Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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It is not, though you can also use items that in WoD would contain Tas like Lily's tears as a base for Splendors, just without the intermediary mage systems that do not do anything in this context.
Cool thank you I was trying to figure out how tass worked and got three contradictory answers in the book (Mage 20th) so just thought I'd ask.
Do we have any surviving people who Sandra implanted commands in we can use to track down anyone else she implanted commands in?
I doubt that her Masters burned her without first having her exploit her talents to the fullest to leave time bombs behind.
Another thought. If Sandra has Infernal investments her dark masters probably have a remote kill switch like akuma do. What motivation would they have not to trigger it?
I doubt that her Masters burned her without first having her exploit her talents to the fullest to leave time bombs behind.
Another thought. If Sandra has Infernal investments her dark masters probably have a remote kill switch like akuma do. What motivation would they have not to trigger it?
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Yup, Tommy's people including the man himself.
That is another reason to tell the LoC that there are loose ends to follow up on, as we may need to follow up with telling them of state or federal officials or officers who'll need to be dealt with.
This is quite urgent is case Sandra had any Plan B or Cs to trigger lesser disasters in case her main plan failed.
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1) It's not like we can tell who's in on what can we? As far as they know anyway. We're kicking the faction that was involved out, because there's no need to take a risk we missed someone.1) If you assert that Dresden working for Mab is a Winter matter despite his being a White Council wizard?
Then the Dragon as Sin-Eater Emissary is not a Red Court matter, because he was not acting for the Red Court.
At least, thats what they'll argue.
Certainly, if we judged that good faith efforts to intervene were enough, Jeremy Bouchard's information when told and assembly of a 16-person assault group would have been enough to absolve the Red Court of any responsibility.
You obviously dont think so.
2)While the Red Court do not give the Dragon orders?
They did invest in this city on his invitation. The RPG says Red Court money did much of the heavy lifting of building this place.
Plus, there's the simple matter of face.Its not like Cleveland, where they had no previous presence.
Getting kicked out of a city they've been in for a century by girl who doesnt even have a right to the city is a very different matter, especially in such a high profile place.
3) None of the other factions would be helping the Red Court, or acting out of the goodness of their hearts; they are avoiding precedents that can be used against them. Those people who file amicus briefs on behalf of criminals and corporations(but I repeat myself) often are not fans of either.
But precedents dont care.
4) They certainly dont appear to think so, judging by the Red Court contingent in this city. We didnt behave like it either, when we invited ourselves to the apartment of a member of their nobility.
We are hostile to each other. We'll undermine each other if we can.
But we are not at war. Sanctuary is not at war with the Red Court. Certainly not openly.
More truthfully the point is to screw over the red court who is an enemy of ours. We just need the excuse for shivving them, and it doesn't have to hold up in court because they're not going to sue us.
The difference is that the red court doesn't have a shield of necessity and are generally worse for mortals than the fey. Hurting them as an institution is the point, I want excuses to do that more and not less.
2) They have bigger fish to fry at this point. I genuinely believe that the major powers aren't going to have an interest an anyone starting a war in this place after it's stable again. They'll get little to no support because we don't live in any sort of legal system that enforces rules about this. We could harvest all their souls and leave town without doing anything that would require and Accorded signatory to help them.
3) To be blunt about it, this isn't a courtroom and being unfair is expected. Nobody is going to be citing precedent from the reds to deal with winter. If the sin eater kicks them out instead of us any resources they'd send to defend their investments would be spent doing so anyway.
4) This just seems like an extension of that really. If you don't want to call it a war fine, but we are stabbing each other where convenient.
Overall I want to hurt them and their interests. I think we can do this so that it's over before they can respond, at which point attempting to move on the issue will present openings to either us or the council.
If that takes us from totally not a war to war then so be it.
The only way you're likely going to talk me around on this is to present something specific that hurts the red court worse than doing this.
Vote closed.
Just thinking about it, what does Molly look like to a reasonably informed outsider:
She radiates a massive amount of Yomi energy.
She summons and implants Cyberdevils in things.
She has had a significant conflict with Emma-O (who is locked in perpetual war with Mikaboshi).
She has traded helltech to the White Council.
She has just deployed a force of cyber-bakemono.
She has a shintai form, very much like a Wan Kuei
She must look a lot like a Greater Akuma of Mikaboshi. Given he was apparently a mortal mage before his ascension as a Yama King, he could either have worked out how to break Yi's Curse, or how to make wizards into greater akuma.
Her presence in both Chicago and particularly Las Vegas would make sense in that context. The Lord of the Wicked City could well want to expand his influence in both.
I wouldn't be surprised if he sends an emissary soon.
More particularly, it means that if the Red Courr objects to our behaviour here, it has to take account of the fact that we may be the agent of one of the most powerful Yama Kings, and do they really want to escalate a fight with him.
She radiates a massive amount of Yomi energy.
She summons and implants Cyberdevils in things.
