It's basically the same as how regular spirits work, and I don't think that sort of benefit is what the splendor mirrors, so I don't think it's that broken.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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BoredMan
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I'd much rather not make our crafting list even longer than it already is considering the limited regents. We've decided to start addressing that ever growing list this turn, if Lydia can get some dogs without us crafting them we really should restrain ourselves at least for now.
Also Lydia did say they didn't necessarily want it for combat purposes.
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[X] The Canwyll Corph of Wales, Tiffany's right, they deserve to change their mind if you can uncover a way for it
Amusingly enough, I actually have a quest on another website, with a bit of dresden files and exalted. It's really convoluted, but anyway. Theion and the Unconquered Sun basically sort of smashed together as Creation died, Creating a weird sort of hybrid that justifies the Dresden files God also being Theion and Sol Invictus at the same time. But yeah, I'm also very heavily in the camp that the Biblical God in this quest is either the Unconquered Sun or Theion.And then He answers Theion.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea. It's a great one, actually. Not one to do this turn, but later? Sure. Tiffany and Molly can forge a new breed of dogs for everyone.
On the update - damn, but I hoped for a better legacy for Arawn. Like, I kinda hoped that something happened, and he had to go to Winter without abandoning / betraying his people. i understood that there had to be some manner of tragedy involved for Arawn to go form a beloved king of his kingdom, with a loving and faithful wife to a free agent with a child born from some other woman. But I hoped that the tragedy was more external, rather than just Arawn's own choices.
So "teenagers ... with magic. And worse, no Masquerade to keep them from doing stupid shit with magic to try to impress eachother"
Pretty much, safe magic if a function of focus. Teenagers are not that focused around each other.
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[X] The Canwyll Corph of Wales, Tiffany's right, they deserve to change their mind if you can uncover a way for it
Awwww yeah sorry Molly but I wanna poke at the Welsh stuff. And hell, the whole point is that Saints aren't actually supposed to be divine(that's why praying to them doesn't count as worship, just asking a human buddy for help); like I'm sure there's people with pet snakes on Ireland
Awwww yeah sorry Molly but I wanna poke at the Welsh stuff. And hell, the whole point is that Saints aren't actually supposed to be divine(that's why praying to them doesn't count as worship, just asking a human buddy for help
); like I'm sure there's people with pet snakes on Ireland
BoredMan
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I don't see a point in getting involved with the Erlking. That sounds like it has a greater chance of spiraling off into violence.
[X] The Canwyll Corph of Wales, Tiffany's right, they deserve to change their mind if you can uncover a way for it
[X] The Canwyll Corph of Wales, Tiffany's right, they deserve to change their mind if you can uncover a way for it
Good to have hard numbers for this quest.
But yeah, this is why I argued so hard for Molly to personally take the Peabody situation in hand.
A single dead experienced wizard takes decades to replace, and has knockon effects in everything from fewer wizards trained to less capability to prevent warlocks springing up.
Peabody managed to kill fifty even as he went down in canon.
Letting them fumble this just creates future problems for us and everyone else.
Only if you've been breaking the Laws.
Magical mercs like Binder have stayed operating more or less openly, taking contracts from the White Court and the Denarians despite Council disapproval because they dont break the rules.
A group of wizards who wanted to stay out would not leave the Council any legitimate room for complaint.
McCoy might gank them though.
Infinite? No. Significant? Almost definitely yes.
Even not counting those who sneak across the Gates?
It doesnt appear to take all that much to summon even a Walker, and Blood Rites demonstrates you dont need to be a wizard-class magic user to do so.
Besides, we canonically see the Walker He Who Walks Behind get banished and return within fifteen years.
And thats just in the Chicago area.
There's got to be something to prevent them systematically hacking away at the training pipeline of the White Council by targeting its apprentices and young wizards.
Just like the healing thing wasnt
1)Wizards die like everyone else, from disease, from accidents, from violence.
Bob's first master Etienne the Enchanter, the guy who made his skull, was burned at the stake in Middle Ages France.
They just recover better from injury that doesnt kill them.
2)Childhood mortality was explicitly a factor. As was infectious disease in general for adults.
