Flagship Name

  • Spirit of Fire

    Votes: 21 47.7%
  • Vigilance

    Votes: 23 52.3%

  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .
In the Discord server, link here if ya wanna join (lotta cool stuff, omake ideas and background information), I've compiled four different plans to deal with the threats here.

The Maelstrom crusade is paused and we have three big threats, one of which is so unknown that we don't even know if they're Astartes or Chaos or both or something entirely different mistaken for Astartes while the other two are so deadly that it might very well take the full focus of the Legion to beat them.

Sidenote: while I won't write it down here in case a different idea comes about (and it's been confirmed we can write it in later) the current plan for whatever it is we pick is to call Corvus Corax and ask him to burn a favour with the Eldar he has to net us the services of a Phoenix Lord to help deal with Epsilon-354. Current main candidate is Karandras of the Striking Scorpions, due to them being an absolute master of stealth and thus perfect to bring back Solarus safe and sound, although Fuegan of the Fire Dragons is also viable if we wanna focus on the combat aspect. Eldrad Ulthran is also possible, although they're very busy and would probably cost more to get their support.

For reference, the traits of all three:
+250 to stealth.
If enemies stealth bonus is below 50 of his, he automatically finds them.
Applies stealth bonus to ambushes.
Negates two enemy traits.
Autopasses stealth rolls if his bonus is higher.
Can drop into stealth during duels.
Negates one stealth failure per year.
Can only be found by Exalted and Primarch tiers.
Eldar Sniper Rifle - Double ambush bonuses (caps at +120). +10 to duels.
+150 combat
+75 vs daemons, additional +20 against Slaaneshi daemons.
+100 vs hordes
Every round past the third his opponent suffers an additional -10 from exhaustion.
Gains a +5 to duels per round with no ceiling
Rolls separately against all participants in duels.
Immune to exhaustion.
Against non-heroes and non-Exalted. Considered to have rolled a 80 vs 20 on all occasions.
Multiply kills in combat by 10. Immune to surprise.
Immune to Corruption.
Increased chance of survival if he loses a duel
Immune to plagues below Exalted tier.
Heals 2 wounds a turn.
If unengaged in a duel heal all wounds he has taken.
Auto rolls a 90 vs 20 for the scene if he chooses
+200 to duels
+50 anti-daemon
Narrative' CR
Chaos God penalties do not apply to Eldrad
+20 to Counterring Chaos Gods
In Escapes, rolls against just one enemy
+50 to Eldar rolls when near
Can be possessed by Cegorach at full power. Both die if used.
Negate All Rerolls for Opponents Except for Gods. +100 to Divination. +80 against Diviners. +50 to Harlequin Rolls When Present
No penalties from having many diviners obscure his vision
5 rerolls
Can attack through time
Sword of Vaul - +50 Combat, upgrades trait 2 to auto 95 vs 5
Armor of Vaul - Boosts Eldrad's three best traits
(Karandras meeting Kesar can also help inspire, i.e. boost, the Rune of Subtlety.)

[] Plan: Clean up the Maelstrom.
-[] Unidentified Hostile 02-02-FF
--[] 23000 Eternal Wardens, Maticus Ventamedes, Baldur Voluspa, Lares, Aurelian.
-[] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[] 40000 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Dantioch, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[] Lahrens
--[] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Doom Slayer, Crescum Auro, the Triquetra, Aengus, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[] Domain Policing
--[] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).

Reasoning: This plan should reasonable be enough to deal with the current threat we have. Maticus is a good duelist and can fight any ship boarders for the Astartes threat (such as what was mentioned to happen to the initial Imperial Army scouts) or if he boards them in turn, and if they can be talked to (if they are Astartes and not Chaos) then Baldur can help with that. Epsilon has nearly the 75k Astartes recommendation, but with the heroes sent and a potential Phoenix Lord it should be enough. The Eldar have divination but with Oriacarius to outwit them, Doom Slayer to mince their armies, Crescum Auro to counter-ritual them and the rest just hitting hard it should be enough.

[] Plan: Kesar to Eldar, Oriacarius to Epsilon.
-[] Unidentified Hostile 02-02-FF
--[] 25000 Eternal Wardens, Maticus Ventamdes, Baldur Voluspa, Lares, Aurelian.
-[] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[] 43000 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Oriacarius Gielux, Crescum Auro, Durante and Vergil, Dantioch, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[] Lahrens
--[] 27000 Eternal Wardens, Kesar Dorlin, Doom Slayer, Triquetra, Aengus, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[] Domain Policing
--[] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).

