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Yog said:
We don't have time to do that, and our possible agents don't have acclimatization training to operate in this environment. Most of them probably don't know the language even.
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Doesn't matter. Have the sutra's download the language packs, have the ground vehicles set up in the acres of car parks that surround a club on the strip while the VTOLs orbit overhead a few hundred feet up.

That blocks external access to the club. If we need to guard access from tunnels beneath the club station a couple of cyber commandos at that entrance with orders to kill anything that comes out of them.

They don't need to be able to talk to people, they're terrifying enough that people who will try to get past a warning shot from them need killing,

We should have time to do it. Presumably Sanctuary has rapid reaction forces in standby.
 
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Alratan said:
Doesn't matter. Have the sutra's download the language packs, have the ground vehicles set up in the acres of car parks that surround a club on the strip while the VTOLs orbit overhead a few hundred feet up.

That blocks external access to the club. If we need to guard access from tunnels beneath the club station a couple of cyber commandos at that entrance with orders to kill anything that comes out of them.

They don't need to be able to talk to people, they're terrifying enough that people who will try to get past a warning shot from them need killing,

We should have time to do it. Presumably Sanctuary has rapid reaction forces in standby.
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One of the goals of Nemesis right now is breaking the Masquerade in a way that makes mundane population hostile to supernaturals. Having a group of combat sci-fi cyborg demons suddenly invade can easily be spun into problems for us.
 
Alratan said:
Doesn't matter. Have the sutra's download the language packs, have the ground vehicles set up in the acres of car parks that surround a club on the strip while the VTOLs orbit overhead a few hundred feet up.

That blocks external access to the club. If we need to guard access from tunnels beneath the club station a couple of cyber commandos at that entrance with orders to kill anything that comes out of them.

They don't need to be able to talk to people, they're terrifying enough that people who will try to get past a warning shot from them need killing,

We should have time to do it. Presumably Sanctuary has rapid reaction forces in standby.
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Yog said:
One of the goals of Nemesis right now is breaking the Masquerade in a way that makes mundane population hostile to supernaturals. Having a group of combat sci-fi cyborg demons suddenly invade can easily be spun into problems for us.
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Your agents are reasonably acclimated to Chicago, they speak English and understand the day to day cultural context of most things. Since they were selected to be spies they are also reasonably good at being inconspicuous. If you asked them to pretend to work for the US Government for instance they could make a decent attempt at it.
 
uju32 said:
We're looking at the fire sprinklers as the delivery system. And the VX is already in the water tank/reservoir that feeds them.
You dont wait until barely half an hour before your attack in order to attempt to move your bomb to the target.
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Degorium said:
If I might recommend adding something to the phone call about pulling out the smoke detectors so the sprinklers don't go off.
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Ahsskco nooooo. Fire sprinklers are not activated by alarm, honestly precisely because the industry is in fact aware that false alarms are a thing. Theyre activated via pure thermo-mechanical action where the individual sprinkler gets activated by heat. The only time when alarms come into play is for specific settings like server banks where you really really don't want to risk someone scraping the ceiling causing a bunch of water to come out where the system is set up so you need the mechanical actions AND a signal from the FACP to release water.

Also this means the sprinkler system should only shoot out water in the area where the heads are broken. Yeah someone could try and break everyone, but that means going around breaking everyone yourself (also if you fuck up the head you might just get a sad sputter vs a proper spray) and also that the system might just...fail. These things are designed to get X gpm out of Y heads and increasing Y means you might just run out of either pressure or water.

Is the club in a high rise? Since then yes there might be a specific water tank they have hooked up to the fire pump/sprinklers. If it's a one story stand alone, the sprinkler is hooked directly into the city underground and somehow I doubt they have enough fun juice to actually dose the entirety of Vegas' water supply.

I'd say see if the club has a fancy water mist sprayers/fog machines for ambiance.
 
I don't really have anything to say that hasn't been about Molly's current actions tbh.
But.
… if we're basically accounted as a free-holding lord anyways should we see about turning the station into a proper Manse, Exalted style? We'd probably need to go hunting for more resources like gossamer, but that would be… very helpful in the long run, even aside the empowerment it will give our dragon friend. Might be able to build a gate of Auspicious passage to our realm with that level of power access in the long run.
 
