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You can make godlike being through ritual sacrifice at 5 dots? I know you definitely can't do demonreach with 5 dots.
I'm fairly sure ebyy can do the volcano thing whenever he wants. Mind you I doubt he can spam it.
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I'm fairly sure ebyy can do the volcano thing whenever he wants. Mind you I doubt he can spam it.
That's a stupid substitution; why should thralls get a better effect out of their powers than actual demons? Getting 5 faith is significantly harder than 5 willpower.
That's fair, but it does feel like this feature keeps taking more and more nerfs as time goes on.
We went from potentially permanently reshaping reality to the point where we might've accidentally infected earth's biosphere with demonic bacteria, to temporary but we can still make it hostile, to having our eyes on someone in range and not being able to use it for anything but fluff for what it feels like when they curse us.
We already need to balance making it rain liquid oxygen against bringing allies who wouldn't appreciate that either, so it's not exactly without its issues already. Especially on the scale of other celestials. For less investment a solar can ignore perfect defenses and Abyssals can do this:
I'm trying not to get too salty about this, but I feel sort of responsible because I helped sell people on the idea of this signature on the initial premise we were working with.
It's also kind of hard not to look at other exalts inching closer to inevitability and wonder what we're supposed to be good for when we have to file a legal brief while burning a pile of rare resources for the privilege of half the capacity everyone else rolls out of bed with.
This isn't new territory for us, but areas I'd thought were cornerstones of how we'd keep pace seem to be falling apart faster every time they come up.
We already need to balance making it rain liquid oxygen against bringing allies who wouldn't appreciate that either, so it's not exactly without its issues already. Especially on the scale of other celestials. For less investment a solar can ignore perfect defenses and Abyssals can do this:
For the same essence/willpower spend an Abyssal could have opened this fight with an excellency int+occult vs target willpower to remove Sandra's loyalty, the dragon's transformation, or the air's breathability.They could do that every fight because it's not locked behind a limited transformation.
I'm trying not to get too salty about this, but I feel sort of responsible because I helped sell people on the idea of this signature on the initial premise we were working with.
It's also kind of hard not to look at other exalts inching closer to inevitability and wonder what we're supposed to be good for when we have to file a legal brief while burning a pile of rare resources for the privilege of half the capacity everyone else rolls out of bed with.
This isn't new territory for us, but areas I'd thought were cornerstones of how we'd keep pace seem to be falling apart faster every time they come up.
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A combination of prime and Spirit probably both at five or maybe higher, but archmages are like gods and not mab level but of mother winter level most of them. I would say that for making something like that you would need to be a lesser archmage with your arcana at 6 or 7
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As disappointing as she is and not showing it off mab can still cause a world winter that kills off the majority of humanity.
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An archmage with 6 arcane could also pull It off too.
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An Archmage of Forces can see in all levels of the electromagnetic light spectrum; from microwaves to gamma radiation. They are immune to all forms of radiation, and can reach into a pit of lava or cauldron molten metal and not even get singed. They can speak and hear in the UL and UH frequencies. They are immune to electricity from static to lightning, to dynamic. An archmage can move at the speed of light, and mimic any sound perfectly. An Archmage of Forces can create a black hole if they wish. They can create an explosion equal to the energy output of a solar flare, or bend the earth's magnetic field to their will.
Ed2: If we fight this guys we would need first perfect defenses and attacks and probably more charms and attributes.
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In fairness an archmage also has to deal with consensus and can't come onto earth easily that's not really an issue for mab or wizards here. I don't think the 5 dot spheres is enough for darkhallow stuff at least. Mind you it definitely is an issue for the mothers they wog destabilize reality if they come out of the nevernever. Given they are some level way above the world ending power of mab and her sister.
Remember that it basically relied on cheating using an Incarnae.
The idea was to wait until the barrier to the spirit world was it it's thinnest, then summon the Erlking to do the heavy lifting. His big trick is pulling up the spirits of hunters and giving them form for a night, and he would do that immediately once in the mortal world.
So you set off a murder ritual to prime the pump, then punk one arrogant fey lord who won't see it coming and eat all the spirits he calls. The vacuum from that is what would pull in the lives of the people in the city to really fuel the ascension.
It's a very impressive piece of work, but if the cornerstone of your ritual is to trick a specific god with specific known weaknesses into fucking up and doing most of the work I don't think it's existence is exactly an indicator of personal ability to eat a city.
Dresden can cast it, so unless he's an archmage now it's clearly cheating really hard to get where it's going.
