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Mostly right. There is another charm for complete immunity to liquids so I assume Charred Sinner Renewal has some limits. Maybe something like only working on environmental liquids?
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The limits are you have to be submerged for it to trigger.
I just spent time looking this over.
No, not all pipes carry water all the time; only some sprinkler systems do so.
And apparently yes you can remotely activatate fire sprinklers, at least in commercial buildings.
Thats part of the point of having a fire control panel.
Fire alarm control panel - Wikipedia
Industry standards in the early 2000s appears to be a lot more advanced than many people give it credit for.
No it isnt. Its VX. Dump it in the water tank so it dissolves evenly, then activate the sprinker system
Dunno if you've seen the Constantine movie, but this is essentially what you should be thinking of:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1G4waX9G0k
Note the water reservoir that the Shia LeBoeuf character dumped a consecrated item into first.
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No you cant. Its VX.
I wasnt kidding when I said it was difficult to weaponize; its a heavy liquid that vaporizes as slowly as motor oil.
VX: Exposure, Decontamination, Treatment | Chemical Emergencies | CDC
Learn basic facts about VX exposure, decontamination, and treatment.
www.cdc.gov
There's a reason why baby's first nerve gas agent for both nationstates and terrorist organizations is usually sarin.
Thats significantly easier to use as a weapon.
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- Location
- Germany
Also, boiling see mastery makes us immune to any environmental hazards while submerged.
So that kinda doubles up.
- Location
- Estonia
[X] Yog
I was hesitant about alerting the establishment, because should the chemical already be on site, then the cultists might trigger the attack early upon witnessing an evacuation, but if it's where the supernatural hang out and is In The Know, then it might be more ready for something like this.
Best case scenario the chemical is still on route or the trigger guy is a suicide thrall that can't do initiative.
I was hesitant about alerting the establishment, because should the chemical already be on site, then the cultists might trigger the attack early upon witnessing an evacuation, but if it's where the supernatural hang out and is In The Know, then it might be more ready for something like this.
Best case scenario the chemical is still on route or the trigger guy is a suicide thrall that can't do initiative.
[X] Yog
This is exactly why I am using the Crown to check for ingress routes of the attack.
TLF for 1 mote just renders us immune to environmental damage. Also, if the attack is triggered, then TTC with TLF triggered for protecting everyone from environmental attack + BSM from being wet should allow us to just neutralize the gas effects.
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[X]Plan Waterbender
-[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
-[X] Crown Question: Focus Frankie's phone no: Where and how does his group intend to deploy this weapon?: 1m
-[X] Brief party, then go ahead of them via RVD. Activate ATP in club
-[X] HMP security cameras, then have cyberdevils look through video history
-[X] Charm Effects
--[X] Rendered Villain Dispersal + All Things Betray + 1 temp WP for autosux to emerge in club via the water system: 1m, 1wp
--[X] Anonymity Through Propriety: 1m
--[X] HMP security cameras: 1m
Changes
-4m
-1wp
+2m(Crown question, secret)
Active Effects
All Things Betray: -3DC to all Perception rolls. + Perception to Initiative. Active
Current Status
14/15 Health
8/9 WP
12/15m Essence
RATIONALE
Plan A: Stop the nerve gas being deployed.
Plan B: Activate shintai and freeze the VX so it cant be deployed
It takes 10 minutes for the party to get to the club via road.
It takes Molly less than 10 seconds via RVD; just duck into the water pipes and emerge in the water pipes of Club Xanadu.
Probably in the bathroom, next to a toilet cistern. Or could be in the kitchens.
Activate Anonymity Through Propriety; allows her to walk unseen in the club.
If the conspirators cant see/sense Molly, then her showing up at the club wont make them trigger the device prematurely, and she'll have time to look around.
HMP security cameras because regardless of result, we dont want to end up on the security camera records on the same day when someone is trying to use a chemical weapon on a club. We already made national news last night.
And it will help us look for clues by checking who previously showed up.
Use a Crown question on Frankie's phone number to tell us how they are intending to poison the club.
I think its via the water sprinklers, but it would be nice to confirm it.
At worst, when we get to the club, we can use the club's patrons as Crown foci regarding the impending attack.