Reasoning: Oriacarius is the absolute best at command for the Legion, he has countless contingencies for everything and he can even command forces while in a duel (something Kesar can't), and his rerolls can be a life-saver against this AI. Kesar's main psychic ability is to cut off everyone around him from the Warp, which would devastate any and all Eldar he faces and he is our best at duelling too.

[] Plan: Oriacarius to 'Astartes', Maticus to Lahrens.
-[] Unidentified Hostile 02-02-FF
--[] 23000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Baldur Voluspa, Triquetra, Aengus.
-[] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[] 40000 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Aurelian, Dantioch, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[] Lahrens
--[] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Maticus Ventamedes, Doom Slayer, Lares, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[] Domain Policing
--[] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).

Reasoning: We have no idea what the 'Unknown Astartes' threat is, but whatever it is Oriacarius has contingencies for it and whether it becomes a boarding event or a naval battle or whatever else it can become he can handle it. Maticus can meanwhile duel the Eldar and likely be able to best them in combat, possesses a relic that helps him at sneaking which could massively help against divination if it works like that, and he's experienced at culling psykers.

[] Plan: All on Epsilon and Eldar.
-[] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[] 62500 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Dantioch, Aurelian, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[] Lahrens
--[] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Maticus Ventamedes, Doom Slayer, Lares, Triquetra, Aengus, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[] Domain Policing
--[] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Baldur Voluspa, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).
-[] Purgatorio cleansing
--[] 500 Eternal Wardens, Crescum Auro.

Reasoning: Epsilon and Lahrens are insanely powerful threats. The Eldar can channel divine energy and are supported by Squat and advanced technology, the AI is comparable to Oriacarius while having extremely advanced technology across the board and a highly defended location. We need to ensure both of these threats are dealt with and especially for Epsilon that we guarantee a clean a victory as possible, both to recover Solarus and take as much technology and data we can from that AI. You remember all that tech Epsilon was reported to have in this update, not to mention the stasis tech designed for daemon capture? Imagine having all of that and more.

For Purgatorio, that was the one Maelstrom world that Perturabo did his amazing act right at the start of the big war to banish the Maelstrom rift. Turned the daemonworld into a half-daemonworld, and it's now a place where Perturabo is doing a lot of important experiments including AI research. Crescum Auro's Tier 4 Daemonsbane requirement is cleansing a daemonworld. If we do this then Perturabo will owe us a favour or two according to DaemonHunter, Crescum Auro will gain the hammer that Perturabo used to half-daemonworld this place (which boosts future daemonworld purifying rituals, and some other anti-daemon stuff). And it'll let Perturabo research AI easier.

Personally, I'm leaning towards All on Epsilon and Eldar for what we should do.
 
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Just to be clear, attempting diplomacy with the AI is completely out of the question, yes?
In practice, yeah. The AI is only willing to accept a deal where the "you fuck off" term has been accepted by the Imperium, and that's just not possible. Even ignoring the captured Astartes, there's a Greater Daemon in service to Be'lakor being held captive and studied by Epsilon, with Epsilon intending to use it to travel back in time and prevent Slaanesh's birth. To put it mildly, this has the potential to go horribly wrong.

If Epsilon just wanted to survive or study the universe or whatever then Perturabo has the authority to allow the AI to persist, albeit in a monitored facility of his own making. However, it is dead set on its goal of achieving time travel and will not accept any deal which would inhibit this.
 
And Be'lakor wants to become the one uncontested god of Chaos and he likely sent his daemon to the AI to achieve that.

For that, I refuse to vote for any plan that doesn't have Kesar sent to Epsilon.
 
[X] Plan: All on Epsilon and Eldar.
-[X] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[X] 62500 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Dantioch, Aurelian, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[X] Lahrens
--[X] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Maticus Ventamedes, Doom Slayer, Lares, Triquetra, Aengus, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[X] Domain Policing
--[X] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Baldur Voluspa, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).
-[X] Purgatorio cleansing
--[X] 500 Eternal Wardens, Crescum Auro.
 
[X] Plan: Oriacarius to 'Astartes', Maticus to Lahrens.
-[] Unidentified Hostile 02-02-FF
--[] 23000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Baldur Voluspa, Triquetra, Aengus.
-[] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[] 40000 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Aurelian, Dantioch, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[] Lahrens
--[] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Maticus Ventamedes, Doom Slayer, Lares, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[] Domain Policing
--[] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).