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I mean just about any god would do from what we know. I was also more thinking the creation of the ritual at all. Cause making gods is not. 5 dot thing. Not gods on that level. Wog cowl would have been around Mab strong if the killing of Chicago and the erkling worked. This is technically also a repeatable ritual.
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Also isn't the fact that it's dummy proof repeatable god maker more impressive than less?
The point was that the result isn't the only measure to use here because well designed rituals let you do more than you otherwise could.
The core of this one is to deal with the "you must be this tall to ride" requirement for making a mantle like this by arranging the best possible circumstances and getting someone else to do all the heavy lifting.
It's also not something just any god could do, that's why they kept fighting over the one book on Erlking detailed enough to pin a ritual to. He commands spirits of hunters dead and alive like Mab commands ice, and they couldn't reach deep enough to kick things off without that ability.
Otherwise the people who already knew the god ritual would have gone to different cities and raced for godhood independently.
An archmage would just do the part that they needed the Erlking for themselves.
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I'm fairly sure most gods would do the problem is you know getting the opportunity to sacrifice said gods which is the problem.
He was never on the menu; they were just going to eat his groupies after he left or they banished him.
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Yep, name checks out.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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[X] Kill the False Dragon, Wyld-Curse or no you are going to rip his head off and throw it at the feet of his masters
-[X] Activate Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy (•••••) for 1 mote to make yourself immune.
[X] Help kill the Lesser Outsiders, unlike Sandra or even the Dragon those things will not die when shot
-[X]Murder is meat. You could use a refill
[X]Focus on protecting Harry and your agents and let them handle the fire power.
All good options.
-[X] Activate Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy (•••••) for 1 mote to make yourself immune.
[X] Help kill the Lesser Outsiders, unlike Sandra or even the Dragon those things will not die when shot
-[X]Murder is meat. You could use a refill
[X]Focus on protecting Harry and your agents and let them handle the fire power.
All good options.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Uh ya. A bit worried about how much damage the dragon might do to the rest of our group, but I am also worried what the outsiders might do to our group.
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[X] Kill the False Dragon, Wyld-Curse or no you are going to rip his head off and throw it at the feet of his masters
-[X] Activate Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy (•••••) for 1 mote to make yourself immune.
[X] Help kill the Lesser Outsiders, unlike Sandra or even the Dragon those things will not die when shot
-[X]Murder is meat. You could use a refill
-[X] Activate Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy (•••••) for 1 mote to make yourself immune.
[X] Help kill the Lesser Outsiders, unlike Sandra or even the Dragon those things will not die when shot
-[X]Murder is meat. You could use a refill
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Offhand what are all the nerfs and rulings we've received on our budget reality marble?
Point of correction:
Your quote is from Mage The Awakening, not Mage The Ascension.
Different game. Different rules.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Our reality Marble works best when we actually stunt it. It is powerful, but we the players have to put in the work. That is the only real mechanical support the description really gives.
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If we can't use it for disastrous effects what even the point of having it?
What do you mean Forge Ephemera is a Spirit 5 effect? The Spheres aren't meant to represent power the ment to represent knowledge and understanding this is why I constantly say no Sandra is not an archmage. The power of the spirit you make using Forge ephemera of the spirit five power is dependent on the successes you have in the role to make it not on the level of sphere you use. Only the Force sphere increases the power of an effect and even that is you can affect a larger area with the same concentration of power rather than just an actual increase in general might.
Ephemera is another word for Spirit and all gods are spirits in world of Darkness.
Edit: don't get me wrong it's a Master Level effect to make a new God except it's not really is it because it's the direct sacrifice of a bunch of already spiritual entities into a already spiritual soul to elevate it to the form of heightened ephemera it's a transmutation of the body into a spiritual form which can be done with Spirit 3 and Life 3.
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In fairness it's a repeatable ascension ritual and makes decently powerful deities by most standards. Given df gods seem to work on a different scale and so obviously ignores a lot of that seeing as big D dragons according to butcher can destroy the universe their in.
That is true it's a really impressive ritual it's just when people call things like that archmastery they're really under selling what that actually means.
Archmastery of the sphere of spirit allows for the creation of new spirit realms and new kinds of spirits. It is the realm of making things like archetypal Spirits like shmoop ( a made-up concept like spiritual Thunder satiation) and a new category of spirits would pop up around this category of spiritual phenomenon that you have just made. As well as things like making Yggdrasil eight spiritual Realms anchored to the prime material realm that's how you do it Arch spheres of spirit. Then if that's not enough maybe you want to make heaven on Earth so you find a Divine realm or spiritual realm and you collapse the ephemeral barrier between Earth and that Realm.