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“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest

Would you Distort or manifest EGO?

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We'll probably find out once we engage with her.

I highly doubt we would be able to one-shot her though.

Mainly because even if she's not Whitenight or Apocalypse Bird, she's still a monstrous and powerful ALEPH.
 
I was honestly having the false hope that is how many awful thing the Adult has done that we could just go "proper punishment is death". Though yes it is rather far fetched.
On the other hand, leaving Mami alone with someone with mind control seems like an awful idea, and leaving Homura to deal with AWTL by herself seems like an even worse idea. As we currently are, hopefully we can survive for a little while, and we do have the means to hurt AWTL.

[X] Plan: A Split Up!
This seems like the best bet for the moment.

Just wondering, because I don't think anything like this has occurred, would EGO wielders that are human (Gebura, Xiao, Angela, ect.) be able to give out EGO gifts? That might be interesting, who knows maybe the Patron Librarian brooch gemstone (what would those even be called?) things are that. Just a random thought I had with the EGO's popping up.
 
Shadowlord1003 said:
Just wondering, because I don't think anything like this has occurred, would EGO wielders that are human (Gebura, Xiao, Angela, ect.) be able to give out EGO gifts? That might be interesting, who knows maybe the Patron Librarian brooch gemstone (what would those even be called?) things are that. Just a random thought I had with the EGO's popping up.
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The Librarians are technically not normal humans.

They are constructs built by Angela's Library. So more similar to the Puppeteer's Puppets (but with more freewill, sass, asses, and style).
 
Lepidoptera said:
"No," she agreed, and the Abnormality's smile grew wider and sharper. "my only priority is to keep Madoka safe. Nothing else matters."

"Excellent! We have a deal, then?" The Adult Who Tells Lies extended an open hand down to where Homura stood, still perched over Madoka's body. The light caught unnaturally on the gloomy crystals that sheathed its skin, making the shadows trapped inside dance in bizarre patterns.

Homura reached out in turn. Then, at the last moment, her wrist twisted and she flicked a grenade towards the Abnormality's face.
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Lmao that's such a Homura way to go about it. Just flatly refuse and shoot the temptation in the face with no fanfare, like Mami did earlier? No way! If it's worth doing, it's worth doing in the most dramatic way possible. I love it.

By the way, apparently our version of KoD's blessing is cheat. It doesn't make the wielder go crazy when the blessing's recipient dies.

[X] plan: gogogo!
 
questioningmeme said:
The Librarians are technically not normal humans.

They are constructs built by Angela's Library. So more similar to the Puppeteer's Puppets (but with more freewill, sass, asses, and style).
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For all intents and purposes, at least inside of the Library, they are human, as far as I understand it the only difference between them and LC versions is the body. I am also coming to the realization that this is probably a question that no one has asked before, as apparently no one knows. What would Angela's, Xiao's, and Gebura's EGO gift even look like if its possible? If we ever run into Lowell again, maybe there will be an answer.
 
Shadowlord1003 said:
For all intents and purposes, at least inside of the Library, they are human
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They are not.

For all intents and purposes, inside the Library, they are immortals who can be 'equipped' with a people's lifetime of knowledge on the whim of the director.

When dealing with things such as E.G.Os the differences in the body should be noted.

They aren't separate from the E.G.O enough to reliably deduce what part of their body is the Library and what is a Gift meant to be separate from it.

E.G.O gifts are an attribute of Abnormality's immortal existence that was taken from it in separation. You can see this through Nothing There's manifestations in the Inquisitors.

If they are 'pieces' of the Abnormality shown so far in both Limbus, Library, and Lobotomy, then it should stand to reason that a 'powerful' E.G.O user can also bestow upon humans gifts.

Any E.G.O capable of creating things outside of the intended form should be capable of giving gifts.

So for example, Wolf Cliff (E.G.O or Distortion) might be able to give you a link from his chains.
 
questioningmeme said:
If they are 'pieces' of the Abnormality shown so far in both Limbus, Library, and Lobotomy, then it should stand to reason that a 'powerful' E.G.O user can also bestow upon humans gifts.

