I am meaning to ask "what actually happened from Charon's point of view?". This, by necessity, includes his motivations, I think. Essentially, a request for an overview of recent events from Charon's point of view.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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That works.
Yes, both of them.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
This would make a lot more sense.
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[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Everything he said seems to check out. He would have a hard time getting people to help him fight someone with Samuel's reputation and power. If he thought he was the only one who could stop him he'd take drastic measures. Still could be fudging the truth but he did save Harry which gives him the benefit of the doubt.
Had we talked to him earlier he might've been able to help us out somehow. We can ask a Crown question when we aren't in front of someone who may be able to detect it via recording later.
[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
Had we talked to him earlier he might've been able to help us out somehow. We can ask a Crown question when we aren't in front of someone who may be able to detect it via recording later.
[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Was he aware of that? He may not even know what that is.
[X] Use the crown on the current scene to learn the truth of Charon's story.
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
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[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
That went annoyingly quickly.
I wasn't suggesting that we stay in Vegas. I was of the mind that we get the Sin Eater on board, or dealt with, and we put someone who answers to us in charge.
[X] Use the crown on the current scene to learn the truth of Charon's story.
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
OctarineShrike
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[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
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Didnt stop Mab fucking him for it several books later.
There's a reason people have no issue with using Accord Neutral Areas with us, and dont worry about Molly pulling a "Im not a signatory" in order to start shit.
There's nothing that we did here that the same number of SOCOM troopers wielding grenade launchers with high-explosive rounds couldnt have done, along the lines of a M32 MGL.
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Or automatic shotguns with specialty explosive/incendiary rounds, along the lines of a Saiga-12 or Vepr-12.
Even the fear resistance was manageable with high-quality troops and pharmaceutical use.
At worst, a lesser sorcerer on counterspelling duty.
What was key was
None of those are things that are for sale for any price.
Potentially you have to pay weregeld, which, depending on who you kill, might get alarmingly high.
And there's the resultant loss of diplomatic face in the supernatural world, which makes our ability to work there worse.
Both times we went into Summer and Winter we went through channels: we spoke to the head honcho, and worked with and through them. Mab took care of her nobles, Titania took care of hers.
They called us in as a consultant and paid us for it.
We didnt waltz into Avalon and attempt to cut off the head of the stablemaster because he was Nemesis tainted.
The Redcap who got changed was reported to Mab via Dresden; we didnt try to run him down even though we did have at least some justification since he shot at us.
We didnt murder Vito Malvora of the White Court despite seeing his Outsider enlightenment.
Even now, we know that Simon Peabody is right there in the White Council, and we havent torn through the White Council to get at him either.
PS
If I forget remind me that we should make a priority to handle the Peabody thing in the next month or two.
Sandra's stunt here gives us the perfect excuse.
And I do not think Harrowmont has the mental or intestinal fortitude, let alone the life experience to pit wills with a major demon that we know has been here since pre-history. Or to manage Vegas for it. He doesnt have the training, people skill or connections to manage shadow!Vegas, and even in magic he'd be doing a ton of remedial work just to get up to scratch.
Given how Usum focused on him as being vulnerable to offers, thats a temptation I would spare him.
Of the people we've met?
Adkins has the knowledge and experience, but is already spoken for. So are Arlene and Mayeda.
Silk has experience managing supernaturals and dubious allies/bosses, plus mind magic that gives her an edge in managing people, and the Sin-Eater has the Power to manage her Lawbreaker issues.
But those selfsame issues that would put her at a disadvantage managing the Sin-Eater.
Little Tommy has experience wheeling and dealing in the supernatural, and in working with a hierarchy while keeping a code, but we dont know who his current patron is/where he gets his current power from.
The RPG says nothing definitive, just that the city speaks to him.
If I was forced to pick? It would be Silk or Tommy. Probably with a preference for Tommy over Silk because Tommy has the demonstrated people skills to manage a crew of hitters AND run an illegal business. Plus actual combat experience, which is not always necessary, but is critical when needed.
Fallback option is probably call the Library and see if they have a candidate.
We'd have brought the Reds, then summoned the soldiers after either the first or second attempted ambush.
There were multiple breakpoints to course correct with changing circumstances.
We are currently in Year 7. As of canon Turn Coat, which is Year 10, the Wardens had rebuilt their numbers to around 300 fulltime troops.Globally.
If the Sin-Eater picked Harrowmont? He can train him himself or find someone to do so.
Lea trained Molly after Dresden's death, Odin trained the Merlin and the Valkyries, and Elaine finished her magical education in the Summer Court. Listens to Wind allegedly received magical training from River Shoulders.
Getting supernaturals who can train mortal magic users is something with established history in the Dresdenverse.
But I dont think Harrowmont has any of the skillsets to do that job. Not the magical side, or the people managing side, or the economic side. Nor do I think he'd enjoy being at the beck and call of the Sin-Eater either.
If he's wise, he'd refuse the offer if it was made.
Nicodemus Archleone wasnt part of the Accords when he tried to kidnap the Archive when she was performing Accord duties.
Didnt stop Mab fucking him for it several books later.
There's a reason people have no issue with using Accord Neutral Areas with us, and dont worry about Molly pulling a "Im not a signatory" in order to start shit.
