Mage 20th so maybe there's an earlier Edition where that's more clearly delineated.
There is a technocratic background called skeletal enhancement that increases a technological or modern biological Mages Health levels so there is precedent but I don't know. As Mages can use Life 3 and / or Prime 2 to make themselves and other beings resistant to aggravated damage and radically transform themselves while staying fundamentally human at Life 3 it's just something that's wormed its way into my mind.
Obviously you'd be insanely paradoxical to walk around with a bunch of free breathing bullet holes and the unbelief would wear away the spell insanely quickly but I'm seeing nothing that prevents the casting of the spell in the first place.
There is a technocratic background called skeletal enhancement that increases a technological or modern biological Mages Health levels so there is precedent but I don't know. As Mages can use Life 3 and / or Prime 2 to make themselves and other beings resistant to aggravated damage and radically transform themselves while staying fundamentally human at Life 3 it's just something that's wormed its way into my mind.
Obviously you'd be insanely paradoxical to walk around with a bunch of free breathing bullet holes and the unbelief would wear away the spell insanely quickly but I'm seeing nothing that prevents the casting of the spell in the first place.
I think that anything the Technocracy can do the Traditions should be able to as well, but if I were to guess a reason for why there isn't a standard loadout for that is White Wolf does not want mage players to have that fall back, it makes combat safer and the point is mage is to emphasize that for all your power you too are human.
Yeah I do get that. World of Darkness games are games of Intrigue and danger being able to make more Health levels kind of negates that a little bit but I was kind of expecting there to be like a rule or anything else saying you couldn't give yourself more Health levels but instead I find backgrounds that do indeed do that.
On the all to human front that's what pattern bleed and permanent Paradox are for generally. At least until you get to Life five and then can just completely rewrite your pattern but you still get permanent Paradox for having things over the human Max at that point as well. Though that's what starts a mage being pushed out of reality whether that be living in too many years for Mortal men or just having too much durability and strength for a person you just rack up permanent Paradox until you can't exist on the inside of reality anymore without the potential of exploding.
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[X] Tell her everything
Would the splendor for this be different than the one already being discussed for deleting the corruption directly?
Fair enough on it being difficult but I'd like to point out that spirits with this particular type of mental power don't exactly grow on trees, and the ones that do exist aren't necessarily easy to trust. Mortals certainly can't do it alone because it requires the healer to perform mind magic. High level mind magic too, so they need a lot of practice they probably can't acquire without going crazy.
Seems like it even alone it should at least do better than red venom.
If you are a wizard you do not necessarily have to trust the spirit, just your skill at binding. Harry's first interaction with Toot Toot comes to mind and Harry's something of a soft touch in that regard. If this were even somewhat doable in canon with the resources they have it would be an open secret, more to the point Ebeneezer would have done it for Harry. He still struggles with it, not as much as some but he does.
I don't think Toot Toot and random demons would cut it. Something like a whampire's hunger has the portfolio, but not the skill until you're at serious business elder level of brain bending. Mab's threat to pull out Thomas's demon to make him the winter knight implies to me that she can do some serious soul surgery, but even if that's something other powerful fey can do most of them do not understand the intricacies of the human mind well enough to put one back together correctly even if you could get one to swear strong enough oaths to trust them.
The most practical option I see for this absent handcrafted spirit healers is to find a seriously powerful sorcerer who's managed to develop their abilities in the shadow of at least two laws of magic without crossing either who's willing to cross the line to restore one patient. At which point they go nuts and can't be trusted to use their powers on anyone ever again.
Even for a senior council member that's not exactly an easy ask. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see something like a short story of such a sorcerer sacrificing themselves to heal their recently awakened kid after some sort of tragic magical accident or reckless use of power. I'm not aware of anything like that, but it'd fit the style of the setting.
Arc 13 Interlude 7: Tripping Rocks
Tripping Rocks
13th of February 2007 A.D.
A pile of papers spilled out onto the desk, schematics of wards not-quite-complete filling every page, the script in English, in Old Norse and everything between, a puzzle revealed more in what it is not than in what it is. The random incursions of people stumbling on Gard's privacy did not help someone spy on her, not were they planted in the hopes of one of them dying when intercepted and then pinning the murder on her, which had been your first thought for how someone subtle would take her off the field. Force Gard to not show her face and burn her identity. Then you spot it out of the corner of your eye, the pattern made clear. "Oh, of all the darned... and me being able to grow wings too, what do all the trouble spots have in common?"
"What?" she is very professional of course, but you couldn't shake the sense that she's 'giving you' this one, the chance to exposit at leisure. To be fair you do like to exposit.
"No heavy cover, I know A3 and H7 are marked forested, but those are the most recent events January 27th and February the 2nd, leaves are gone. Plenty of room to see."
"Didn't you ask the birds?" she asks with growing interest. "If there were any interlopers on their territory."
"Their territory only goes up so far..." You laugh darkly. "Spy plane or satellite, someone's trying to build a model of your warding schema from on high, very high indeed. So new question, which branch of the US government would be interested enough in your defenses that they would risk poking you like that?"
"One hopes none..." She shook her head which given the whole golden tresses thing she had going on looked distractedly like a shampoo commercial, but now is not the time to make that comment. "If it's the same idiots who decided to arrest Dresden in the summer I will be having some words with the people who should be holding their leash."
"The director of the FBI?" you ask innocently. "No, seriously this is much too subtle for them. Someone is willing to take months of preparation, works to case your house like it's Fort Knox. I'm not expecting a detailed answer, but in general terms is there anything in here that would be worth the effort or the risk of?"
"Just me, the cats..." On cue a large orange tabby much too rotund to be pulling any chariots buts his way into the room. "And the rabbits out back."
"Well it's probably not the bunnies or the kitty-cats, that just leaves..." you trail off letting her pick up the obvious answer to all this surveillance.
"An assassination attempt, someone is trying to get to me when I am away from my allies, which means they either are planning to make use of mortals to get past my threshold or they have something strong enough that it can just bowl through once the runewards are down. This place had a strong threshold when I got it in '71, but it has been a generation and more besides."
"How do you think they would react if you decided to move..." Realizing what her instant reaction would be at the idea of fleeing hearth and home at nothing more than a few unfriendly looks you raise a hand. "Not actually move, pretend, talk to some real estate agents, hammer a for sale. If you are under observation even loose observation whoever is doing this is bound to get at least a bit angry. Angry people make mistakes."
OOC: This is a pretty complex thread with Gard, but the only reason you are seeing this much of it on screen instead of being rolled and then told to you by the clones is that we are having so many tight votes and I want to give you guys the time to decide.
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