Power outage on my end. Catching up.
Yog said:
Arriving ahead of others, under ATP, and doing stuff to visitors of the club is just unnecessarily confrontational to SIlk, and is likely to cause friendly fire. We should warn them first.
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Dude, we are currently in a time critical situation. There is 30 minutes before a mass murder event starts.
Every minute now counts. Even the travel time to get to Club Xanadu matters; if we travel with the rest of the party, we are cutting our time from 30 minutes to 20 minutes.

Emergency response has no time to observe the niceties. Apologize later.



No it isnt.
Last time we used ATP, it actually apparently worked on the Archive.
And on the majority of the Fae at Avalon. Id trust it here.

Again, do recall that if they are going to bomb this place, they have had it on surveillance for days, if not weeks.
We do not want to arrive openly.
Artemis1992 said:
The club is run by a Rampire and a reasonably powerful mage.
They can deal with this by themelves if warned.
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No it isnt.
Silk has connections with one Rampire.
Thats it; according to her DFRPG char sheet, it helps her control her power(s).

Rampires have no hand in running the club, and no ownership. Else it wouldnt be a meeting place for human supernaturals.
Mortal supernaturals arent going to make themselves vulnerable in a place run by anthropophages.


And no they cant.
Its only been a couple weeks since the club almost got burned to the ground.
And we are already in a situation where alerting them might result in the bomb being set off early.

I mean, Sandra has been demonstrated to have mind control.
Can you tell me there is noone on the club staff that is currently reporting to her? Or a club regular with magic senses?
 
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Alratan said:
We should have time to do it. Presumably Sanctuary has rapid reaction forces in standby.
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VTOLs. Combat cyborgs. In a major US city in daylight.

You are proposing a Masquerade breach under circumstances where we would take the majority of the blame both in the supernatural and in the mundane. Less than 12 hours after we were involved in a televised incident on the Strip.
In a city where news copters are a thing. And less than 10 miles from a major USAF base.

Like @Yog said, an ongoing goal of the Bad Guys has been to stage a Masquerade breach under circumstances that worsen tensions. Id rather not do it for them.
Pass.

DragonParadox said:
Your agents are reasonably acclimated to Chicago, they speak English and understand the day to day cultural context of most things. Since they were selected to be spies they are also reasonably good at being inconspicuous. If you asked them to pretend to work for the US Government for instance they could make a decent attempt at it.
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In Chicago I would consider it.
In Las Vegas, a city we dont know and with a very different demographic profile, I wouldnt. Not in daylight, not after almost getting our face splashed across the national news because surprise RPG battle on the Strip.
 
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Ahsskco nooooo. Fire sprinklers are not activated by alarm, honestly precisely because the industry is in fact aware that false alarms are a thing. Theyre activated via pure thermo-mechanical action where the individual sprinkler gets activated by heat. The only time when alarms come into play is for specific settings like server banks where you really really don't want to risk someone scraping the ceiling causing a bunch of water to come out where the system is set up so you need the mechanical actions AND a signal from the FACP to release water.

Also this means the sprinkler system should only shoot out water in the area where the heads are broken. Yeah someone could try and break everyone, but that means going around breaking everyone yourself (also if you fuck up the head you might just get a sad sputter vs a proper spray) and also that the system might just...fail. These things are designed to get X gpm out of Y heads and increasing Y means you might just run out of either pressure or water.
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We are explicitly told there was a recent fire incident. It was signposted.

Im assuming that the previous fire was staged precisely so Sandra's lot could get access to modify the fire sprinkler systems in the aftermath. I suspect if you look, you'll find someone under her influence in the fire marshall's office, and whoever was contracted to refurbish the fire sprinkler system after the last fire.

There's essentially no other way I can think of to mass deploy VX in an indoor environment.
Sarin is easier to weaponize, and even that is hard, as the Japanese death cult Aum Shinrikyo will attest to when they tried to murder a couple packed train carriages full of people during rush hour in 1995 and only killed 13.

