Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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COMMENTARY
A personal guard this beefy suggests that Mikaboshi really valued whatever Magarac was doing.
Now Im curious.
For once Lydia gets the kill. Hail Arwan's daughter!
Noticing that Joe Magarac didnt ask Molly to cut the chain, he just raised a hand.
Fae *shakes head*
Error.
In Shintai, Molly gets +12 HLs
So that should probably be 23/27, I think.
Nice to see that Mikaboshi's sight is nowhere as acute as it could be.
Now we just need to bail.
- Location
- Brazil
So Yog, do you agree to vote with me for the creation of the Boston God next turn? I've always wanted to do this and it's better that we create our first god there where we are the greatest power instead of bypassing the fairy courts and the white court in our first creation of this scale and type.
But we have to keep in mind that we are creating these gods from scratch and, to avoid the same situation as Creation, we must put together the guidelines of protecting they city and obeying Molly at its core, I don't want to waste time negotiating details with something we created if it ends becoming like the ancient gods of Yu-shan.
For your consideration. @Yog might tweak it if needed:
"You look at your gathered party, preparing for exfiltration, and your gaze rests on Lash for a moment. It's almost poetic, you think, that she's about to do what she already did millenia ago in the exact opposite way. A fallen angel returns from hell to Earth, this time not to steal a soul down there but to bring one up, almost like Christ did before the Ressurection. "We're moving out. Lydia, you're on Gate duty. Tiffany, help her as you can. I'll do my best to hold the City out" you command and with a nod the plan gets put together, a blessing to guide Arwan's daughter from Underworld tp the land of mortals, while you steel your will to oppose Mikaboshi's attempt at causing problems"
Opening a gate to Sanctuary risks telling the Yama King Mikaboshi where it is.
Or giving him an idea about where to start looking.
Lets not risk snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
VOTE
[X] Open Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi may not contest this, but will briefly create a cosmic alignment through which any of the demons of the Wicked City may pass; you may have to defend the gate on the other side until you can close it)
RATIONALE
Calibration's Gate stays open for (caster's Essence) minutes, which atm is 3 minutes.
Lydia's Open The Way stays open for the rest of the scene, which is at least 15 minutes, and could be as long as 30 minutes.
If we use Calibrations Gate, we defend it for a shorter time than if Lydia uses Open The Way.
Also, we dont have to fight Mikaboshi to open it.
And we have the Essence to do it.
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
We're at 8 of 15 Essence and if this succeeding would mean we're out of combat, then can we use the Crown focused on the current scene to ask 'What stuff can I do to boost Lydia's chances of success?'
Kind of similar to what we did when Lydia's dad passed his mantle on.
You have got my vote. Even if i dont vote often.
- Location
- Brazil
[X] Open Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi may not contest this, but will briefly create a cosmic alignment through which any of the demons of the Wicked City may pass; you may have to defend the gate on the other side until you can close it)
Finally, time to use our spell for the first time.
Finally, time to use our spell for the first time.
Definitely not sanctuary, I don't want to give Mikaboshi a vector to Molly's soul.
[X] Open Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi may not contest this, but will briefly create a cosmic alignment through which any of the demons of the Wicked City may pass; you may have to defend the gate on the other side until you can close it)
Following unknowns through a mysterious hole in reality isn't a great idea, even for demons. Something will probably happen, but we can deal with it more easily than any other option.
[X] Open Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi may not contest this, but will briefly create a cosmic alignment through which any of the demons of the Wicked City may pass; you may have to defend the gate on the other side until you can close it)
The turn after the next. The next one we already have our hands full. Like completely full:
Obligations:
School
Getting Rosie new home
Crafting for Archive (might be connected to crafting for ourselves)
Things we need to do:
Handle solar exaltation one way or another
Handle White Council traitors - that's a festering wound
Handle Lydia getting her dog. I rather she didn't just get a mundane dog, and we were told she'll be doing this anyway if we don't go with her. This is a good opportunity to start handling her ancestry and legacy.
The turn after this one, however? Yeah, I'm all for this.
The Dresdenverse is not a higher energy setting than WoD.
The White God and his peeps didnt go out for ciggies here, so there's more adult supervision. WoD had Lucifer and his Archdukes running around on the planet running game against each other.
Raising a house god, a genius loci/guardian spirit of a small location is a legendary crafting, even for an Exalt; we were well north of 25 successes to create Bane.
Raising a new city god of a major city is an epic-tier feat.
It would be an epic-tier feat in Creation, let alone here. Many, if not most cities in WoD already have City Fathers; Mikaboshi for example, notably has the City Father of Tokyo working for him.
This is not empty real estate for us to occupy.
And the precedent implies that spirits of that tier get to make their own choices in this matter.
Last Station was renovating and upgrading an existing location.
Building a manse is a whole different order of project.
Its the difference between renovating an existing power station and trying to invent an antimatter-matter power generation facility from base principles
At least, thats my current impression. And I say that as someone who voted for Craft.
Doesnt work that way.
Free will is a constant for people. Even created people. Else you're just making slaves, and it was making slaves that fucked over the Primordials in Yu-Shan.
Thats the risk you run with giving out power; other people get to make their decisions about how to use it.