Word of Jim:
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3)There is absolutely zero evidence that modern methods of teaching have anything to contribute to the process of teaching a wizard how to wizard. And the wizards in particular, and the supernatural community in general, have more than a thousand years of documented experience in training wizards
(I said the supernatural community, because we know Elaine Mallory, Molly Carpenter, Listens to Wind and the first Merlin all had nonhuman magic tutors)
Dresden, for example, comes from a teaching lineage that stretches back to when Odin taught the Merlin.
Ebenezar McCoy literally wrote the starter textbook for young wizards.
4)Specialization is a function of societies with excess resources.
In a population as small as the global wizard population is supposed to be and as spread out as it is, there isnt the excess population for people to specialize to do nothing but teach.
Nor can you simply abduct some tween or teen from their family to teach them magic; that Hogwarts shit dont fly these days.
Furthermore, there is no such thing as one standardized way of doing magic.
Every wizard is different, and needs to have what they are taught customized to them and their talents. Ramirez's shields work very differently from how Dresden's do, for example, because he wizards different.
And its not like apprenticeship is a dirty word.
Grad students in a lot of programs are essentially apprentices of some professor or the other, and it remains a major way in which a lot of trades are passed on in the modern day.
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Within the context of WoD, that might be different.
DP has already made healing with Life Sphere or Sorcery harder, but it is fundamentally still possible, so Wizards with enough connections to know Life-focus Wizards should have less trouble here.
It's pretty impossible, for example, to make a Shapeshifter-Wizard of Listens To Wind's skill, without also allowing him to heal disease and wounds by Mage.
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[X] Both, all the more likely that Lydia will find some way to bring one back home
I agree with Yog on this one. Approach one source; if that works, fine. If it doesnt, go to the other source.
The Erlking is more or less a sure thing; he's Fae, and the Fae generally cant resist a wager.
Also, he hangs with Odin in his Kris Kringle persona, so he definitely knows whats up. Its implied that the Wild Hunt's actual function is in part to deal with Outsiders inside the walls of Reality, so we have some cred there anyway.
AND he has a history of releasing people from his service; the goblin who created and runs Wanderland in Vegas used to be a member of the Wild Hunt before the Erlking released him abruptly for no reason; just told him it was time for him to go. He's not a warm and cuddly guy, but he's allegedly a mostly honorable one, who still does his job.
The Christian saint is less sure. No idea what the deal is there.
[X] Both, all the more likely that Lydia will find some way to bring one back home
I agree with Yog on this one. Approach one source; if that works, fine. If it doesnt, go to the other source.
The Erlking is more or less a sure thing; he's Fae, and the Fae generally cant resist a wager.
Also, he hangs with Odin in his Kris Kringle persona, so he definitely knows whats up. Its implied that the Wild Hunt's actual function is in part to deal with Outsiders inside the walls of Reality, so we have some cred there anyway.
AND he has a history of releasing people from his service; the goblin who created and runs Wanderland in Vegas used to be a member of the Wild Hunt before the Erlking released him abruptly for no reason; just told him it was time for him to go. He's not a warm and cuddly guy, but he's allegedly a mostly honorable one, who still does his job.
The Christian saint is less sure. No idea what the deal is there.
The rest of post is fine, i think its stupid but i guess its canon. Because perfectly recovering cells and dna will prevent infections from vadt majority of illnesses.
A college is massively better at teaching, preferably with small classes.
This is just wrong, wizardry is just physics with some metaphorical associations and maybe some sympathy based things.
A college is massively better at teaching, preferably with small classes.
That thing with the white court was almost certainly an outsider plot to some degree. They'd love to kill off the wizards, but an army of hundreds of their troops is clearly something that's expensive and difficult to pull off. I don't think they can be a primary justification for the claim you were making.
Some universal merit to reduce a specific threat vector makes a lot less sense than wizards doing wizard things to solve their problems.
There is also the small hole in Butcher's position that is called the Summer Court, one of the major supernatural powers of the setting. If wizards were so terrified of dying of illness they would just align themselves with summer. We know it can be done and we know they have wizards, look at Elaine.
Not to mention regeneration is an incredibly common form of non-human magic and sponsors of all kinds exist, yes wizards do not inherently get healing and it's hard, but it should not cost them too much of their humanity (in RPG terms refresh points) to not worry about mundane illnesses.
Listens to Wind is canonically their best healer bar none, and his onscreen feats appear to cap out at Life 4.
