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I don't recall what the monthly plan was but if it's not on the list we definitely need to address the Rampire spy problem amongst the White Council along with the Outsider spy I remember them having. In light of recent events it feels much more time sensitive to me and like Uju said while we didn't have an excuse before we do now with Sandra. We need to take care of that ASAP.
 
BoredMan said:
I don't recall what the monthly plan was but if it's not on the list we definitely need to address the Rampire spy problem amongst the White Council along with the Outsider spy I remember them having. In light of recent events it feels much more time sensitive to me and like Uju said while we didn't have an excuse before we do now with Sandra. We need to take care of that ASAP.
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I'm pretty sure everyone but Uju has been saying to tell Dresden about the traitors in the council. Anyway here's the schedule as it was marked off anything we've already done.
  • [] Plan Stage Magic
    - [in progress] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    - [in progress] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    -- [completed] NEW Welcoming your Godchild: Rosie is due to give birth on the 10th, help her welcome the baby and settle in
    - [in progress] NEW Viva Las Vegas: Thanks to Maeve you now know where Sandra is, a pity that is not on a tropical island where you can bag her and have a party afterwards. Instead it's in some kind of supernatural fortress on top of what she called a fraying in the fabric of reality, or a thing that doesn't belong... bitch.
    - [completed] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar not in the ways of the spirit but the mind, the Bridge of Dreams
    —[] If he's interested, give Brother Divsimar a tour of the courts
    —[] 1 AP to investigate its nature with him if he's willing
    -[] Higher Education: According to Od... that is Donar Vadderung Cambridge Massachusetts is in in a power void at the moment, one that given the power and influence certain factions of the unseen world could acquire by getting their hooks into the students early could be a lot of trouble down the road. On the other hand that very fact could be of great use to you. Check it out, see if you can establish a presence there. After all it is quite close by water.
    - [completed] NEW A Veil in Summer: Lilly is in a bad way, her memories of mortality, the things she loved and cherished slipping through her fingers, becoming more and more like the last Summer Lady, given what the last Summer Lady did there's more cause than just sympathy to stop her
    —[] 2 AP
 
Degorium said:
I'm pretty sure everyone but Uju has been saying to tell Dresden about the traitors in the council.
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Nah people were against it because it rather likely wouldn't have amounted to jack shit. It may have alienated us though. To take us at nothing but our word(because they don't know about the Crown) would require that they admit their own judgement on people they actively trust their lives with is wrong and the old wizards are much too prideful to easily do that.

Not to mention we emit hell energies and are sus as fuck. Remember this discussion was had before we started giving them weapons for the war effort. Why would they have taken our word over those who they have fought and bled with for literal centuries?

Make it make sense.
 
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BoredMan said:
Nah people were against it because it rather likely wouldn't have amounted to jack shit. It may have alienated us though. To take us at nothing but our word(because they don't know about the Crown) would require that they admit their own judgement on people they actively trust their lives with is wrong and the old wizards are much too prideful to easily do that.

Not to mention we emit hell energies and are sus as fuck. Remember this discussion was had before we started giving them weapons for the war effort. Why would they have taken our word over those who they have fought and bled with for literal centuries?

Make it make sense.
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Harry has connections to Ebenezer the black staff even if he didn't take our concerns immediately seriously he's not going to take any risks that someone on the white council is Outsider aligned or even red Court aligned because his grandson is the one who started the war with the red Court. Not that the grandson knows but seriously we had an in who even if Harry couldn't explain his Source or had to keep it a secret which you know he can or would have the blackstaff would have investigated because Ebenezer trusts his grandson even though said grandson doesn't know he'd benefit from such nepotism.
 
[X] Alexander Harrowmont

Charon is out of the question with the question vote having failed. Not gonna hand that power over to a complete unknown, who is either a chthonic god or a super ghost powerful and ambitious enough to try to mantle a chthonic god.

Adkin is a good guy, but already has a faction to lead and spoken loyalties. It would basically make Vegas Ra's city.

Harrowmont is a compromise and factional power balance character, and would also empower another protector who otherwise wouldn't have the mojo. As long as the local factions are willing to work with him as the coordinator, then he would be the most min-maxed choice that way.
 
