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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Fixed, thanks for the help with these as always.
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Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
Wouldn't Merlin have been using the Ways though? I get how the mortal world was unaware of the America's for so long but it doesn't make much sense for the supernaturally affiliated when they technically have had the means of getting virtually anywhere on accident or otherwise for as long as the NeverNever was a thing. Even before they became a global institution you'd expect them to have ran into every continent and its people at some point even if they weren't intending to.
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@DragonParadox is Molly aware which specific island the Nameless Place is? Ie does she know where it's located?
Maybe, though it should be noted that the Ways do not track to physical geography and they work best when you know what you are looking for. How would you find Lake Michigan if you do not know Lake Michigan is out there? Either by stumbling into it, or by backtracking someone who stumbled in from over there, neither of which are reliable to say the least.
No. She knows it's on the lake, that is all.
It shouldn't be hard to find; it has an anti-mortal field but not an anti supernatural one and it's a font of evil power strong enough to be the source of its own leyline.
Edit: which is why Harry went to it in the first place. He asked himself what places nearby probably had a scary powerful spirit and the place immediately sprung to mind because the runoff is that nasty.
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Demonreach is not archeotech. The Merlin lived less than 5 normal wizard lifetimes ago. There are people alive who remember his feats because they were there to see them; Mab dated him, Odin trained him, King Corb met him, and Rashid the Gatekeeper was apparently either a contemporary, or running around BEFORE him.
The concept of a prison isnt even unique in the canon setting.
The Sleeper is a pseudo-Lovecraftian Old One imprisoned/sleeping under the Pacific, and one of his cults trying to raise him was the subject of the short story Cold Case. There's a shoggoth sealed somewhere in Iowa as well under a house's cellar, with a bunch of mortal Venatori guarding it, and the Red Court trying to break it out was the subject of the graphic novel War Cry.
Thats just the local area that we know of in the US.
If it was as automated as you think, it would not need a Warden to properly defend itself.
Such a soldier would if those were standard issue.
The crew in a nuke-capable plane has to know how to both activate and deactivate the nuclear weapon; thats why nukes dropped by mistake dont detonate, because the pilot/weapons officer didnt activate them.
Of course he would.
Just like the White Council enforce the Laws against your murdering one person but give the Blackstaff a pass on causing mass murder on the 3- to 5-digit scale because he found it necessary.
Just like the US government reserves the right to assassinate you even while calling someone else doing it murder.
Governments do not operate on the same rules as the rest of us yobs.
COMMENTARY
-Capital letters for the architect of this prison? Since when did Merlin become a god?
-Harry is being silly. He himself literally travels from Chicago to Edinburgh by the Ways in less than an hour. So do other wizards of his acquaintance. Why would the literally legendary Merlin, who is known to have had dealings with the Fae, have any trouble making it to Chicago back in the day?
-Forthill is in Michael's confidence.
If we told him, he's going to tell Forthill, if for no other reason than the fact that the Church and the man's family might get closure about what happened to Father Murphy a century and half ago.
Im not really seeing a need to edit this.
As long as we dont mention the Crown, I think we can, and should, share the entirety of what we know.
Its not a tenuous connection.
Harry Dresden is regional commander for the Western US, and he lives in Chicago. Meaning that the island is in his jurisdictional space, and the leyline from it runs through the local area. Dresden is also the latest in line of students descended from THE Merlin himself.
It just seems strange that something like this would be fuzzy.
I could go out and use a scene with Lash as a focus to find out what her clone-parent Lasciel knows about it.
I just dont want to wave our Crown near a Fallen and risk alerting them of its existence.
They might suspect right now, but they dont know.
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The capital M isn't for divinity, it's to show that it reminded Molly of the answer to the riddle which was a Roman, and thus capital M
- Location
- Right Where I Am
Love thy neighbor and all that.Good night guys, see you in the morning as Molly and Co try to help out a depressed fire monster from the dawn of time.
VOTE
[X] Tell the whole truth, complex and ocasionally terrifying as it may be
-[X]Use Excellency + All Things Betray
RATIONALE
Michael trusts Father Forthill. Charity does as well.
I think Molly does. Enough that she's shown him her anima of eyes in private. Enough that she's taken him to interview the Ants she captured, and to bring him to Last Station.
Im not really seeing any particular reason to hide any detail from him.
Maybe the existence of the Crown; I dont remember if we mentioned it to him after Molly first Exalted.
But the rest of the interview? Should be fine, especially since its something the volcano is willing to talk about.
Also, Father Murphy KNEW what Demonreach is.That means there's a part of the Catholic Church that knows what Demonreach is, and potentially where precisely it is. Good odds that Father Forthill does, or someone in his chain of command; he is Ordo Malleus, a former vampire hunter, and trusted to handle Coins as the local Knight liaison.
He could save us a significant amount of effort.
[X] Tell the whole truth, complex and ocasionally terrifying as it may be
-[X]Use Excellency + All Things Betray
RATIONALE
Michael trusts Father Forthill. Charity does as well.