I know that having Auro go to Purgatorio would be very good for him personally, but I don't think that's worth the potential risks of leaving an ME compliance alone for an entire decade. Auro would get Tier 4 Daemonsbane yes, but he wouldn't actually benefit from it until he gets tier 2 and 3 Daemonsbane, meanwhile he would be losing out on some trait experience because he wouldn't be participating in a compliance for an entire turn.

Also, there is a greater than zero chance that Auro's Black Covenant attacks him if we send him off by himself like how Doom Slayer got attacked, but Auro would be at a greater risk of dying or taking severe injuries because he isn't combat focused like Doom Slayer.
 
[] Plan: All on Epsilon and Eldar.
Edit: I like this
[X] Plan: All Wardens on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes.
 
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[] Plan: All on Epsilon and Eldar.
-[] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[] 62500 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Dantioch, Aurelian, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[] Lahrens
--[] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Maticus Ventamedes, Doom Slayer, Lares, Triquetra, Aengus, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[] Domain Policing
--[] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Baldur Voluspa, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).
-[] Purgatorio cleansing
--[] 500 Eternal Wardens, Crescum Auro.

Reasoning: Epsilon and Lahrens are insanely powerful threats. The Eldar can channel divine energy and are supported by Squat and advanced technology, the AI is comparable to Oriacarius while having extremely advanced technology across the board and a highly defended location. We need to ensure both of these threats are dealt with and especially for Epsilon that we guarantee a clean a victory as possible, both to recover Solarus and take as much technology and data we can from that AI. You remember all that tech Epsilon was reported to have in this update, not to mention the stasis tech designed for daemon capture? Imagine having all of that and more.

For Purgatorio, that was the one Maelstrom world that Perturabo did his amazing act right at the start of the big war to banish the Maelstrom rift. Turned the daemonworld into a half-daemonworld, and it's now a place where Perturabo is doing a lot of important experiments including AI research. Crescum Auro's Tier 4 Daemonsbane requirement is cleansing a daemonworld. If we do this then Perturabo will owe us a favour or two according to DaemonHunter, Crescum Auro will gain the hammer that Perturabo used to half-daemonworld this place (which boosts future daemonworld purifying rituals, and some other anti-daemon stuff). And it'll let Perturabo research AI easier.

Personally, I'm leaning towards All on Epsilon and Eldar for what we should do.
Are you positive that this would be a good idea?

I mean with the BCs active, wouldn't Auro be vulnerable even with his 500 bodyguards?

Also would ignoring the Astartes threat ahain not be a considerable problem in terms of them building up as a greater threat?
 
Are you positive that this would be a good idea?

I mean with the BCs active, wouldn't Auro be vulnerable even with his 500 bodyguards?

Also would ignoring the Astartes threat ahain not be a considerable problem in terms of them building up as a greater threat?
I totally get your concerns about Auro, but he's a Daemonsbane psyker with a great sword and a blank buddy, 500 helpful Eternal Wardens, on a half-daemonworld that was heavily defended and has a great anti-daemonworld relic of Perturabo's forging hammer. Being attacked in transit is a risk, yet the improved Gellar field research and those mechanical ship designs that heavily resist Warp influence should make that fine.

While the Astartes threat is a big one, I do have to say that Epsilon and Lahrens have to be dealt with. Epsilon especially:
Recommendations: It is my official recommendation that the abominable intelligence is given as little time to prepare as possible. I would recommend a force of at least 75 thousand Wardens led by Primarch Dorlin, with a supplementing force of 20 billion guardsmen and Solar Auxilia. It is expected that this force would take heavy casualties. Additionally, it may be possible for a skilled group of Pathfinders led by Durante and Vergil to free the prisoners, but I would recommend seeking experienced Raven Guard personnel to improve the probability of success of such an extraction.
And this is just the in-universe report from someone who hasn't even seen how bad or defended the planet itself is, which has remained untouched by the conflict and thus will only grow stronger under Epsilon's guidance. Lahrens also is a big threat, if lesser to 'really smart and super powerful AI', that is recommended to have a large presence of forces too.

The Astartes are a problem but, while they are an unknown, they have no observed capability to massively increase their power like an AI, or possess powerful 'divine energy channelling/replication' technology like the Eldar. They've had five years to grow worse, yes, but they aren't attacking us yet with the ships they've captured and seem content for now to just remain where they are. I know I'll regret saying this, as we'll probably face a lot of big threats next turn on top of them, but I want the best chances we have to deal with both of these threats.