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BoredMan said:
Nah people were against it because it rather likely wouldn't have amounted to jack shit. It may have alienated us though. To take us at nothing but our word(because they don't know about the Crown) would require that they admit their own judgement on people they actively trust their lives with is wrong and the old wizards are much too prideful to easily do that.

Not to mention we emit hell energies and are sus as fuck. Remember this discussion was had before we started giving them weapons for the war effort. Why would they have taken our word over those who they have fought and bled with for literal centuries?

Make it make sense.
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Degorium said:
Harry has connections to Ebenezer the black staff even if he didn't take our concerns immediately seriously he's not going to take any risks that someone on the white council is Outsider aligned or even red Court aligned because his grandson is the one who started the war with the red Court. Not that the grandson knows but seriously we had an in who even if Harry couldn't explain his Source or had to keep it a secret which you know he can or would have the blackstaff would have investigated because Ebenezer trusts his grandson even though said grandson doesn't know he'd benefit from such nepotism.
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And tell him what exactly?
We just know that Peabody is a traitor because we had a Crown vision about him; we dont know anything he's done, nevermind have any evidence for it. We have had no foci for him, so we havent been able to follow up either.


We may like Ebenezar McCoy, but his primary loyalties are to the White Council above everything and everyone else, and we dont know him well enough to entrust him with our secrets, since there's good odds he'd sell them out for the Council's interests if he thought it necessary.

And the Blackstaff was never going to take something like this without corroboration, grandson or not.
Especially not when the ultimate source is someone who has some association with the White Court, which he hates.
Its not exactly convincing to have a Hell Lord accuse a senior wizard in good standing of treason, source "Trust me brah".


Furthermore, there is a distinct risk that McCoy investigating would risk setting Peabody off, and his contingencies would wreck a chunk of the White Council.

Thats precisely what happened in canon, where Dresden DID tell Ebenezar McCoy beforehand, and both McCoy and Ramirez searched Peabody's chambers and secured physical evidence. Yet exposing Peabody almost decapitated the entire Senior Council, and DID kill more than 50 wizards plus Morgan when he Outsider-bombed the chamber to cover his attempted escape.
 
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Degorium said:
Harry has connections to Ebenezer the black staff even if he didn't take our concerns immediately seriously he's not going to take any risks that someone on the white council is Outsider aligned or even red Court aligned because his grandson is the one who started the war with the red Court. Not that the grandson knows but seriously we had an in who even if Harry couldn't explain his Source or had to keep it a secret which you know he can or would have the blackstaff would have investigated because Ebenezer trusts his grandson even though said grandson doesn't know he'd benefit from such nepotism.
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So? He's one dude. Ebenezer and the Senior Council are well aware that they have a spy problem. I seriously doubt that giving him names alone with no credible sources would have been enough to handle it.

Harry has a questionable past along with not handling himself too well in front of them in general and being very young by their standards the senior council will not take his word for gospel either. Based on how Harry reacted to Peabody(a traitor)in canon I highly doubt he wouldn't react in a similar manner during WC meetings and the like, had we told him that some of the people in that room during those gatherings sell magic children out to vampires and Outsiders. In the very least I'd expect him to start rolling will to not out himself.

Harry having that knowledge could have blown up badly just like in canon and since we were occupied with other things at the time, like the Skinwalker, handling it would've thrown our schedule off big time.
 
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BoredMan said:
So? He's one dude. Ebenezer and the Senior Council are well aware that they have a spy problem. I seriously doubt that giving him names alone with no credible sources would have been enough to handle it.

Harry has a questionable past along with not handling himself too well in front of them in general and being very young by their standards the senior council will not take his word for gospel either. Based on how Harry reacted to Peabody(a traitor)in canon I highly doubt he wouldn't react in a similar manner during WC meetings and the like, had we told him that some of the people in that room during those gatherings sell magic children out to vampires and Outsiders. In the very least I'd expect him to start rolling will to not out himself.

