Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

It isn't she's essentially threw down a wind of chaos. It favors her true but it really doesn't affect anything but probability if we raise walls all around her and to try to crush her into the ground we will fail do through Misfortune rather than lack of ability. Also that isn't what we're doing the world takes on appearances informs like our soul but it's not actually an overlaying of the two places.

Not quite, whenever you flare your Anima that is actually Molly's soul spilling over. Otherwise yes, she screwed probability in that sphere around the Dragon, does not take away your bonuses.

I think, mechanically, this should have a pretty tiny radius around Sarah.

That's ten yards at most, unless you are playing with Lore Mastery, which would be quite extreme on a mortal.

Edit: Also the baseline version would hinder herself and everyone else on her side too, except for using Lores.

It is not around her it's around the dragon, but otherwise yeah 4 ft is radius, 8 ft in diameter, the dragon has to curl up to stay inside it. It does not seem affected by reality cracking.

How big is the room?

Can we simply move outside the range of the effect?

Are the Outsiders affected by the "sunlight"-mcguffin?

The room is about 120 ft in diameter and about 100 ft high. You can easily move outside the effect, the thing is literally a shield for the Dragon and he is rather large. If you are not trying to hit him you are fine, the problem is more, he can stay where he is and breathe... 18 dice worth of fire or potentially more at the people below.
 
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The room is about 120 ft in diameter and about 100 ft high. You can easily move outside the effect, the thing is literally a shield for the Dragon and he is rather large. If you are not trying to hit him you are fine, the problem is more, he can stay where he is and breathe... 18 dice worth of fire or potentially more at the people below.
So we need to keep him engaged to protect the people with us.

Is the area hostile/blighted enough to count for TLF, since we engage the dragon to protect our people? :p
 
So, she has an instant cast spell that is just straight up "Everyone but slaves of monsters from beyond reality just Can't Do Shit, no save it just works".

Yeah, she is definitely an Archmage, especially since she's apparently just packing shit that's normally reserved for ancient world forging monsters. Raid bosses for bloody Demons.

"One permanent willpower" is not a huge cost when you're already dealing with things that can just will your losses back to you apparently.

I mean, yes, she needs to be This Good to be a world ending threat, but I wish we had some kind of hint that this was actually costing them something, instead of just "Lol we could have won at any time, we just didn't because... Uh, we didn't feel like it."
 
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So, she has an instant cast spell that is just straight up "Everyone but slaves of monsters from beyond reality just Can't Do Shit, no save it just works".

Yeah, she is definitely an Archmage, especially since she's apparently just packing shit that's normally reserved for ancient world forging monsters. Raid bosses for bloody Demons.
No she's a slave not an archmage that was an investment power not a sphere power she doesn't know or understand Jack and or shit on how to do that.
 
So, she has an instant cast spell that is just straight up "Everyone but slaves of monsters from beyond reality just Can't Do Shit, no save it just works".

Yeah, she is definitely an Archmage, especially since she's apparently just packing shit that's normally reserved for ancient world forging monsters. Raid bosses for bloody Demons.

"One permanent willpower" is not a huge cost when you're already dealing with things that can just will your losses back to you apparently.

I mean, yes, she needs to be This Good to be a world ending threat, but I wish we had some kind of hint that this was actually costing them something, instead of just "Lol we could have won at any time, we just didn't because... Uh, we didn't feel like it."

That is not a spell, that is something mortals are gifted, Molly can tell that at a glance.
 
No she's a slave not an archmage that was an investment power not a sphere power she doesn't know or understand Jack and or shit on how to do that.

Doesn't mean it isn't still setting shatteringly busted. "+4 DC to everyone, no save just fuck you"

That is not a spell, that is something mortals are gifted, Molly can tell that at a glance.

That's better I guess, it's still absolutely cracked of course. Something this absurd should have been ringing the alarm bells, since it's well beyond what Nemesis should be able to smuggle into Creation, which suggests they found a way around the Outer Gates to give it to her in the first place.

Because if they could just Invest their agents with shit like this, the Oblivion War would have been a hopeless cause, rather than a more even back and forth where the Venatori have been on an upward trend.
 