With that said... there is a possible answer. One I'd prefer to save, especially as we are teetering on the edge of civil war, but if we want the Unknown Astartes dealt with then, especially if they are Astartes, there is an answer. One worth 80k to 100k warriors trained for dealing with Astartes, Chaos and generally just to destroy everything else.

The Space Wolves. Leman Russ owes Kesar a favour for helping save Fenris and his Legion. We can cash that in and end this threat.

@Daemon Hunter can we do what I just said?
 
You can in fact cash that favor in, and Leman would take care of it.
Fuck it, fifth plan time. This might cause some shit, but Leman Russ only has this as shit to deal with:
Leman 1+2: A heavily industrialised human world ruled by two extremely skilled Dark Eldar. Controlled by various megacorporations, the Dark Eldar rose up by allying with the most depraved companies until they became the CEOs of multiple corporations.

Leman 20: A dead drop containing dossiers on the Dark Eldar, they are incredibly extensive, providing complete knowledge on their fighting style, notable skills, and weaknesses.
-A gift delivered by Cegorach, disguised as a gift from Asdrubael Vect which the latter will happily take credit for.
This can wait, it's not a growing threat or a particularly terrible or notable one.

And, uh, in case Perturabo and Horus Lupercal kill Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus then we want Leman Russ far away from this.

Also, because there's some concern about Crescum Auro's safety, gave him Baldur Volsupa to help him. Baldur is a Hero unit but not a Daemonsbane until he True Kills a Greater Daemon which if a Black Covenant or other Chaos attack does happen then he could get. Oriacarius is also hyper sus about him and putting him a situation where he can build up power or develop a secret network or whatever he's doing then that's great.

Baldur can also work as a deterrent, as one non-combat focused Hero Eternal Wardens is theoretically manageable for a Chaos elite attack group but two??? forget it! He also worked well with Auro before on that Shadow Daemon world.

Sidenote, just as I type this, Auro cannot fight and do rituals at the same time so Baldur and +500 extra Wardens are sent there.

[X] Plan: All Wardens on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes.
-[X] Unidentified Hostile 02-02-FF
--[X] Call in the Space Wolves, cash in that old favour.
-[X] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[X] 62000 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Dantioch, Aurelian, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[X] Lahrens
--[X] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Maticus Ventamedes, Doom Slayer, Lares, Triquetra, Aengus, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[X] Domain Policing
--[X] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).
-[X] Purgatorio cleansing
--[X] 1000 Eternal Wardens, Crescum Auro, Baldur Voluspa.
 
[X] Plan: All Wardens on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes.

Edit:

[X] Plan: All Wardens (And Baldur) on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes
-[X] Unidentified Hostile 02-02-FF
--[X] Request the Space Wolves take care of this
-[X] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[X] 62000 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Dantioch, Aurelian, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[X] Lahrens
--[X] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Maticus Ventamedes, Doom Slayer, Baldur, Lares, Triquetra, Aengus, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[X] Domain Policing
--[X] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).
-[X] Purgatorio cleansing
--[X] 1000 Eternal Wardens, Crescum Auro
 
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[X] Plan: All Wardens (And Baldur) on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes
-[X] Unidentified Hostile 02-02-FF
--[X] Call in the Space Wolves, cash in that old favour.
-[X] Abominable Intelligence Epsilon-354
--[X] 62000 Eternal Wardens, 25000 Iron Warriors, Kesar Dorlin, Durante and Vergil, Dantioch, Aurelian, Bodin, Scotty, Vigilance, Legio Deicio.
-[X] Lahrens
--[X] 32000 Eternal Wardens, Oriacarius Gielux, Maticus Ventamedes, Doom Slayer, Baldur, Lares, Triquetra, Aengus, Gabriel, Abdul, Knight House Hermetika.
-[X] Domain Policing
--[X] 5000 Eternal Wardens, Night Watch, Everyone else (Proto-heroes/Named).
-[X] Purgatorio cleansing
--[X] 1000 Eternal Wardens, Crescum Auro


Changing vote to this as I like all the worlds being dealt with. Also, Baldur joining Auro is not really necessary as Purgatorio is an extremely well defended world even without the 1k Wardens so the chances of Auro's ritual being interrupted are basically nonexistent imo.
 
[X] Plan: All Wardens on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes.
[X] Plan: All Wardens (And Baldur) on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes
 
[X] Plan: All Wardens on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes.
[X] Plan: All Wardens (And Baldur) on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes

Good with whatever.
 
[X] Plan: All Wardens on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes.
[X] Plan: All Wardens (And Baldur) on Epsilon and Eldar, All Wolves on Astartes
 
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