Harry having that knowledge could have blown up badly just like in canon and since we were occupied with other things at the time, like the Skinwalker, handling it would've thrown our schedule off big time.
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You think that we could get Dragon Harrowmont to pretend to be our source?
 
fictionfan said:
You think that we could get Dragon Harrowmont to pretend to be our source?
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Doesn't make much sense why would Harrowmont know those things about the council? We should use Sandra as an excuse to handle the traitor situation right after this Arc closes with Vegas. Maybe something in between that's less high stakes to cool down but I'd rather drop the school thing and handle that next month instead.

Also we should* get rid of that title if at all possible. Dragon is a horrible moniker in this setting if you aren't actually one.
 
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BoredMan said:
Doesn't make much sense why would Harrowmont know those things about the council? We should use Sandra as an excuse to handle the traitor situation right after this Arc closes with Vegas. Maybe something in between that's less high stakes to cool down but I'd rather drop the school thing and handle that next month instead.

Also we are getting rid of that title if at all possible. Dragon is a horrible moniker in this setting if you aren't actually one.
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Its the Dresdenverse.
There's an intimidation value to certain names, and if a real dragon didnt object for the full century that Samuel was here, noone is likely to object to an inheritor claiming the name.

And thats assuming that it was Samuel's idea in the first place; he might just have inherited it from the previous Emissary.
It is appropriate to modern mythology where dragons are powerful creatures that guard a valuable hoard.

Anyway, not our business or responsibility.
 
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uju32 said:
Anyway, not our business or responsibility.
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I would argue that with how involved people want to get with Harrowmont going forward(to keeps the Reds out to possibly connect him with the LOC etc)that advising him to get rid of a possibly problematic title is our business. I understand that you'd rather us clean our hands of Vegas in general but it should be clear by now that not everyone has been of that mindset.
 
[X] Oliver Adkin

His willingness to outright state that he will put the Sin Eater second to his morality wins my vote. Someone willing to work with yet still say no to the Sin Eater sounds good. Him having other existing ties helps to me.

BoredMan said:
Also we are getting rid of that title if at all possible. Dragon is a horrible moniker in this setting if you aren't actually one.
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Yeah. I'm with you there.
 
BoredMan said:
I would argue that with how involved people want to get with Harrowmont going forward(to keeps the Reds out to possibly connect him with the LOC etc)that advising him to get rid of a possibly problematic title is our business. I understand that you'd rather us clean our hands of Vegas in general but it should be clear by now that not everyone has been of that mindset.
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We only have so much AP to play around with, and Vegas is almost two thousand miles from Chicago. We literally have people in our home city that we havent had time to see yet, and we are sorta committed to going to Boston by August.
I dont really expect Harrowmont's problems to be ours, when push comes to shove about allocating our time and attention.

However, there are two points to consider when making what is a fairly minor quibble:

1) Our initial assessment of Harrowmont was very much a man with a chip on his shoulder.
Theres a non-zero chance that he would consider such a request as either implying that he cant match up to his predecessor or a challenge. Choose your battles.


2)You dont really get to determine what other people choose to call you.
Molly has never had a say in any of the names other supernaturals have called her, from Slayer Queen to all the titles Usum used to less complimentary terms. And Nicodemus certainly doesnt appreciate Dresden calling his group the Nickelheads.


3)The supernatural community has apparently referred to the Emissary of the Sin Eater as the Dragon for all of the 20th century at a minimum; Samuel was chosen in 1905, which is 102 years ago. Possibly longer; the Sin Eater has had mortal representatives back into pre-history, and we dont know if Samuel inherited the name from them.

Thats a lot of inertia.
I dont expect that to change just because we may find the name tacky. After all, the head of the White Council goes around being called Merlin, and that was an actual person's name.
 
So now that this adventure is over lets start talking exp expenditures.

I am thinking we go full sorcerers and by however many usefull path of sorcery as we can, like summoning, divination and fate sorcery.
 
Acolyte said:
So now that this adventure is over lets start talking exp expenditures.

I am thinking we go full sorcerers and by however many usefull path of sorcery as we can, like summoning, divination and fate sorcery.
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Charms we might want. Only showing stuff that would have been useful in the pervious arc there are a lot of charms that might be useful so I am limiting myself.

Golden Years Tarnished Black (••) 6 XP Powerful social charm against anyone or any group we hate. Most importantly doesn't cost essence to use. So next time we are relaxing a ice bleach bath calling numbers we can use it.