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Also do note she inflicted 1 dot of Permanent Willpower Damage on herself, probably not a trick one pulls at parties.

So?

If her patrons are able to award her stuff this cracked, (And this is far from the limits of the horseshit she's already displayed), they can just reward her with a replacement. Willpower is something that can be trained after all, not something that can never be recouped.

It's not a trivial cost, but it isn't what I'd call something you can't afford to pop once a year or so during a major operation.

It may look like I'm calling bullshit, I'm not, stuff like this should be on the table, but it should be a Major Plot Point that Raises Questions, not just "You can expect to run into stuff at least this scary if you're going to take on Outsiders." Because no servant of the Outsiders has ever exhibited something this cracked in the original material.
 
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So?

If her patrons are able to award her stuff this cracked, (And this is far from the limits of the horseshit she's already displayed), they can just reward her with a replacement. Willpower is something that can be trained after all.
Will power from an investment of the Outsider variety means that you don't actually have a mind anymore you can have an investment of willpower sure but The Outsiders are inherently corrosive if they are inside of your mind enough to affect your willpower track you don't have a will of your own anymore at which point any agent that possesses said investment is open and fair game for angels and swords of the Cross and maybe actually literally God.
 
So?

If her patrons are able to award her stuff this cracked, (And this is far from the limits of the horseshit she's already displayed), they can just reward her with a replacement. Willpower is something that can be trained after all.

Sure, they might, assuming she lives. The thing isn't called Sphere of Chaos due to the consistency of cost or effect, she could have paid that dot of willpower, failed the roll and gotten nothing... or she could have paid more. Let's just say she got lucky. The rolls would be spoiler-y.

Capture her and get her to talk if you want details.
 
If we kill her, does the curse end? She didn't cast it on herself after all, gank the buff mage first is a time-honored tradition.
 
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No, but as consolation you do get -1 to hit him because he is so large, that should factor into your plans as well.
We also have the King and Kingdom effect running.
So there's no reason why she doesnt have Boiling Sea Mastery, from her soul showering her with water/liquid.

So, she has an instant cast spell that is just straight up "Everyone but slaves of monsters from beyond reality just Can't Do Shit, no save it just works". Yeah, she is definitely an Archmage, especially since she's apparently just packing shit that's normally reserved for ancient world forging monsters. Raid bosses for bloody Demons.
Gonna note that this is explicitly why we bought EIPP: Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy.
Whenever the universe dares to mar the Infernal's immaculate and ideal self, she may exert her will to reset herself to her default state of perfection.

System: Whenever the character is the subject of any supernatural power that seeks to transform, infect, taint, transport, or control her body or spirit, she may reflexively spend 1 Essence or 1 Willpower and roll Willpower against difficulty 7. Success undoes the hostile magic before it can finish affecting the Infernal, protecting her completely, and immunizes her against repeated attempts to exert the same sort of influence for the rest of the scene. Alternately, the Infernal can spend 1 Essence to radically accelerate her healing for 24 hours. So long as she takes no strenuous activity, the Infernal heals all bashing damage or one level of lethal damage per 15 minutes of rest. An hour of rest mends one level of aggravated damage.
Hostile Shaping effects begone, or at least have no effects on Molly.

That said, yes, this is Archmage shit. You dont give this kind of Investment to scrubs.
And I doubt its the only thing she got.
That is not a spell, that is something mortals are gifted, Molly can tell that at a glance.
Oh sure. Only goes to people who can make use of it though.
And Lore of Chaos is an Earthbound Lore, so she is running this off her permanent Willpower score.
And thats assuming Mastery isnt in play.
 
It's not really, you still get your -1 from King and Kingdom and -1 from BSM as well as all your other more specific charm Diff reducers, it is just narrative painful to have your soul overlapping something calling Sphere of Chaos. Can't say much more Molly did not roll that well for perception
Did you include All Things Betray in that roll? We spent for exactly this type of thing. 8 DC when we have -5 in difficulty adjusters seems weird. Also if this is Occult the ones don't minus.
 
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So, she has an instant cast spell that is just straight up "Everyone but slaves of monsters from beyond reality just Can't Do Shit, no save it just works".