[X]Plan Waterbender
-[X] Go there with the others, you need to stop the attackers, otherwise you will have Old One cultists with bloody nerve agents loose in Vegas and no idea where they will go next
-[X] Crown Question: Focus Frankie's phone no: Where and how does his group intend to deploy this weapon?: 1m
-[X] Brief party, then go ahead of them via RVD. Activate ATP in club
-[X] HMP security cameras, then have cyberdevils look through video history
-[X] Charm Effects
--[X] Rendered Villain Dispersal + All Things Betray + 1 temp WP for autosux to emerge in club via the water system: 1m, 1wp
--[X] Anonymity Through Propriety: 1m
--[X] HMP security cameras: 1m
Changes
-4m
-1wp
+2m(Crown question, secret)
Active Effects
All Things Betray: -3DC to all Perception rolls. + Perception to Initiative. Active
Current Status
14/15 Health
8/9 WP
12/15m Essence
RATIONALE
Plan A: Stop the nerve gas being deployed.
Plan B: Activate shintai and freeze the VX so it cant be deployed
It takes 10 minutes for the party to get to the club via road.
It takes Molly less than 10 seconds via RVD; just duck into the water pipes and emerge in the water pipes of Club Xanadu.
Probably in the bathroom, next to a toilet cistern. Or could be in the kitchens.
Activate Anonymity Through Propriety; allows her to walk unseen in the club.
If the conspirators cant see/sense Molly, then her showing up at the club wont make them trigger the device prematurely, and she'll have time to look around.
HMP security cameras because regardless of result, we dont want to end up on the security camera records on the same day when someone is trying to use a chemical weapon on a club. We already made national news last night.
And it will help us look for clues by checking who previously showed up.
Use a Crown question on Frankie's phone number to tell us how they are intending to poison the club.
I think its via the water sprinklers, but it would be nice to confirm it.
At worst, when we get to the club, we can use the club's patrons as Crown foci regarding the impending attack.
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Arriving ahead of others, under ATP, and doing stuff to visitors of the club is just unnecessarily confrontational to SIlk, and is likely to cause friendly fire. We should warn them first.
I really wish we'd put some assets of the ground at Club Xanadu, or had some airborne on overwatch right now.
We've repeatedly needlessly handicapped ourselves by refusing to use the vast majority of our assets.
Why are we continuing to do so?
For example, the best way to deploy VX gas is with something like a crop sprayer, either a light aircraft on people after triggering an evacuation onto the street, or simply by sending people in with tanks on their backs.
These are things that having some people on the ground with the right equipment would massively help defend against
My suggestion would be to travel through the water system to get there quickly, pull some cyber commandos there to defend the place, and then immediately go off and hit Sandra while she thinks we're about to be distracted.
The current plans are to completely surrender the initiative to her.
We've repeatedly needlessly handicapped ourselves by refusing to use the vast majority of our assets.
Why are we continuing to do so?
For example, the best way to deploy VX gas is with something like a crop sprayer, either a light aircraft on people after triggering an evacuation onto the street, or simply by sending people in with tanks on their backs.
These are things that having some people on the ground with the right equipment would massively help defend against
My suggestion would be to travel through the water system to get there quickly, pull some cyber commandos there to defend the place, and then immediately go off and hit Sandra while she thinks we're about to be distracted.
The current plans are to completely surrender the initiative to her.
- Location
- Germany
My plan is simply to call to evacuate the club and go after her personally.
We don't have to play by her rules.
Any plans her thralls are up to can be stopped easier once she is dead or captured, so we should prioritize that over running after her latest plots like a donkey behind a carrot.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Uh @DragonParadox are Slashers a thing in this setting? Either as something that already exists or something that can be created?
Cause the Nightmare/Leonid Kravos from Grave Peril already has the Undertaking of a new Legend so I'm asking if we should keep an eye on these. Specifically because Sandra is currently showing all the telltale signs of a Genius turning into a Maniac. As in when she got Molly trapped in Arctis Tor she was acting like a Genius and this Las Vegas gig has her fully turning from a Ripper into a Scourge and becoming a Maniac.