Shadow Spite Curse (••) 6XP Also free to use. Also we can use it well being carried around in a bleach glass. Be a selective bad luck charm.


False Springs Beckon (•••) 9XP Awesome minion recruitment and care. Surpress Thomas's weakness to love. Replace addictions to drugs with an a addiction to serving Molly. Recruit Steven Hawking by getting him out of his wheelchair.


Night Swallows Secrets (•••) 9XP You know how Molly appeared on TV this arc? Get this charm if you want everyone to just avoid talking about it. We no longer have to worry about the masquerade at all even if we walk though town in giant sized Shintai form.


Inner Devils Unchained (••••) 12Xp We have been wanting to get a minion empowering charm for a long time and this is a great charm for it. Even just using this on a pack of attack dogs means that the multi attackers rules are on our side.


Black Mirror Incarnation (•••••) 15 XP The final word in disguise. Lasts much longer then ATP and we can disguise ourself as anyone. Then again not as urgent when we already have ATP.


When the Tigers Broke Free (••) 6 XP When we want a cage match. Once activated for 2 essence no one enters or leaves. Also stops anyone outside from realizing what is going on.


Violence is Worship (•••) 9 XP Allows for speed up essence recovery. Watch the news well in our bleach bath to recover 1 extra essence per scene.


Now getting out of the favored charms

Chirality Prohibition Index (•••) 12 Xp The infernal training charm. Syncs up really well with Lashes Lore of flesh together her and Molly can mass produce super solders. Lash could also use the training since she can't upgrade her own skills as easy as her attributes.



Fathomless Poison Haven (••) 8 XP Who needs to get a AOE attack? Get this charm bless our allies to be immune to all damage from liquids and just throw around Napalm or acid all over the place. Charm works great with alchemy.


Maggot Mana Plague (••) 8 Xp Good for feeding that WVamp who needs to eat suicidal people also anyone else with hard to meet dietary requirements.


Endless Torment Emanation (•••) 12 XP Would have allowed us to basically solve the whole Las Vegas plot line over the phone. Also those attacks and distractions would have failed from the attacker's own incompetence.


Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••) 20 XP Granting wishes is a good bribe. Also it would make me more comfortable if our party members had a safe words to instant retreat if they get in enough danger.
 
[X][Stunt]A spotlight forms in the ceiling shining down on your preferred pick. A throne only slightly less grand then your own raises from the ground.

We are still in Shintai might as well make use of it.
 
fictionfan said:
Charms we might want. Only showing stuff that would have been useful in the pervious arc there are a lot of charms that might be useful so I am limiting myself.

Golden Years Tarnished Black (••) 6 XP Powerful social charm against anyone or any group we hate. Most importantly doesn't cost essence to use. So next time we are relaxing a ice bleach bath calling numbers we can use it.


Shadow Spite Curse (••) 6XP Also free to use. Also we can use it well being carried around in a bleach glass. Be a selective bad luck charm.


False Springs Beckon (•••) 9XP Awesome minion recruitment and care. Surpress Thomas's weakness to love. Replace addictions to drugs with an a addiction to serving Molly. Recruit Steven Hawking by getting him out of his wheelchair.


Night Swallows Secrets (•••) 9XP You know how Molly appeared on TV this arc? Get this charm if you want everyone to just avoid talking about it. We no longer have to worry about the masquerade at all even if we walk though town in giant sized Shintai form.


Inner Devils Unchained (••••) 12Xp We have been wanting to get a minion empowering charm for a long time and this is a great charm for it. Even just using this on a pack of attack dogs means that the multi attackers rules are on our side.


Black Mirror Incarnation (•••••) 15 XP The final word in disguise. Lasts much longer then ATP and we can disguise ourself as anyone. Then again not as urgent when we already have ATP.


When the Tigers Broke Free (••) 6 XP When we want a cage match. Once activated for 2 essence no one enters or leaves. Also stops anyone outside from realizing what is going on.


Violence is Worship (•••) 9 XP Allows for speed up essence recovery. Watch the news well in our bleach bath to recover 1 extra essence per scene.