She has had a significant conflict with Emma-O (who is locked in perpetual war with Mikaboshi).
She has traded helltech to the White Council.
She has just deployed a force of cyber-bakemono.
She has a shintai form, very much like a Wan Kuei
She must look a lot like a Greater Akuma of Mikaboshi. Given he was apparently a mortal mage before his ascension as a Yama King, he could either have worked out how to break Yi's Curse, or how to make wizards into greater akuma.
Her presence in both Chicago and particularly Las Vegas would make sense in that context. The Lord of the Wicked City could well want to expand his influence in both.
I wouldn't be surprised if he sends an emissary soon.
More particularly, it means that if the Red Courr objects to our behaviour here, it has to take account of the fact that we may be the agent of one of the most powerful Yama Kings, and do they really want to escalate a fight with him.
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I agree with the general idea, but I don't think she'd scan as an Akuma in the Jade sense or necessarily as some new trick he invented.
Primarily because it's possible for other people to engage in soul commerce and in lore always has been. They just usually don't have as much to offer and so don't get offered as good a deal.
If it looks like a mortal chock full of hell power without also being undead it's probably a diabolist either immediately before or immediately after the deal that will finally lose them majority control of their soul.
I think a smaller time Yama king would make more sense to an IC observer of this type though. The thousand hells aren't the strongest group around, but even a relatively weaker prince of hell is still a prince of hell. They have untold ages of human suffering and tainted knowledge to employ when empowering someone if willing to commit the resources.
Mikaboshi could be the one to do it but he doesn't have to be, and he's a much more well known actor because he's pretty active. If he suddenly managed to free up the power for another greater servant from whatever he's using it for right now there's been plenty of time for people to get a feel for what he'd do with them.
Sure he'd take Chicago if he could get it, but it'd be way more convenient for him to push into major cities closer to his area of influence that he still lack full control of. Places like Ho Chi Min City, Jakarta, or Seoul*.
A smaller operator investing a higher relative percentage of their resources into gambling on one player could fit though. By definition less would be known about them and it's conceivable that someone losing ground at home might gamble on winning a fight against people unfamiliar with how to handle them for long enough to establish a serious foothold.
* The wiki doesn't go into the greatest detail, but it makes it sound like his areas of greatest temporal influence are Hong Kong, Taipei, Tokyo, and Bangkok. Presumably the other major cities, in particular the major global ones, around the same region are areas he's fighting to gain majority control in.
If there's a particular reason one of these particular examples doesn't make sense the principle still holds. Sydney Australia is less of a logistical headache for him than Chicago is.
Arc 11 Post 98: Ferryman's Telling
Ferryman's Telling
13th of January 2007 A.D.
"Yes, yes I could use some help," you speak with far more confidence than you feel, perhaps with more speed than is wise. The dragon's treason and Sandra's purges had made a right mess of Vegas and God only knows how the Red Court, still smarting from Duchess' Arianna's death would take a full purge. But on the other hand... What would Dad do? There is a reason the Knights did not sign the Accords. Sometimes doing the right thing means taking a risk and not just the kind that involves being wreathed in blood-flame. "There are more loose ends..." you sigh, realizing you are using euphemisms on the phone. "Vampires, Red Court, I do not think the survivors are directly involved but they are disorganized and leaderless."
"Ah..." she breathes. "Let is not be said that fortune does not smile from time to time. Madame Silk the proprietor of the Xanadu has agreed to shift her allegiance to a more worthy cause, ours. The removal of her former patron would be most appreciated." For a moment you are surprised to hear 'madame', she had always used 'Miss' or 'Ms' before. Then you realize she's being technical about Silk's former job which makes you very glad it's hard to notice a blush on cheeks made of brass.
"I'll be in touch," you say in parting before before raising your eyes back to the patiently waiting still not as stone, but shadow. Should one pass him on a dimly lit alley the eye light slip away mistaking the cloak of a coat and the hood belonging to a hoodie. So it might have been on busy London streets when the ships went out on all the oceans of the world, or in the alleyways of Venice when the Black Plague still roamed in verminous form so indeed it might have been in Athens before Rome was a pasture. Whatever this being is he is mightier than any specter, he does not cower before your burning gaze, nor Lydia's lantern-bright eyes.
Is this then a god, or something that had once been worshiped of old with coins weighing down the eyes of the dead. It would not surprise you as much as it might once have done, but it does make you wary. Essence you took back at the point of the sword, but you're tired. Your bones feel like lead and all you want to do is sleep.
"What did you mean a price was asked of you, by whom?" you ask, pleasantly enough, though making it clear you're in no mood for chitchat.
"If I say fate again then you will not believe it, for what does a bird in the mountains know of the currents of the ocean?" the spectral voice answered. "I had my place and my time to act, this was the place but not the time."
"When was the time then?" Lydia presses before you can . "What more atrocity must be commit?"
"Midnight," the specter answered plainly.
"When the gate burst open and and Those Beyond could march to the howling of desert winds?" you ask, as much in shock that he would admit to that as horror at the thing itself.