I think Molly does. Enough that she's shown him her anima of eyes in private. Enough that she's taken him to interview the Ants she captured, and to bring him to Last Station.
Im not really seeing any particular reason to hide any detail from him.
Maybe the existence of the Crown; I dont remember if we mentioned it to him after Molly first Exalted.
But the rest of the interview? Should be fine, especially since its something the volcano is willing to talk about.
Also, Father Murphy KNEW what Demonreach is.That means there's a part of the Catholic Church that knows what Demonreach is, and potentially where precisely it is. Good odds that Father Forthill does, or someone in his chain of command; he is Ordo Malleus, a former vampire hunter, and trusted to handle Coins as the local Knight liaison.
He could save us a significant amount of effort.
Are you going with Columbus, or the Vikings?
[X] Need To Know
-[X] Tell him some of the truth (Charima+Subterfuge DC 6 opposed roll)
--[X] Just say you need information about a Denarian incursion into the city in 1871
--[X] Explain that you need it to give peace to a restless spirt
--[X] Use the Crown on the scene : What does the Catholic church know of the nameless island?
The Church is literally full of spies both as a mortal auspice and Forthill literally reporting to the Vatican. There's really no need to tell him anything beyond what he needs to know.
Hopefully this use of a question of a scene will be more effective because we're inside of a Catholic Church talking to a Catholic priest who is reporting to superiors back in the Vatican and asking what a Church knows while inside of one of their churches seems like it makes sense.
-[X] Tell him some of the truth (Charima+Subterfuge DC 6 opposed roll)
--[X] Just say you need information about a Denarian incursion into the city in 1871
--[X] Explain that you need it to give peace to a restless spirt
--[X] Use the Crown on the scene : What does the Catholic church know of the nameless island?
The Church is literally full of spies both as a mortal auspice and Forthill literally reporting to the Vatican. There's really no need to tell him anything beyond what he needs to know.
Hopefully this use of a question of a scene will be more effective because we're inside of a Catholic Church talking to a Catholic priest who is reporting to superiors back in the Vatican and asking what a Church knows while inside of one of their churches seems like it makes sense.
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Go back and read Arc 1 Post 30 and 31.
We trust Forthill enough to tell him about things like the surprise negator function of Molly's anima and the results of Crown visions; we told him the identity of Thorned Namshiel's bearer after using the Crown to find it.
Just like he trusted us enough to tell us about the Ordo Malleus, which is usually secret.
HARRY doesnt know about the Ordo Malleus.
The only thing we havent told him about is the Crown, or taking him to Sanctuary.
Im the person who usually advocates information security.
And I think in this case, he's got Need to Know about this affair.
And it will help, more than it hurts.
Also, he's a priest. Priests dont share everything they are told unless its necessary.
Something becoming archeotech doesn't even require one generation, much less five.
And yet Blackstaff doesn't teach how to murder using magic. No, this doesn't follow.
[X] Plan localities
-[X] Tell the whole truth, complex and ocasionally terrifying as it may be
--[X]Use Empathy Excellency + All Things Betray
-[X] Ask your local contacts what they know of the Nameless Place, starting with its location
--[X] Porter - he has been here long enough to probably know something at least
--[X] Tiffany - a local magical jail is information she would be equipped with, if only to prevent Harry from tripping into it
--[X] Lydia - Arawn probably knows something, and might have left notes on it
---[X] Use Akashic Root Methodology on her her library
-[X] If we are able to obtain the location of the Nameless Place, have Clippy obtain a photo of it (aerial or satellite survey photos should be available)
--[X] Use the photo as a focus for the crown question: "what are the rules this place operates on, in regards to acquisition, incarceration, and release of its prisoners?"
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Plan localities
-[X] Tell the whole truth, complex and ocasionally terrifying as it may be
--[X]Use Empathy Excellency + All Things Betray
-[X] Ask your local contacts what they know of the Nameless Place, starting with its location
--[X] Porter - he has been here long enough to probably know something at least
--[X] Tiffany - a local magical jail is information she would be equipped with, if only to prevent Harry from tripping into it
--[X] Lydia - Arawn probably knows something, and might have left notes on it
---[X] Use Akashic Root Methodology on her her library
-[X] If we are able to obtain the location of the Nameless Place, have Clippy obtain a photo of it (aerial or satellite survey photos should be available)
--[X] Use the photo as a focus for the crown question: "what are the rules this place operates on, in regards to acquisition, incarceration, and release of its prisoners?"
-[X] Tell the whole truth, complex and ocasionally terrifying as it may be
--[X]Use Empathy Excellency + All Things Betray
-[X] Ask your local contacts what they know of the Nameless Place, starting with its location
--[X] Porter - he has been here long enough to probably know something at least
--[X] Tiffany - a local magical jail is information she would be equipped with, if only to prevent Harry from tripping into it
--[X] Lydia - Arawn probably knows something, and might have left notes on it
---[X] Use Akashic Root Methodology on her her library
-[X] If we are able to obtain the location of the Nameless Place, have Clippy obtain a photo of it (aerial or satellite survey photos should be available)
--[X] Use the photo as a focus for the crown question: "what are the rules this place operates on, in regards to acquisition, incarceration, and release of its prisoners?"