Now getting out of the favored charms

Chirality Prohibition Index (•••) 12 Xp The infernal training charm. Syncs up really well with Lashes Lore of flesh together her and Molly can mass produce super solders. Lash could also use the training since she can't upgrade her own skills as easy as her attributes.



Fathomless Poison Haven (••) 8 XP Who needs to get a AOE attack? Get this charm bless our allies to be immune to all damage from liquids and just throw around Napalm or acid all over the place. Charm works great with alchemy.


Maggot Mana Plague (••) 8 Xp Good for feeding that WVamp who needs to eat suicidal people also anyone else with hard to meet dietary requirements.


Endless Torment Emanation (•••) 12 XP Would have allowed us to basically solve the whole Las Vegas plot line over the phone. Also those attacks and distractions would have failed from the attacker's own incompetence.


Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••) 20 XP Granting wishes is a good bribe. Also it would make me more comfortable if our party members had a safe words to instant retreat if they get in enough danger.
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Fortune sorcery is better than shadow spite curse and VEE.
all the minion charms are not a priority because we basically have all the minions.

We don't need a charm for AOE attack. get a grenade launcher.
 
fictionfan said:
Only showing stuff that would have been useful in the pervious arc
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You didn't bring up an AOE charm but that would've helped against Iku and the Outsider summons.
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Night Swallows Secrets
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You need to post the actual descriptions. What does "talk" mean? Can they write about it? Can they act on what they've seen even if they can't tell people why? Is it temporary? If yes to any of these the Masquerade gets breached.
 
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Acolyte said:
So now that this adventure is over lets start talking exp expenditures.

I am thinking we go full sorcerers and by however many usefull path of sorcery as we can, like summoning, divination and fate sorcery.
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Warding of Divine Ancestry for Lydia as the topmost priority, and either Bloodless Murk Evasion or Shadow Spite Curse for us. Alchemy 3 if we have the points. Eschaton Shintai after that if we have a lot of points and get to E4. WoDA for Lydia is so she has shaping defense - combined with the armor I designed for her (which boosts the charm directly) it gives her a near perfect shaping defense, which makes her much more dangerous in high level battles. Shadow Spite Curse for counter-everything and nemesis detection (and also signature effect when we can get it - only Crowned With Fury is more powerful, and we don't do enough shintai diplomacy for it to matter). Bloodless Murk evasion for perfect defense, but I don't think that's super important. Alchemy 3 for crafting materials at least. Eschaton Shintai to get it our of the way.
 
BoredMan said:
You need to post the actual descriptions. What does "talk" mean? Can they write about it? Can they act on what they've seen even if they can't tell people why? Is it permanent? If yes to any of these the Masquerade gets breached.
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Concentrating her will upon a crime or abhorrent
thing, the Infernal infuses it with a little bit of the cold,
unendurable Essence of the Night Realm. Henceforth, it
becomes nearly impossible to speak of the cursed subject.
System: The Infernal concentrates upon an upsetting, criminal, or otherwise negative and distressing act she witnesses or participates in, or the remnant evidence of that act, and then spends 2 Essence. Anyone who wishes to speak of the cursed event or evidence
must spend a Willpower point (representing their discomfort at pushing through the horrors of Kakuri that assault their psyche when they attempt to dwell upon
the cursed event) and then succeed at a Willpower roll
against difficulty 9 to do so. This curse lingers for a year and a day.
In summery no the charm does not go into exhaustive details about all the ways that it stops people from communicating, but I generally prefer to think that means a lack of word count. I feel that the reference to evidence supports that idea.
 
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BoredMan said:
Limited ammo, can't be brought everywhere, Molly has no dots in firearms, grenades are not effective against every creature and we can better leverage an AOE charm against the environment.
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It doesn't cost XP and essence to use tho and we have a world that we can just store it in alongside extra ammo.

The opportunity cost is too high.
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Shadow Spite Curse for counter-everything and nemesis detection (and also signature effect when we can get it - only Crowned With Fury is more powerful, and we don't do enough shintai diplomacy for it to matter)
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Fortune sorcery is better. We already saw how effective it can be and it also has the bonus over the curse that it can buff us as well.
 
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