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Is the club in a high rise? Since then yes there might be a specific water tank they have hooked up to the fire pump/sprinklers. If it's a one story stand alone, the sprinkler is hooked directly into the city underground and somehow I doubt they have enough fun juice to actually dose the entirety of Vegas' water supply.

I'd say see if the club has a fancy water mist sprayers/fog machines for ambiance.
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Club Xanadu is canonically located in a standalone building, but it isnt a one-story.
I quote:
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On Industrial Road, a stately pleasure-dome rises from the midst of a street corner filled with burned-out tenements and abandoned commercial zoning. The neighborhood seems unable to claim it—it stands in stubborn defiance of the surrounding decay. At noon, the glittery mosaic plating and faux gold statuary catch the sun to blinding effect—a feature that, now that I see it with new eyes, makes an excellent defense against vampires.

Inside, Club Xanadu is plush and oversexed, all velvet, marble, and dark wood. Its geometry is all curves, and it's divided up into several lounges or rooms that patrons can leave open or subdivide as they desire, creating large party spaces or a series of segmented, more intimate settings. Many of the rooms have stages for your standard stripper routine, while others look like a particular fantasy locale—the Catholic private school, the library, the doctor's office, the dungeon, the cosplay room, the...

Wait, I'm forgetting, you're probably not from here. Let me back up. Xanadu is a fetish club, where discerning adults pay a private membership to meet and have sex in ways they may not be equipped to have at home. You rent the various rooms as availability or appointment permits, for whatever activities you want. Management prohibits alcohol on premises, though they allow the use of aphrodisiacs and opiates.

Inside the doors, anything goes so long as there's consent between the participants. Aside from the front lobby, clothing is optional unless otherwise specified by the rules of that particular room—in other words, sometimes it's prohibited. Sometimes, they have live entertainment—I shall leave the scope of that to your imagination.

The layout is carefully designed to scatter magical energies around, making it difficult for all but the most disciplined to make a focused display of power inside. Thus, it has a secondary function as a safe(r) haven for an assortment of people from all over the spectrum of empowered life. The proprietor, Silk, gives free memberships to anyone who displays a supernatural talent and she consistently reserves some of Xanadu's rooms for that crowd.

Kenneth Mayeda wants to take over the place so badly, he envisions it in his dreams
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According to Google Maps?
Its a 17 minute drive from the Luxor Casino and Hotel to Industrial Road, where Club Xanadu is.
Round that up to 20 minutes to account for just getting out of hotel parking.

Its around 30 minutes before they set off the device.
If we drive, we're going to spend most of our time in transit.
 
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There are three different versions of @Yog's plan going right now. This is why I wish people would name vote, or just use the plan name when they vote, instead of copy/pasting the entire thing. Plans get tweaked all the time.