Thats why I developed doubts about even attempting all the political and magical hurdles of trying to raise a city god, even before I discovered they already exist in the WoD setting.
That you can doesnt mean that you should.
@DragonParadox does this mean that the way Lydia opens stays open? Or can she close is behind herself? I assumed that she can close it. Because "can stay" doesn't mean "stays"
Yeah following what feels like a Demon goddess a Death goddess and a powerful demon into a mystery hole is definitely a get in the water moment you know they're going to have to do it because the lord of the wicked city has command of their souls but still it's got to be just kind of the worst.
[X] Open Calibration's Gate (Mikaboshi may not contest this, but will briefly create a cosmic alignment through which any of the demons of the Wicked City may pass; you may have to defend the gate on the other side until you can close it)
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
The Calibration Gate isn't just a portal, but a cosmic alignment. I think that many beings of the Wicked City would not be able to use Lydia's Open the Way to set foot on earth.
I wonder if we had used the Calibration Gate to go straight to the Summer Mother would she have been able to use it to step onto Earth?
Not to say that I disagree with using the Calibration Gate. Just saying that time duration might not be the differing factor.
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We didn't need to use exalted crafting to make a house god at all. That's a qualitative difference. And Dresdenverse is absolutely a higher energy state universe. This is how it has been played for all the quest. It's not as worn down. Systems of the world are in better working order.
As I said, adjusting for our capabilities and support, this is about the same. Renovation of a dragon nest into a manse.
We are very near to top level of what vanilla crafter can be. Further improvements have to rely on stuff like Tiffany boosting our intelligence and lending her insights, getting splendors for invincible assertion in craft, etc.
Reality is just fragile it's not that they can't walk into it it's just that it starts to melt if they do opening a calibration gate wouldn't help that. If we opened one to the outside it would help them walk in because they would allow them to just circumvent the Army and the actual outer gate but most beings that are inside creation are welcome in all parts of it and if they have to limit themselves, to get certain places without destroying them.
Rolling DC 9 in his own hell to use his eyes. That's just salt in the wound.
The exaltation has been stable since before Egypt had a desert, I don't see this as urgent.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say, but what I am trying to say is that Mikaboshi invading Earth is a bit more difficult than just getting a wizard to open a portal from him. Earth has protections*. Protections which the Calibration Gate completely ignores.
*Likely imposed by the White God or the Agust Personage in Jade.
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Cobbler a person who literally just tried to steal it is still alive and he has the backing of a older black vampire was capable of stealing his soul out from under us. That situation was stable and it very much isn't anymore he killed the main guardian of it essentially and we couldn't replace it the only people guarding it are now Mortals of a really small cult so not great all in all for security reasons. Also releasing it or opening it or stealing it might release the Abyssal exaltation as well which means having it prevents that too.
It used security through obscurity. That's gone. And active defenses of the container statue are also almost gone. It's not safe. This is one thing I am not prepared to compromise about, because solars and abyssals are dangerous.
I don't think that's true. The lord of the wicked City himself is active in the world all the time he walks the streets of Shanghai and trades on the markets there as well he's not exactly restricted in any way from being in the real world and the strong part of his army that aren't vulnerable to a wizard casting a Mass banishment spell also have free access to the world his Akuma and greater Akuma.
What I'm saying the world has protections but those protections are there are beings that would like to kill him if he stepped out of his hell where he's nearly completely Immortal and a Celestine if he comes out with an army I imagine the Chinese Pantheon would like a crack at him for breaking the Masquerade and also having an opportunity to have a crack at him I'm sure the Greater Shinto Pantheon would love the same for Emma-O if he ever came out in Japan.
Cobbler needed an alignment of circumstances that included the major power broker of the city shacking up with the Outside to get in that position, and still needed us as a distraction to get close. The sin eater and local community are back in order now, it's a very different scenario.
Also we ate his soul, so Cobbler specifically is not around.
This is not an immediate problem, it's diving into forcing out the DF from its own setting. I personally don't want to fuck around with some solar all day instead of doing DF stuff.
Contrast with a real time sensitive situation, like the global economy going belly up while Nemesis is looking for people to exploit, the vampire war turning to desperate ends, and the unshaped proving ground in Boston.
Beings of the Wicked City can already use many ways to come to Earth if they have Mikaboshi's permission.
Mikaboshi himself allegedly shows up on Earth at will.
I dont think that changes anything.
Anyone trying to pass through the Gate is going to have to go past Molly in shintai.
That rather limits who is willing to pass. Especially since they dont know if she has anything anchored in the spell.
Yes? You dont need exalted crafting to make spirits in the Dresdenverse. Dying people make ghosts all the time.
But the lack of Exalted crafting meant that meant we had little control over what we would get or what abilities they would come with. We essentially rolled the dice.
That is just not true.
For example, Lash is literally the first Demon on Earth. WoD is awash in Earthbound and Demons, and has had Earthbound around since pre-history; the Dresdenverse version of Earthbound only showed up after the crucifixion of Christ.
I dont at all agree, and I've given my reasons why.
The geomancy is different, the very rules of physics are different.
Ppl in Creation had the rules of reality mapped out in excruciating detail by the architects of that reality and their helpers, and it still takes them years to build.
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