Any E.G.O capable of creating things outside of the intended form should be capable of giving gifts.

So for example, Wolf Cliff (E.G.O or Distortion) might be able to give you a link from his chains.
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Maybe? I feel like if that were the case, then Kali would've done something with it in the time she was using her E.G.O. gear. Likewise, while there are Distortions who can create items or apply special effects to people, none of them properly have the ability to create a "Gift" as we understand it. Distortions and E.G.O. are both very personal, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for it to be impossible for another person to gain a piece of that. Then again, some people make marks on other people in their life in the same way strong ideas do.
 
Lepidoptera said:
Maybe? I feel like if that were the case, then Kali would've done something with it in the time she was using her E.G.O. gear. Likewise, while there are Distortions who can create items or apply special effects to people, none of them properly have the ability to create a "Gift" as we understand it. Distortions and E.G.O. are both very personal, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for it to be impossible for another person to gain a piece of that. Then again, some people make marks on other people in their life in the same way strong ideas do.
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I suppose it's a difficult thing to even observe.

We don't exactly have a large sample size of Distortions/E.G.Oist interacting with normal people outside of combat scenario.

And the interactions that we do have aren't intend on researching this area of E.G.Os.

Or atleast, we aren't made privy to that specific part of E.G.O/Distortion/Light interaction during Carmen's time.

If there's anyone who has all the details, it'd be Angela.

I imagine the old team did some research with Gebura regarding the whole 'E.G.O gift' aspect before deciding to pursue other avenues.

Or Gebura herself glares at them whenever any (A or B or any other nameless scientists) suggested even the possibility of testing her in that way.
 
Trexfromants said:
@Nyarky
Won't Sayaka and Kyoko without an ability to manifest EGO be just a ballast?
destroyable, very easy-to-destroyable ballast
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Why does anyone treats them as if they couldn't do it?

The update isn't saying they can't, it says they'll have to work on it, no better motivation than a very dead Madoka right in front of them.

I am working under the assumption that X isn't braindead and will ask them to manifest before, that way if they really can't they simply don't come, meaning they can be a ballast from far away.

If they can't manifest, they'll be a ballast no matter what, this is a all hands on deck situation.
 
Shadowlord1003 said:
Probably yes. I would imagine that for a person giving someone a piece of your self is a very personal thing and probably wouldn't happen very often for several reasons.
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I think we will have to wait for Lowell and Xiao.

Maybe Philip if that incomplete book theory make it through.

As I said, the sample size is smalllll and the environment is...unideal...to test it on.

We have seen a lot of example on E.G.O/Distortion helping another through buffs.

But a gift is something special.

Which is funny, because technically we do have an example of what could be an E.G.O gift (had it been an actual E.G.O of ciurse).

Dante's ticking noises when the Sinners go through the wringler is basically the equivalent of a Prudence boosting Gift.
 
questioningmeme said:
I think we will have to wait for Lowell and Xiao.

Maybe Philip if that incomplete book theory make it through.

As I said, the sample size is smalllll and the environment is...unideal...to test it on.
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True enough I suppose. Though there is the chance that if we (or more like when really) run into Roland he might have one. Given that Roland is pretty much Angela's best friend. Though given Angela's personality this seems rather unlikely to be something that she would be comfortable with in such a time frame.
 
[X] Plan: A Split Up!

I think X going first is a fast enough response to answer the Adult. Sayaka and Kyoko may not be in the best condition to participate in a head-on fight with the Adult even if they successfully remanifest E.G.O. An Argalia escort will hopefully let them take a breather while linking up with Mami and then the whole gang can come in guns blazing.
 
Suleverf said:
I think X going first is a fast enough response to answer the Adult. Sayaka and Kyoko may not be in the best condition to participate in a head-on fight with the Adult even if they successfully remanifest E.G.O. An Argalia escort will hopefully let them take a breather while linking up with Mami and then the whole gang can come in guns blazing.
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I'm not sure Madoka agrees on the response being fast enough.