Yeah, she is definitely an Archmage, especially since she's apparently just packing shit that's normally reserved for ancient world forging monsters. Raid bosses for bloody Demons.

"One permanent willpower" is not a huge cost when you're already dealing with things that can just will your losses back to you apparently.

I mean, yes, she needs to be This Good to be a world ending threat, but I wish we had some kind of hint that this was actually costing them something, instead of just "Lol we could have won at any time, we just didn't because... Uh, we didn't feel like it."
Uju must be very presumptuous now. Because he was several pages ago warning that she was an archmage-level threat (even if it was due to investments instead of her having high spheres, which doesn't make much difference to me) and that we should be careful and everyone else denying this, for various reasons, or mocking his cowardice and that they could totally take Sandra alone and without preparation.

We must continue killing the Dragon, leaving Lydia and Harry with the minor Outsiders and Lash and our soldiers killing Sandra.
 
If its just effecting us then it doesn't matter. We win this fight. I an just surprised she got the effecr off. Why didn't lydia and lash pulp her in a round i doubt she can survive that kind of melee combat.

Also if this is an shaping effect then we should be immune. And it definitely is a shaping effect what with breaking reality.
Uju must be very presumptuous now. Because he was several pages ago warning that she was an archmage-level threat (even if it was due to investments instead of her having high spheres, which doesn't make much difference to me) and that we should be careful and everyone else denying this, for various reasons, or mocking his cowardice and that they could totally take Sandra alone and without preparation.



We must continue killing the Dragon, leaving Lydia and Harry with the minor Outsiders and Lash and our soldiers killing Sandra.
Not really, if it just a 8 foot square then its trivial power. Literally just step out.
 
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Uju must be very presumptuous now. Because he was several pages ago warning that she was an archmage-level threat (even if it was due to investments instead of her having high spheres, which doesn't make much difference to me) and that we should be careful and everyone else denying this, for various reasons, or mocking his cowardice and that they could totally take Sandra alone and without preparation.

We must continue killing the Dragon, leaving Lydia and Harry with the minor Outsiders and Lash and our soldiers killing Sandra.
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We also have the King and Kingdom effect running.
So there's no reason why she doesnt have Boiling Sea Mastery, from her soul showering her with water/liquid.


Gonna note that this is explicitly why we bought EIPP: Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy.
Whenever the universe dares to mar the Infernal's immaculate and ideal self, she may exert her will to reset herself to her default state of perfection.

System: Whenever the character is the subject of any supernatural power that seeks to transform, infect, taint, transport, or control her body or spirit, she may reflexively spend 1 Essence or 1 Willpower and roll Willpower against difficulty 7. Success undoes the hostile magic before it can finish affecting the Infernal, protecting her completely, and immunizes her against repeated attempts to exert the same sort of influence for the rest of the scene. Alternately, the Infernal can spend 1 Essence to radically accelerate her healing for 24 hours. So long as she takes no strenuous activity, the Infernal heals all bashing damage or one level of lethal damage per 15 minutes of rest. An hour of rest mends one level of aggravated damage.
Hostile Shaping effects begone, or at least have no effects on Molly.

That said, yes, this is Archmage shit. You dont give this kind of Investment to scrubs.
And I doubt its the only thing she got.

Oh sure. Only goes to people who can make use of it though.
And Lore of Chaos is an Earthbound Lore, so she is running this off her permanent Willpower score.
And thats assuming Mastery isnt in play.
I would argue this is exactly the kind of power you give important Fodder which is to say pieces that are mildly important but you don't mind sacrificing you know not ArchMages. Powers that if you're fortunate permanently reduces the functionality of your mind to an unknown possible consequence if you are unfortunate in that possibly the actual disintegration of your mind seems to suggest that this power is not something you would give anyone who you would hate to lose or whose loss of would be critical to your operation like say an archmage.
 
If its just effecting us then it doesn't matter. We win this fight. I an just surprised she got the effecr off. Why didn't lydia and lash pulp her in a round i doubt she can survive that kind of melee combat.

Also if this is an shaping effect then we should be immune. And it definitely is a shaping effect what with breaking reality.

Lydia's initiative was after Sandra, meaning she was on the other side of the room behind cover of the hourglass thing the outsiders came out of.
 
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