[X] uju32
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jan 27, 2024 at 6:10 PM, finished with 71 posts and 10 votes.
  • [X] Plan Trachops cirrhosus
    -[X] Alert others
    -[X] Have Clippy pull up Frankie Lewis's records to use as a focus to learn the ingress route for the attack
    -[X] Phone Silk
    --[X] Subterfuge and/or Leadership excellency, Empathy excellency
    --[X] start discrete evacuation
    --[X] plan an ambush for the attackers with forces available
    --[X] Ask for discrete approach routes, so you aren't observed by the attackers' lookouts
    -[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    --[X] Call the Library of Congress to alert them about a masquerade breaching planned attack, and so they start preemptive cover-up
    [X] Plan Trachops cirrhosus
    -[X] Alert others in our party
    --[X] Have Lash give herself and them protection against nerve agents
    -[X] Crown questions
    --[X] Have Clippy pull up Frankie Lewis's records to use as a focus to learn the ingress routes for the attack
    --[X] If part of the answer is "agents already present on the scene", use Club Xanadu's website or photo to learn how the infiltrators look
    -[X] Contact people
    --[X] Phone Silk
    ---[X] Subterfuge and/or Leadership excellency, Empathy excellency
    ---[X] start discrete evacuation
    ---[X] plan an ambush for the attackers with forces available
    ----[X] If the crown questions revealed presence of infiltrators, give their descriptions to Silk
    ---[X] Ask for discrete approach routes, so you aren't observed by the attackers' lookouts
    ---[X] Disable sprinklers
    --[X] Call the Library of Congress to alert them about a masquerade breaching planned attack, and so they start preemptive cover-up
    --[X] Write a note to Archive
    -[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    --[X] If there are infiltrators, Molly goes ahead with RVD, and uses ATP inside to get rid of them, after warning Silk
    [X]Plan Waterbender
    -[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    -[X] Crown Question: Focus Frankie's phone no: Where and how does his group intend to deploy this weapon?: 1m
    -[X] Brief party, then go ahead of them via RVD. Activate ATP in club
    -[X] HMP security cameras, then have cyberdevils look through video history
    -[X] Charm Effects
    --[X] Rendered Villain Dispersal + All Things Betray + 1 temp WP for autosux to emerge in club via the water system: 1m, 1wp
    --[X] Anonymity Through Propriety: 1m
    --[X] HMP security cameras: 1m
    [X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    [X] Phone Silk to evacuate the club right now
    -[X] You can't let these distractions make you loose sight of the real threat. Track down Sandra right now, using available Crown-foci to find her current location, if need be her new location after she moved on.
    [X] Plan Trachops cirrhosus
    -[X] Alert others in our party
    --[X] Have Lash give herself and them protection against nerve agents
    -[X] Crown questions
    --[X] Have Clippy pull up Frankie Lewis's records to use as a focus to learn the ingress routes for the attack
    --[X] If part of the answer is "agents already present on the scene", use Club Xanadu's website or photo to learn how the infiltrators look
    -[X] Contact people
    --[X] Phone Silk
    ---[X] Subterfuge and/or Leadership excellency, Empathy excellency
    ---[X] start discrete evacuation
    ---[X] plan an ambush for the attackers with forces available
    ----[X] If the crown questions revealed presence of infiltrators, give their descriptions to Silk
    ---[X] Ask for discrete approach routes, so you aren't observed by the attackers' lookouts
    ---[X] Disable sprinklers
    --[X] Call the Library of Congress to alert them about a masquerade breaching planned attack, and so they start preemptive cover-up
    --[X] Write a note to Archive
    -[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    --[X] If there are infiltrators, Molly goes ahead with RVD, and uses ATP inside to get rid of them, after warning Silk
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Above all else we need to know how they are planning to disperse the chemical agent. I don't want to ride with the rest since it'll take longer and I don't want to contact the LOC over this either. Not much prep they can even do with only 30 or so minutes of prior warning.

What is the note to the Archive for? Is it to inform her that an Outsider plot is going to effectively glass(sand) America in only a few days? Because we really should've told her that before now. I'm not sure why we didn't. I recall it being brought up too... was it really that we just forgot?
 
BoredMan said:
Above all else we need to know how they are planning to disperse the chemical agent. I don't want to ride with the rest since it'll take longer and I don't want to contact the LOC over this either. Not much prep they can even do with only 30 or so minutes of prior warning.
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Finding out how is as simple as using Frankie's phone number as a focus, like in my vote.
Or showing up at the club, looking at a random person there and using them as a focus to determine how the person who wants to gas them is trying to deliver the agent.

As long as we have the Essence for Crown questions, we can actually use them to narrow down the threat vector.
And a situation like this justifies their use.

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What is the note to the Archive for? Is it to inform her that an Outsider plot is going to effectively glass(sand) America in only a few days? Because we really should've told her that before now. I'm not sure why we didn't. I recall it being brought up too... was it really that we just forgot?
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I dont know why people want to write a note to the Archive. Its not like she doesnt already know.
Just like every major supernatural Power that has people watching the news by now has noticed Ms Green Fire show up in news reports from Las Vegas.


What was she supposed to do?
How much is she even allowed to do, especially with the Solar/Abyssal factor that was in the mix?
Is she even allowed in Las Vegas? There were old treaties and agreements in play, else Winter would already be in here.


Not everything she does is obvious.
I mean, do recall she has access to nuclear codes. She might be one of the backup plans if everything goes to shit and the Fae Courts cant intervene ahead of time.
 