Or Homura for that matter, I want to repoint out:
Lepidoptera said:
Rewinding became more expensive the further back she went, and Homura didn't have enough time left to reach back to before Madoka was captured. She would only have a few attempts. If she didn't succeed, Madoka's pain would be for nothing.
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The clock is ticking.
 
Nyarky said:
I'm not sure Madoka agrees on the response being fast enough.
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I'm pretty sure Madoka isn't in the position to really agree on anything.

And even if she was, Madoka is definitely the kind of person to put her friend's safety over herself.

Nyarky said:
Or Homura for that matter, I want to repoint out:
The Clock is Ticking.
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No matter how fast we move, the clock will always tick. Whether it's X going all out without the need to worry about our kids, or the group working together but needing to slow down to defend ourselves from the Adult's counter-attacks.

We need to remember that the Adult is far better positioned to deal AOE damage. She's on her turf. She might throw a few Playtime's Over and nuke our kids alongside X if they weren't ready.

X can deal with that, Argalia is a Distorted Color.

But Sayaka and Kyoko? They will need to be ready on the clock.

With Argalia and Leonia it was a challenging fight for X when she was outside of her Emerald City.

Having to take care of both Ashley while Sayaka and Kyoko attempt to fire up their E.G.Os again would be problematic to the point that we might as well be quick about it and gather Mami at the same time to bolster our forces (i.e drop Ashley at somewhere safe, while letting Sayaka and Kyoko figure out firing themselves up) before piling on her after Twilight X forces her cards out.

It's not a bad idea to have X and Homura fight with her so that she'll use up some of her bigger attacks first on X and then have Argalia/Sayaka/Kyoko/Mami enter the fight to pile on her while she's weak.

Ashley is also another weak link.

Where is she gonna be while the fight is going on? If we pick her up at Mami's, Kyubey can drag her out of the Emerald City alongside the rest of the people he's rescuing.

Rushing ahead now means you still need to waste time carrying her away using Leonia before we can engage anyway. Might as well make it worthwhile.
 
I think I'll be closing the vote tomorrow, since there's still some conversation going on about what's the best decision.
 
questioningmeme said:
It's not a bad idea to have X and Homura fight with her so that she'll use up some of her bigger attacks first on X and then have Argalia/Sayaka/Kyoko/Mami enter the fight to pile on her while she's weak.
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Given how the last fight transpired, I think going in with only Homura is suicide, or at least a good way of killing the Homu.

I don't expect it to weaken the Adult, but us, and thus have our *reinforcements* have to deal with an enemy far over their head with us unable to help due to taking too much damages.

questioningmeme said:
Kyubey can drag her out of the Emerald City alongside the rest of the people he's rescuing.
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Do not trust the bunnycat, it will only exploit it then leave you dry.

If we try that, I fully expect it to convince Ashley to come back to help... and I am not sure it would be to help us.

Frankly, if the vote had it as an option, I would have put to ask her to help us in the fight, as is, she can look from the sidelines and maybe realize how wrong she was to trust the Adult.

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questioningmeme said:
Rushing ahead now means you still need to waste time carrying her away using Leonia before we can engage anyway. Might as well make it worthwhile.
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Or... we can leave her here.

She's not really that important.

We can also take her with, stop on the way one sec to deposit her, then continue.

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Out of our entire group, Ashley is probably the one in least danger if left alone, even with her gem in that state.

She is still nominally on the Adult's side, after all.
 
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Nyarky said:
Given how the last fight transpired, I think going in with only Homura is suicide, or at least a good way of killing the Homu.
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Ideally, we would go in with only X so that DoSaM can come out to play without worrying about damage.

Also, the last time Homu tried to fight the Adult solo.

This is exactly what she'll be doing no matter what until X arrives to help her so we can't avoid it no matter what due to how Homura's time stops work.