There was no paradigm shift.
There's nothing that we did here that the same number of SOCOM troopers wielding grenade launchers with high-explosive rounds couldnt have done, along the lines of a M32 MGL.
Milkor MGL - Wikipedia
Even the fear resistance was manageable with high-quality troops and pharmaceutical use.
At worst, a lesser sorcerer on counterspelling duty.
What was key was
- We had someone who could tank almost 20 dice of Agg damage at point blank range to focus the enemy tank's attention
- A dedicated Council-tier counterspeller to counterspell
- Multiple people capable of killing Outsiders
None of those are things that are for sale for any price.
You have to give what you took back at the very minimum.
Potentially you have to pay weregeld, which, depending on who you kill, might get alarmingly high.
And there's the resultant loss of diplomatic face in the supernatural world, which makes our ability to work there worse.
Like I said, precedent matters.
Respectfully, thats not true.
Both times we went into Summer and Winter we went through channels: we spoke to the head honcho, and worked with and through them. Mab took care of her nobles, Titania took care of hers.
They called us in as a consultant and paid us for it.
We didnt waltz into Avalon and attempt to cut off the head of the stablemaster because he was Nemesis tainted.
The Redcap who got changed was reported to Mab via Dresden; we didnt try to run him down even though we did have at least some justification since he shot at us.
We didnt murder Vito Malvora of the White Court despite seeing his Outsider enlightenment.
Even now, we know that Simon Peabody is right there in the White Council, and we havent torn through the White Council to get at him either.
PS
If I forget remind me that we should make a priority to handle the Peabody thing in the next month or two.
Sandra's stunt here gives us the perfect excuse.
Nope. I dont get the impression that the Sin-Eater is gentle.
And I do not think Harrowmont has the mental or intestinal fortitude, let alone the life experience to pit wills with a major demon that we know has been here since pre-history. Or to manage Vegas for it. He doesnt have the training, people skill or connections to manage shadow!Vegas, and even in magic he'd be doing a ton of remedial work just to get up to scratch.
Given how Usum focused on him as being vulnerable to offers, thats a temptation I would spare him.
Of the people we've met?
Adkins has the knowledge and experience, but is already spoken for. So are Arlene and Mayeda.
Silk has experience managing supernaturals and dubious allies/bosses, plus mind magic that gives her an edge in managing people, and the Sin-Eater has the Power to manage her Lawbreaker issues.
But those selfsame issues that would put her at a disadvantage managing the Sin-Eater.
Little Tommy has experience wheeling and dealing in the supernatural, and in working with a hierarchy while keeping a code, but we dont know who his current patron is/where he gets his current power from.
The RPG says nothing definitive, just that the city speaks to him.
If I was forced to pick? It would be Silk or Tommy. Probably with a preference for Tommy over Silk because Tommy has the demonstrated people skills to manage a crew of hitters AND run an illegal business. Plus actual combat experience, which is not always necessary, but is critical when needed.
Fallback option is probably call the Library and see if they have a candidate.
Not really.
We'd have brought the Reds, then summoned the soldiers after either the first or second attempted ambush.
There were multiple breakpoints to course correct with changing circumstances.
The White Council does not have the forces to spend.
We are currently in Year 7. As of canon Turn Coat, which is Year 10, the Wardens had rebuilt their numbers to around 300 fulltime troops.Globally.
She rolled down the passenger-side window and let one hand hang out. "It's a problem because you never learned how to adjust inside someone else's order," she said. "If you had, you'd realize what an incredible force you have working on your side."
"The A-Team?"
"Bureaucracy," Murphy said.
"I would rather have the A-Team."
"Listen and learn, maverick," Murphy said. "The Wardens are an organization, right?"
"Yeah."
"Lots of members."
"Almost three hundred and growing," I said.
"Lots of members who all have many obligations, who live in different areas, who speak different languages, but who have to communicate and work together somehow?"
"Yeah."
"The A-Team?"
"Bureaucracy," Murphy said.
"I would rather have the A-Team."
"Listen and learn, maverick," Murphy said. "The Wardens are an organization, right?"
"Yeah."
"Lots of members."
"Almost three hundred and growing," I said.
"Lots of members who all have many obligations, who live in different areas, who speak different languages, but who have to communicate and work together somehow?"
"Yeah."
If the Sin-Eater picked Harrowmont? He can train him himself or find someone to do so.
Lea trained Molly after Dresden's death, Odin trained the Merlin and the Valkyries, and Elaine finished her magical education in the Summer Court. Listens to Wind allegedly received magical training from River Shoulders.
Getting supernaturals who can train mortal magic users is something with established history in the Dresdenverse.
But I dont think Harrowmont has any of the skillsets to do that job. Not the magical side, or the people managing side, or the economic side. Nor do I think he'd enjoy being at the beck and call of the Sin-Eater either.
If he's wise, he'd refuse the offer if it was made.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Who says? As said before by many many people there is no court. If we don't agree then they have to come and take it and no one is going to help the Reds do it.
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Put yourself in her shoes, it's not like she thought she had options.
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Uh, he was a signatory.
Pulling that shit got him Mab's enmity and directly was the cause for his downfall in the book Skin Game.