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uju32 said:
I dont know why people want to write a note to the Archive. Its not like she doesnt already know.
Just like every major supernatural Power that has people watching the news by now has noticed Ms Green Fire show up in news reports from Las Vegas.


What was she supposed to do?
How much is she even allowed to do, especially with the Solar/Abyssal factor that was in the mix?
Is she even allowed in Las Vegas? There were old treaties and agreements in play.


Not everything she does is obvious.
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Sandra is in cahoots with Outsiders who may know how the Archive works and informed her. The Archive might know that something is going on but not the severity of it due to precautions taken.

Um... Come help us stop a superpower from getting glassed and possibly hit by an Outsider invasion? This seems like her exact job description. I'm not buying that the Archive has to stay out of Vegas when a high-profile Outsider outbreak is due in a few days. She stays out of politics and in exchange they let her do her job. She's supposed to stop that sort of thing from happening not just react after the fact. You're making it sound like she's fucking useless, and if the Archive can't be involved in stopping the Outsider outbreak we need to know why. Better to not assume she just knows everything when there are ways around her sight or that she knows what written text takes precedence over some other text when context may not always be present. She should have our contact information if she can't be here or is already helping out somehow, she could say.
 
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Sandra is in cahoots with Outsiders who may know how the Archive works and informed her. The Archive might know that something is going on but not the severity of it due to precautions taken.

Um... Come help us stop a superpower from getting glassed and possibly hit by an Outsider invasion? This seems like her exact job description. I'm not buying that the Archive has to stay out of Vegas when a high-profile Outsider outbreak is due in a few days. She stays out of politics and in exchange they let her do her job. She's supposed to stop that sort of thing from happening not just react after the fact. You're making it sound like she's fucking useless, and if the Archive can't be involved in stopping the Outsider outbreak we need to know why. Better to not assume she just knows everything when there are ways around her sight or that she knows what written text takes precedence over some other text when context may not always be present. She should have our contact information if she can't be here or is already helping out somehow, she could say.
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1) Ivy knew beforehand we were thinking of coming here.
When Michael sent her a message about the Summer Court problem, he did it on a Vegas postcard.
Its entirely plausible that she considers it handled when the godkiller was sent to the city.

Hell, its entirely possible that part of the reason Molly got sent here, instead of any of a half dozen other possible options, was because Ivy had a quiet word with Mab.

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2)The Archive has limits about what its allowed to do. It doesnt just go gallivanting about the place.
You didnt see it in Chicago when a bunch of Kemmlerites were about to blow up the city to incarnate a god either. Or in Central Africa when the Red Court used a chemical weapon on the city there.

The Archive's official, public role is to be a backup for human civilization and a neutral party for the Accords.
Its role in the Oblivion War and Outsider wrangling is secret. Deep black classification.
Canon Dresden doesnt know and he's one of Ivy's only friends.

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3)Its also Winter's job, and yet Winter cant send a kill team into Vegas, despite knowing that Sandra was here.
And despite Maeve really, really wanting a piece of her.
There are Rules and treaties going back into prehistory, which was when the Sin-Eater was allegedly summoned.

That the Infernal Exalt is not bound by them doesnt mean noone else is.
 
This one is late but I wasn't satisfied with either vote, so I consolidated. Can't have a more detailed plan without that Crown question, so I'll vote for uju's aswell.

[X] Plan Make Ready
-[X] Crown Question: Focus Frankie's phone no: Where and how does his group intend to deploy this weapon?
-[X] Phone Silk
--[X] Subterfuge and/or Leadership excellency
--[X] Let her know the details of the planned assault.
--[X] If the crown question revealed the presence of infiltrators, give their descriptions to Silk
-[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
--[X] Brief party, then go ahead of them via RVD.
--[X] Have Lash give herself and them protection against nerve agents
 
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[X] Plan Trachops cirrhosus
-[X] Alert others
-[X] Have Clippy pull up Frankie Lewis's records to use as a focus to learn the ingress route for the attack
-[X] Phone Silk
--[X] Subterfuge and/or Leadership excellency, Empathy excellency
--[X] start discrete evacuation
--[X] plan an ambush for the attackers with forces available
--[X] Ask for discrete approach routes, so you aren't observed by the attackers' lookouts
-[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
--[X] Call the Library of Congress to alert them about a masquerade breaching planned attack, and so they start preemptive cover-up
 
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1) Hadn't considered this angle. If this is the case, then us giving her an info dump is like saying we can't handle it even though we do still have a few days left to pull it off.