"Many would seek to parse time, like the thresher separating the good seed from the ill, but as in all such instances the apportioning is in the eye of the beholder. This sundering rite was aligned with the march of stars seen and unseen to the witching hour. Yet when Samuel bargained that my hand and my will could not move against him he did so by what was nearest, the hands of a watch, old and much beloved, but lacking precision. In those liminal moments I would have been free to act against him and his confederate as they approached the paroxysm of their rite."
"Why would be let you in to his sanctum?" you ask, fighting the urge to grind your teeth. Trying to read him was like trying to wring emotions from a still of film reel exposed until all one could see was the shape of the actors.
"A desire to gloat is common among those who think they are upon the cusp of avoiding fate," comes the answer, no different in tone and inflection from anything he has said before.
Tiffany's wings ruffle as she looks up from examining Harry's wounds. "Mayhap that was the reason of his heart Ferryman, but I have known many a damned and those quick to listen to their heart over their heads did not grow so mighty as your Samuel. Why did he judge that it was safe to have you here in the place of his power, in the moment of his treachery."
The hooded head moves, it can't have been more than half an inch, but so still had the spectral figure been before that this might as well have been snapping his head towards her in surprise.
"Sharp pierce the eyes of the Seducer, even when they are borrowed." A gust of cold air passes though the room, the winter winds over waters almost-frozen. "He knew that I had played host to the Hollow One you slew in the temple of the Sun and thought me aligned with those... akin to his masters, by trickery or treachery."
"You aided the vampire in order to get the Dragon and Sandra to lower their guard?" you cut in more sharply than before.
"Without the leverage of the moment I had not the might to see their working undone and I was the last with any hope of doing so."
He could have rallied the others, Arlene, Big Corey, he could have summoned winter, the recriminations almost slip out, but looking now at the dark shape against the backdrop of your light whom even the Agents of the Hand don't want to get to close to you have to admit he doesn't seem like a leader or a messenger. Perhaps he could not, perhaps the thought had never crossed his mind. And he has saved Harry, at least a great deal of pain, at most his life. Is that enough to take him at his word?
[] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
-[] ...but you would rather he leave now, your business is done
[] No, press for more answers
-[] Write in
[] Write in
OOC: Enjoy
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Call it Opportunist or call it a Deus Ex Machina, either way, the story checks out, and we can't afford to make more enemies than we've already committed to. He could have waited if he was genuinely a foe playing fuckfuck games, and Harry likely would have died or been crippled. He chose to act. That's not nothing, even if it's hardly a shining badge of endorsement.
He gets to have a Say, no more, no less.
[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
He gets to have a Say, no more, no less.
[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
Rolls
What is he vs Opposed (You do not know, but you do know DPE does not apply)
Reading him Socially vs Opposed (Nope, all you are geting is spooky)
Lets see if anyone else can do it...
Lydia (Nope but Authority of the Psychopomp does apply)
Lash: Lore -> Roll High Torrment buffs do it
What is he vs Opposed (You do not know, but you do know DPE does not apply)
Reading him Socially vs Opposed (Nope, all you are geting is spooky)
Lets see if anyone else can do it...
Lydia (Nope but Authority of the Psychopomp does apply)
Lash: Lore -> Roll High Torrment buffs do it
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I'm not sure I believe him, but it is possible at least. A poorly made bargain can tie a spirit in all sorts of weird knots.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] Use the crown on the current scene to learn the motivations of Charon's story.
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
The truth of it doesn't really matter that much we are making a judgement on Charon. Also with how vague he is being an answer of if he is telling the truth or not tells us nothing.
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
The truth of it doesn't really matter that much we are making a judgement on Charon. Also with how vague he is being an answer of if he is telling the truth or not tells us nothing.
[X] Use the crown on the current scene to learn the truth of Charon's story.
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
How about this then
[X] Use the crown on the current scene to learn the truth of Charon's story, his motivations included.
-[X] If he is truthful, then you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
@DragonParadox would this be a viable question?
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/They
[X] Yes, you believe Charon...
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
My instinctive spite reaction towards anyone and anything being deliberately cryptic aside, he did do us a solid. I don't really think this is worth the Essence for a Crown question.
At least his advice will have to be less cryptic, and depending on how he gives it, maybe even his reasoning for it.
-[X] ...and you are thankful for his aid, perhaps he will offer more counsel on how to deal with the aftermath
My instinctive spite reaction towards anyone and anything being deliberately cryptic aside, he did do us a solid. I don't really think this is worth the Essence for a Crown question.
At least his advice will have to be less cryptic, and depending on how he gives it, maybe even his reasoning for it.
That is a bit too broad for a question. Do you want to ask: 'Is what he said is true?' or 'What are his motives?'
Incidentally, this is another reason to get RtF; resource reserves are one thing, but it also makes moving a restful activity for Molly.
Arranged right she'd have a second full refresh every day and never get mentally or physically tired.