Hopefully she learned her lesson and will be less suicidal.

Nyarky said:
Do not trust the bunnycat, it will only exploit it then leave you dry.
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Too bad you'll have to trust it regardless.

The citizens he's helping get out of the Emerald City, Mami trusted him to atleast work toward her own goals.

Nyarky said:
If we try that, I fully expect it to convince Ashley to come back to help... and I am not sure it would be to help us.
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You are free to expect Kyubey to be illogical.

Nyarky said:
Frankly, if the vote had it as an option, I would have asked her to help us in the fight, as is, she could look from the sidelines and maybe realize how wrong she was to trust the Adult.
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You are free to drag the near-death magical girl to stay near the ALEPH tier Abnormality that can throw out Mass Attacks spam.

The Write-In Option is right there.

She's weaker than no E.G.O Kyoko and Sayaka who both were out of stamina after exiting their E.G.O states.

Ideally, I want to limit the fight to just X and Argalia only. Maybe just X alone to make it even easier for DoSaM to just bulldoze her.

However, being self-sacrificing to that extent isn't something the kids want, so I'm not gonna settle for anything less than their safety.

Homura can rewind Madoka to just before she explodes, freeze her in time, and then we can have Angela/Chesed look at how to disarm the bomb.

The mental issues/PTSD/Trauma that come from this experience will be dealt with later, with everyone alive and well.

We aren't that short on time. Especially since Leonie is faster than X's teleportation with both Twilight and The Sword Sharpened with Tears.

This time around we just have to hope that Homura is smart enough to not try to fight the Adult Solo.
 
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questioningmeme said:
Ideally, we would go in with only X so that DoSaM can come out to play without worrying about damage.
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I don't know why you are expecting DoSaM to matter, it is pretty clear that she will only come out if we have already lost anyway.

questioningmeme said:
Ideally, I want to limit the fight to just X and Argalia only. Maybe just X alone to make it even easier for DoSaM to just bulldoze her.
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DoSaM is not going to be the solution, if she comes out it means the situation is already far past the breaking point, X really doesn't want to go for it.

But since you reminded me that we could write-in:

@Lepidoptera, can we write-in for X to go at it alone and instantly use DoSaM?

Might as well Alpha strike to the max if we're going to, at least that way it's done.
 
Nyarky said:
@Lepidoptera, can we write-in for X to go at it alone and instantly use DoSaM?
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You could, though expect there to be severe collateral damage from that. There are other people in the Emerald City with you, and the chain of events that made that a reversible course of action isn't going to happen twice.
 
Lepidoptera said:
You could, though expect there to be severe collateral damage from that. There are other people in the Emerald City with you, and the chain of events that made that a reversible course of action isn't going to happen twice.
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Hey, good enough for me, since Meme wants her that much:

[x] Plan: Godzilla treshold.
-[x] Go alone, as the Daughter of the sun and moon.
-[x] Send everyone else to recover Mami, including Homura as soon as you see her.

There, now people can vote for it.

As for me, I will keep the X in but my main choice stays:

[x] plan: gogogo!

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Though, I want to say, this is basically a confirmation of what I was saying about counting on the DoSaM not being a good idea, and making plans around her having the same problem, because everyone is in the blast radius as long as they are in the Emerald city (and maybe even father) if she happens if I am reading the comment correctly.
 
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You know what? I'm in.

[x] Plan: Godzilla treshold.
-[x] Go alone, as the Daughter of the sun and moon.
-[x] Send everyone else to recover Mami, including Homura as soon as you see her.
 
Actually, thinking about it, it may be a really good idea to vote to use the Daughter.

One of X biggest problem is her refusal to even think of this option, to the point she will only get it out when it's far too late and she's already weakened, except, we will never be able to learn more if she stays that way.

We know her rejection is part of why her shell is having problems, we also know she can learn to control her true form enough to use it and return to normal.

There really might be something here....
 
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