2) I don't recall either of those instances having anything to do with an imminent Outsider invasion but yeah, I did forget how public her full role is.

3) Meave had told us the reasoning for them not bothering with Vegas. I don't believe it's because of some agreement made with the Dragon or otherwise, they just don't want to send assets to get Sandra at risk of coming into conflict with the Dragon and gaining an extra front if they do deal with him.

Unless there is something in the rpg, there is nothing of rules or treaties stopping Winter-
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"You wish. No this was something from Outside, a being, a pathway, maybe both, Those old medicine men knew enough to be afraid for their lives and souls, for the lives and souls of their children and grandchildren unborn. So they called up a spirit of darker sort a sin eater and they bid it to hold the gate shut, bidding it to devour the unworthy who came close."

"There is a sin eater under Las Vegas?" you ask with dawning understanding, and not a little horror.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 12/15 (Occult Excellency)

"Yeah, turns out holding fast the gates of madness can't be done on the strength of eating the odd shifty wanderer forever. Back in 1905 the spirit started getting antsy, get weary maybe. He offered old bat ears a bargain: power, wealth, blood and sex, the works if he would help build a city of sin to feed it into the spirits black heart. Yeah, that's right, middle aged execs blowing their kids' college funds on coke and call girls have been keeping one of the backdoors of reality safe. 'Just one more round of blackjack,' they cried and the world got to keep spinning one more day." Maeve giggles."The Dragon's a cup-bearer, no more and no less, but it gives him great power in his domain, enough that it would be difficult to shift him and even if we did..."

"Your prize would be brand new front, assuming the changeover would even work out cleanly," you finish mind whirling with dark imaginings. "I assume you sent a message about what Sandra is." Truth be told you would not put it past Maeve to not have done that just so she would have her vengeance, but Mab has more sense than her daughter.

"The message has been sent, no answer has been received. Don't know what the old vamp of Vegas is playing at, but Sandra is still there and a Winter warband not be welcome to deal with her.
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It's only letting me vote for one plan for some reason? :facepalm: Fuck it whatever.
[X]Plan Waterbender
 
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BoredMan said:
1) Hadn't considered this angle. If this is the case, then us giving her an info dump is like saying we can't handle it even though we do still have a few days left to pull it off.
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Like I said, its around 34 hours out. Almost a day and half.
For comparison, the events of Cold Days, when the Outsiders tried to invade Demonreach and where their success would have gutted North America, happened over about 2 days IIRC.

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2) I don't recall either of those instances having anything to do with an imminent Outsider invasion but yeah, I did forget how public her full role is.
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I mean, see Cold Days.
Dresden was told that if the prison of Demonreach was breached, the explosive failsafes on the island would gut the US Midwest.
Cold Days chapter 17 said:
My little island paradise was about to explode with enough energy to cook dark gods and Lord only knew what else hanging around under the island. That meant we were talking about a release of energy in the gigaton range. And if I didn't stop someone from doing it, the continental shelf was about to have a very bad day.
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There was a literal army of Outsiders with supporting mortal cultists, led by Sharkface/He Who Walks Before, leading an open amphibious assault. The Archive didnt show up. Didnt send a message. Didnt actively intervene.
Apocalyptic consequences do not necessarily mean she has to show up.

If the Archive, or the people who created it five thousand plus years ago, treaty bound it not to intervene in a particular area and it does, it calls into question every other deal or promise it has made.
And it cant afford that.
BoredMan said:
3) Meave had told us the reasoning for them not bothering with Vegas. I don't believe it's because of some agreement made with the Dragon or otherwise, they just don't want to send assets to get Sandra at risk of coming into conflict with the Dragon and gaining an extra front if they do deal with him.