I get the impression the Council just doesnt have many Life Sphere users.
Just like they literally have ONE Divination/Time magic specialist in Chandler.
Maybe Peabody has been systematically killing them off when they were young.
There just arent many of them around.
Summer is Summer. Mercurial, temperamental. Emotional.
Remember when Titania refused to take sides when the Vampire War started? As in, explicit declaration? Or when Elaine Mallory was poisoned in Summer Knight and the Summer Lady was debating whether to heal her?
The historic availability of the Summer Court doesnt necessarily fill one with confidence.
There has to be a reason why Ebenezar didnt do anything else about Dresden's hand after giving him magical painkillers for the first couple days. Even though Dresden was mad at him at the time, if it was quite so straightforward he would have been able to cut a deal.
He didnt.
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BoredMan
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Doesn't matter. It may still have the ripple effect of discouraging other Wizard societies of a similar scale from forming. I don't recall the average talent being aware of the specifics of why they kill people when they do. A consequence of being a secret society is they can't be as transparent as they'd like and there aren't other branches of government that can officially hold them accountable.
As a result they may appear quite violate and unreasonable from the outside to ignorant talents and wizard tier prospects. If some believe that forming a Wizard society of their own will get them on their radar they may not believe it's worth the risk.
It's really not. You can know jack shit about physics and still be a proper wizard. In some ways better than even Harry, since your spells would behave how you expect them to instead of how they should if they were more grounded in the physical world. Wizardry at its core has nothing to do with physics.
Physics is an easy way to achieve certain effects but it also chains you to its limitations. And breaking your own biases would be hard.
The Blakstaff is rather paranoid inherently and does not speak to the position of most wizards throughout history not wanting to die of mystery fever on the way to the next town over. I remember you arguing with me at one point that Summer must have some capacity for rational thought or it would not be able to function at all. The same should be true for lesser summer fey who probably do not want to be too er.. mercurial about beings that can put them in a circle and compel them by Name.
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Yes, physics helps a little with certain magic but it also restricts others. Remember the saying that was even mentioned in part by Von Tier: magic works on the mage's faith/will, not on chemistry, physics or other matter.
Thresholds are literally a universal merit that reduce a specific threat vector to mortals, magic-users or nah. Children are universally protected against soulgazes until they reach age and maturity.
I dont see how this would be any different in the setting.
And with several immortal factions who wish to enslave or wipe out the magi, something limiting threat vectors for baby wizards in this setting seems very much in theme with how things work in th Dresdenverse.
We'll have to disagree on this
Charity knew why they killed people, and she wasnt particularly well-connected outside their cult.
The Wardens are not shy about announcing why they do it.
And like I said, if Armand Tinwhistle/Binder, a hundred and twenty something year old magical merc has stayed in his line of business without running afoul of the Wardens?
I dont really think its an issue.
Unless of course you make McCoy consider you an existential threat to the Council or to wizardkind.
But its not like the Council advertises the existence of the Blackstaff.
Wizardry only pretends to play around with physics for so long.
Then suddenly a medium-sized man transforms into a bear the size of a van, and all conservation of mass-energy considerations go out of the window. Or Dresden conjures up a physical container out of ectoplasm and stabilizes it into solid matter. Or freezes a good chunk of a harbor by "pouring cold energy into it".
I trust the wizards, including the people who go back to university every couple decades to refresh their knowledge of modern advancements, to know better than you or me how to train wizards.
Fair point about McCoy's paranoia.
Still, rational thought doesnt mean they cant be, or arent capricious. Or untrue to their natures; the Fae tend to demand some equivalent service, and how they determine whats appropriate can be....unpredictable.
Lesser summer fey appear to be the ones who would not have the power to automatically heal people.
And Summer is as much about disease as they are about healing; both involve growth, if of different things.
See Mother Summer's storage shelf.
I still remember that some of the major losses of the Council was when they were using the hospital in Central Africa.
That suggests a lack of easy access to supernatural healing resources in story.
On an institutional level.
BoredMan
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Charity is one data point. I'm talking about globally. Armand isn't running a White Council scale operation so I don't see how that supports your argument. In any case I didn't say no one would be willing to I just said that it would probably discourage them which would increase the monopoly the WC has on Wizards.