Given as the man's teachers and some of his peers are literally still walking around?
No, it isnt archeotech.
How to murder using magic is literally part of the standard wizard curriculum.
Anything that will kill a vampire will massively overkill a human. The same bloodline ritual that was aimed at murdering Dresden and his grandfather wiped out the Red Court.
As for the Blackstaff in particular, who do you think taught Dresden to throw fireballs, lightning bolts and the like?
Or staff fighting? Dresden didnt spend two years on McCoy's farm just tossing hay.
Who do you think helped Dresden make his first staff or blasting rod?
We literally have a Warden camp for young wizards to be coming to Chicago, with the basic aim to teach them how to kill better.
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I know this is probably not your intent but it does come off as insanely facetious and kind of dishonest when you almost certainly have to know that Yog means how to kill without being turned into a warlock.
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Canon is that it uses a SEP field instead of invisibility. It's in clear view but mortals ignore its existence to the point that it's not on any maps and people unconsciously sail around it without noticing the differences in travel time.
Good night guys.
I am reasonably sure it doesnt show up.
Even the maps were destroyed.
There is no such thing.
Becoming the Blackstaff has one qualification: Inherit the Blackstaff.
As far as we know, and as far as Butcher has explained, there is no special training involved. Its a choice, as far as we know, either by the previous Blackstaff or the Senior Council. Who makes the choice is unclear.
The Blackstaff itself is an artifact of the Fae. General belief is that its Mother Winter's missing walking stick.
Ethniu the Titan recognized it as a major artifact.
I'm aware that there's no way for that to happen. That is when you say there is no way for him to teach that it requires the black staff. Not to go into the training Regiment of the white Council recruits. Though it comes off as even more of a falsehood when Dragon Paradox is already answered the question the white Council knows exactly nothing be on the function of demon reach and that's almost certainly on purpose.
The white Council as an organization has maybe some notes about demon reach but know exactly nothing about how it was made or why it functions as it does.
Interesting piece of lore about Demonreach:
However scary you thought Rashid was double it, cause that's nuts.
Remember this is the power level we're talking about here:
It's all been mentioned before, but it's worth restating that a half dozen Naagoloshi are nothing to this guy or the more than 6,000 other things on ice when considering how absurd it is that Rashid left it with a permanent limp.
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However scary you thought Rashid was double it, cause that's nuts.
Remember this is the power level we're talking about here:
It's all been mentioned before, but it's worth restating that a half dozen Naagoloshi are nothing to this guy or the more than 6,000 other things on ice when considering how absurd it is that Rashid left it with a permanent limp.
1) No, the point is made that there is no special murder magic.
Even when we see Dresden fighting creatures as diverse as Chinese demons, and Outsiders, he uses the same magics.
The same magic that will kill anything else will overkill most mortals.
Because remember: The Blackstaff is allowed to kill mortals if necessary.
But he doesnt need magic to kill mortals the vast majority of the time. I mean, mortals.
When they die, its usually as collateral. Like in Honduras.
2) The followup convo with BronzeTongue suggests that you are misreading that.
3) We explicitly know that the Senior Council canonically know about Demonreach, how it works and what its for, and the hazards thereof.
Ebenezar has Merlin's journals. Rashid explicitly warned Harry IC about drawing on the leyline for power. And Butcher told us that one of the reasons for the early Kemmler manhunts was because the White Council was trying to prevent him getting back to the island and freeing the inmates. Or trying to.
Citations:
Turn Coat c40 Rashid v Dresden said:
Turn Coat c47 said:
Thats why I voted to ask the Crown questions I did.Butcher Interview transcript said:Priscellie: Who was the warden of Demonreach before Harry?
Jim: Lemme think, I know who it is, and who the guy before that was, but the guy before /that/ was Kemmler so...
Priscellie: Oh god. *laughs*
Jim: Yeah, I mean, half of that entire thing was just the white council trying to keep Kemmler from getting back to the island and opening it up. Which is why they had him being hounded by the wardens all through the wild west and so on. It was to stop him from being able to set things up even more. Kemmler is sort of in the Dresden Files universe he's sort of the Dresden Files version of WWI where it was actually the biggest most epic most incredible conflict the world has ever known but we're all used to seeing WWII because they got some of it on film but we didn't get nearly as much of the great war on film but when you actually go and study it and study all the troop numbers and resources involved WWI was really the great war and WWII was kind of a follow-up. A softer echo in many ways.
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Source:
Barbara's Bookstore Q&A transcript
Since this Q&A answers a lot of questions I figured I might as well post it here too. Question marks near words that aren't questions means that...old.reddit.com
The QM has apparently chosen to alter things, as is their prerogative, but that isnt how it worked in canon
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