Unless there is something in the rpg, there is nothing of rules or treaties stopping Winter-
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Maeve told us what she knows. What she believes. And Maeve cant lie, not when she is free from Nemesis.

However, Maeve doesnt speak for Winter. Mab speaks for Winter.
And its IC for Mab to not let the right hand know what the left hand is doing, by withholding information or reframing it. She did it to both Maeve and Molly in canon, and to Dresden.

And its not just Mab that does it either; Titania witheld information from Lily in canon as well.
I would not bet anything valuable on Maeve knowing all, or even most of the reasons why her mother does what she does.
Let alone all the deals, debts and treaties that Winter has accumulated over long years.

BoredMan said:
It's only letting me vote for one plan for some reason? :facepalm: Fuck it whatever.
[X]Plan Waterbender
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Thats odd.
*checks*
Ah. You should have checked the settings.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Jan 27, 2024 at 11:37 PM, finished with 83 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Plan Trachops cirrhosus
    -[X] Alert others
    -[X] Have Clippy pull up Frankie Lewis's records to use as a focus to learn the ingress route for the attack
    -[X] Phone Silk
    --[X] Subterfuge and/or Leadership excellency, Empathy excellency
    --[X] start discrete evacuation
    --[X] plan an ambush for the attackers with forces available
    --[X] Ask for discrete approach routes, so you aren't observed by the attackers' lookouts
    -[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    --[X] Call the Library of Congress to alert them about a masquerade breaching planned attack, and so they start preemptive cover-up
    [X]Plan Waterbender
    -[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    -[X] Crown Question: Focus Frankie's phone no: Where and how does his group intend to deploy this weapon?: 1m
    -[X] Brief party, then go ahead of them via RVD. Activate ATP in club
    -[X] HMP security cameras, then have cyberdevils look through video history
    -[X] Charm Effects
    --[X] Rendered Villain Dispersal + All Things Betray + 1 temp WP for autosux to emerge in club via the water system: 1m, 1wp
    --[X] Anonymity Through Propriety: 1m
    --[X] HMP security cameras: 1m
    [X] Plan Trachops cirrhosus
    -[X] Alert others in our party
    --[X] Have Lash give herself and them protection against nerve agents
    -[X] Crown questions
    --[X] Have Clippy pull up Frankie Lewis's records to use as a focus to learn the ingress routes for the attack
    --[X] If part of the answer is "agents already present on the scene", use Club Xanadu's website or photo to learn how the infiltrators look
    -[X] Contact people
    --[X] Phone Silk
    ---[X] Subterfuge and/or Leadership excellency, Empathy excellency
    ---[X] start discrete evacuation
    ---[X] plan an ambush for the attackers with forces available
    ----[X] If the crown questions revealed presence of infiltrators, give their descriptions to Silk
    ---[X] Ask for discrete approach routes, so you aren't observed by the attackers' lookouts
    ---[X] Disable sprinklers
    --[X] Call the Library of Congress to alert them about a masquerade breaching planned attack, and so they start preemptive cover-up
    --[X] Write a note to Archive
    -[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    --[X] If there are infiltrators, Molly goes ahead with RVD, and uses ATP inside to get rid of them, after warning Silk
    [X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
    [X] Phone Silk to evacuate the club right now
    -[X] You can't let these distractions make you loose sight of the real threat. Track down Sandra right now, using available Crown-foci to find her current location, if need be her new location after she moved on.
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Artemis1992 said:
No, not at all.

We are immune to any harm done by liquids to us.

In fact, thanks to Charred Sinner Renewal we heal while swimming in poison.
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TonedMite said:
Oh. Right. How did I forget that? Would be both amusing and horrifying if they did try that.
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It's a little tricker than that. Molly is immune to any harm an aquatic environment might do to her and exposure to toxins when she's completely submerged in them, but she isn't immune to poison or venom in a general sense. Fathomless Poison Haven is the charm that would do that.

Technically Molly could be standing hip deep in boiling oil without issue and someone deliberately spraying her would deal damage.

Plus side, FPH doesn't care in the least about intent.

Edit: should have finished catching up before replying.
 
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