Cause the Nightmare/Leonid Kravos from Grave Peril already has the Undertaking of a new Legend so I'm asking if we should keep an eye on these. Specifically because Sandra is currently showing all the telltale signs of a Genius turning into a Maniac. As in when she got Molly trapped in Arctis Tor she was acting like a Genius and this Las Vegas gig has her fully turning from a Ripper into a Scourge and becoming a Maniac.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Slashers are Chronicles of Darkness/Hunter the Vigil so I wouldn't count on it.
No, that does not specifically exist. As to what Sandra is... well think Sponsored magician where the sponsor is Friends on the Other Side. As for the mechanics of her actions it could be a whole host of reasons, she could be a true believes who thinks that the age of the Old Ones should come again, she could be a solipist, someone tho wants to quote the Book of Madness to 'Eat the Leviathan' and thereby become God, she could be the enjoy of another higher (lower?) power or she could be acting on her own, she might have no plan beyond releasing the thing on the other side of the gate or she might be part of a plan centuries in the making with centuries more to go.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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That is not a no on the can it be created in this setting part of the question.
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I want to use NWS on Sandra and see if we can break her by talking. It would be an unusual case of us actually using a dark Infernal charm as intended by the maker.
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Sorry, overlooked your plan. Apologies.
We will need to go on the offensive immediately after, so no Charon talk, and no actually visiting the guy we talked with (the university one) - that's a bust. But we do need to stop a mass causality event.
- Location
- Germany
The club is run by a Rampire and a reasonably powerful mage.
They can deal with this by themelves if warned.
The major problem with that is aerosolized nerve gas in a public area rather than this particular Club being important it's just that it being hit by a nerve gas and then the nerve gas spreading out along the ground from this major building in the strip could lead to hundreds if not thousands of people dying so ensuring that it doesn't happen at all is vitally important.
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- Germany
Not nearly as important as stopping Sandra's actual plans, which involve the death of millions if the Outsider going free is part of the plan.
If we react to this there's a good chance we do where she wants us to be. After all we would have gone to Xanadu for more leads and foci after a successful poisoning there anyway.
Hunting her takes priority, two decenhly powerful supernaturals should be able to defend their own home turf from attacks like this when warned.
Those deaths are probably how she's playing to kill the sin eater. This is speculation so stick with me here the sin eater has been feasting on sin in Vegas for the last century now. There is no investment in a human that leaves them human that can leave them capable of fighting that on its turf at very least not without wizardly advantages of picking time place and how. The death of hundreds of people directly above the center strip of Vegas where probably the sin eater sits is directly helpful even if it's just to empower Sandra so she can kill the sin eater.
Now this could be a false flag operation but we know the timing for her ritual or whatever she's planning still isn't for another 30 I think hours from now. So she could try to move up the timetable but moving up a timetable on a being like a sin eater that's been glut on sin the last century seems like a bad idea.
I am all for killing Sandra and getting to her as soon as possible but this seems like something that if it goes off it's going to make killing Sandra possibly impossible. Because the blood sacrifices of hundreds of people through nerve gas seems like a good way to have power equivalent to an Celestial exalt at least for a Time.
Excluding all of that because it is speculation. If we can acquire that liquid nerve agent we can use it without any risk of injury to us and Sandra's got a lot of Pawns willing Pawns who are trying to help kill millions of people and then possibly billions more as the economy of the entire planet collapses. So if we get it and it was a false flag operation well we have canisters of liquid nerve agent.
That we can immediately put to use in ways that don't get hundreds or thousands of civilians killed and because it's deadly on just skin contact we can literally dunk our telekinetic hands in it and just fling it at them and then watch them keel over screaming in Agony like they wanted to do to regular people instead of just killing themselves like they should have if they want to end the world.
Then we do so by pulling in a squad of cyber commandos or, even better Sutra possessed tanks and VTOL ground attack craft (as they're people) and then bugging out. I strongly doubt that Sandra's minions are ready to deal with the equivalent of a couple of Apaches in the air and Bradley IFVs on the ground, all with supernatural senses and their own magical powers.
We don't have to hand around personally to deal with it, we can move right to hunting them down.
And if the people of LA notice. So what? The government can cover it up.
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The attackers anticipated rampires being present, and likely mages too.
We don't have time to do that, and our possible agents don't have acclimatization training to operate in this environment. Most of them probably don't know the language even.