Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The only currency that really matters in the supernatural community is power, your own or that which you can borrow from someone else. A quasi-favor from Maeve isn't like a favor from Mab or Titania, but it's still pretty significant.

[X] Personal Intervention (You may call upon the Winter Lady to personally aid you over the course of an investigative action)
 
[X] Personal Intervention (You may call upon the Winter Lady to personally aid you over the course of an investigative action)
 
The bottom half it was a cauldron that explored when Harrowmont was invested with the power of the Sin Eater. The rest of it dispersed. It was a manifestation of the gate opening, hence lesser outsiders could pass through it.

Well, it's good to hear Sandra can't wake up, snap her fingers, and summon a baker's dozen lesser Outsiders again. That's the kind of strike force that could mow through Wardens en masse.
 
Maybe I am not being clear when I say ignore wounds in this context I don't mean shrug off the pain. I mean act as if they truly are not there. Grab things with the missing limb.
 
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Maybe I am not being clear when I say ignore wounds in this context I don't mean shrug off the pain. I mean act if they truly are not there. Grab things with the missing limb.
Well, in that case, we are stepping on the shaking ground of definition of what "cured" means... Is there difference if for all purposes and perception it is the same?
 
Well, in that case, we are stepping on the shaking ground of definition of what "cured" means... Is there difference if for all purposes and perception it is the same?
It is all in the details. Mostly I just want to get False Hope Springs and have Molly 'heal' Harry herself rather than use up our favor on it.
 
Is there difference if for all purposes and perception it is the same.
In one instance Winter's power is actively supporting him so he can act as if he doesn't have a broken back. That support could be taken away. In the other instance he really doesn't have a broken back because it's healed and so there is no risk until it is healed by wizard healing.
 
Well, in that case, we are stepping on the shaking ground of definition of what "cured" means... Is there difference if for all purposes and perception it is the same?

The difference is you are one sufficiently powerful unbinding from not being cured anymore. Maeve is not presently offering the mantle, she cannot and Harry would not take it, it would be a manifestation of her power as the Lady, commensurate to her will.
 
In one instance Winter's power is actively supporting him so he can act as if he doesn't have a broken back. That support could be taken away. In the other instance he really doesn't have a broken back because it's healed and so there is no risk until it is healed by wizard healing.
Maybe I don't completely understand your point, but what is more probable: Mab created some kind of implant and it stopped working, when Harry tried to break the law, or that she healed him (or overcharged his regeneration, which is practically the same) and then the mantle just numbed some section of his spinal cord?
It is all in the details. Mostly I just want to get False Hope Springs and have Molly 'heal' Harry herself rather than use up our favor on it.
Well, I don't, and that is the real reason, isn't it?
 
Mab created some kind of implant and it stopped working, when Harry tried to break the law, or that she healed him (or overcharged his regeneration, which is practically the same) and then the mantle just numbed some section of his spinal cord?
It's more probable that she used magic we associate with Winter to allow him to ignore the wound rather than use magic that we don't associate with Winter to heal it then have the mantle punish him in such a specific way when it had many options to go about it.
 
Maybe I don't completely understand your point, but what is more probable: Mab created some kind of implant and it stopped working, when Harry tried to break the law, or that she healed him (or overcharged his regeneration, which is practically the same) and then the mantle just numbed some section of his spinal cord?
The first one obviously expect that the implant in question is just part of the winter knight mantel that Mab didn't have to make. It's already designed to allow knights to keep going until full bodily destruction.

A bit like undead vampires.
 
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[X] Fey trainers in one of the sorcerous arts for you or a person of your choosing up to Mastery level

I want our sorcerers taught how to summon.
 
Priordials have something much more powerful then lots of health levels, a 1,000 strong mote pool. IE even an E8 Solar will mote tap themselves before the Primordial perfect defense falls


And the primordials are a bunch of E10 monster that explicitly did eat thou the exalted host by the thousands up on the thousands, and that was just the celestial exalted. The amount of celestial exalted that made it thou the entire war without death at least once can be counted on 1 hand. For all the Solar, Lunar, and Sideral combined.


Mate that is exactly the kind of force that breaks exalted, mass mook spam, followed up by some bigger threats is expliclty the best counter to exalted.


The war was slog of exalted continually winding up dead, with only the shards reincarnation keeping things going. Even then thowards the end of the war the Primordials has found ways of crushing the Exalted when they kill them, in such a way it messed up the shard prevent it from finding a new host for a while. Odds are 50/50 if the war had kept going the Exalted would have won or the Primordial's figure out how to capture exalted shards and auto win at that point. The Yozi and the Neverborn both lesser and dumber existences then the Primoridals could figure out how to capture shards so the Primoridals.


Exalted have to be E8 to have a chance of solo fighting a primordial, and even then the Primoridal's vastly bigger Mote pool ensure their victory, so long as they can keep their perfect defense up.

Also it is stated that the charms seen in the books, are mathematically perfect charms developed long after the war ended. The Charms used during the priordial war where weaker, cost more motes, and achieved lesser effects. A fight between a exalted of any type vs their primordial war counter part is a stomp for the second age exalted with their vastly better charms.
The Yozi perfect defenses one and all have holes large enough that you could fly planes through them. And I see no reason to believe that the primordials would be any different simply because they would still have to obey the thematics of the primordials in their defenses so why wouldn't they also still have holes in them.

Also I'm going to need a source on that the exalted died in any great number during the war because I can't find it and I don't think it's a thing nor do the logistics of how that war would work agree that that would be a thing. The dragon blooded can replace one to maybe three per year per Dragon blooded even with the initial 10,000 losing thousands of them in any battle means Decades of replenishment. Trying to fight any of the primordials or their greater Souls without a shaping defense or environmental defense means you instantly die in green nuclear fire or have your mind twisted which means if the celestials are dying of such as do not even have veterans see the training from the unconquered Sun and the maidens of fate are wasted same with the artifacts given by the Jade born.
 
Regardless of that instance of possible healing with Mab, didn't Leanansidhe heal up Harry once, much earlier, and did a good job with it?
Are you talking about the time in Grave Peril where Harry was suffering from breaking his word to Leanansidhe and Susan Rodriguez negotiated on his behalf? Because that doesn't seem like healing him more like stopped hurting him.
 
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